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Derek 22-11-2010 11:19

Scottish refs vote to strike
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/9214212.stm

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Fixtures in Scotland face possible postponement next weekend after Category One referees voted to strike.
Scottish match officials are upset with the avalanche of flak that has come their way this season.
BBC Scotland has learned that officials are concerned that their integrity is constantly being questioned by some clubs and individuals.
Congratulations Celtic, you've ensured that the massive conspiracy against you (except the games you've won of course) gets maximum exposure as it won't be the football people are talking about next weekend.

TheDaddy 22-11-2010 12:55

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35125832)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/9214212.stm



Congratulations Celtic, you've ensured that the massive conspiracy against you (except the games you've won of course) gets maximum exposure as it won't be the football people are talking about next weekend.

Yeah Celtic how dare you feel persecuted after having people like Jim Farry and Bobby Tait running and officiating the game up there :rolleyes:

Derek 22-11-2010 13:48

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So its all the fault of someone who is dead and a referee that retired 12 years ago.

I knew tinfoil was in high demand in the east end of Glasgow but assumed it was the heroin and not to fashion hats with.

vanman 22-11-2010 13:57

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so why dont they get some english referee to do the job
or will they be called scabs.
not for being a ref but for being english :D

TheDaddy 22-11-2010 14:10

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35125926)
So its all the fault of someone who is dead and a referee that retired 12 years ago.

I knew tinfoil was in high demand in the east end of Glasgow but assumed it was the heroin and not to fashion hats with.

So the bigotry and bias died with Farry and retired with Tait then?

Derek 22-11-2010 14:19

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35125949)
So the bigotry and bias died with Farry and retired with Tait then?

I'd challenge the assumption that bigotry and bias existed with Farry and Tait for a start. Farry was a petty jobsworth but his handling of the Jorge Cadete affair was more to do with his interpretation of the rules rather than a hatred for celtic.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com...ace.5004457.jp

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Nothing supports the notion that Farry acted deliberately to hold up Cadete's registration out of "anti-Celtic" bias.
Even so a team with a largely catholic support moaning that a referee who happens to be a teacher of RE at a catholic school is against them just shows how paranoid they are.

Celtic (and Rangers) have always had a small unsavoury element in their support. In the last year or so the celtic minority have become more and more vocal and disturbing with the IRA supporting chants and songs, smoke flares, attacking of stewards and general hooliganism becoming more and more evident.

Their dispute of every decision that goes against them whilst mysteriously staying quiet on decisions in their favour isn't doing them any favours.

TheDaddy 22-11-2010 14:33

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35125956)
I'd challenge the assumption that bigotry and bias existed with Farry and Tait for a start. Farry was a petty jobsworth but his handling of the Jorge Cadete affair was more to do with his interpretation of the rules rather than a hatred for celtic.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com...ace.5004457.jp



Even so a team with a largely catholic support moaning that a referee who happens to be a teacher of RE at a catholic school is against them just shows how paranoid they are.

Celtic (and Rangers) have always had a small unsavoury element in their support. In the last year or so the celtic minority have become more and more vocal and disturbing with the IRA supporting chants and songs, smoke flares, attacking of stewards and general hooliganism becoming more and more evident.

Their dispute of every decision that goes against them whilst mysteriously staying quiet on decisions in their favour isn't doing them any favours.

Paranoid, when Tait openly boasts about never having given a penalty against Rangers and regularly attends Rangers supporters functions as an after dinner speaker, could all be legit I guess but tbh I would be asking questions to especially as this sort of thing has followed Scottish football for generations.

Derek 22-11-2010 14:37

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35125971)
Paranoid, when Tait openly boasts about never having given a penalty against Rangers and regularly attends Rangers supporters functions as an after dinner speaker

And retired 12 years ago...

Still I suppose it could all be a huge conspiracy with referees like Iain Brines wearing celtic tracksuits to training sessions just to throw people off the scent...

TheDaddy 22-11-2010 14:51

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35125974)
And retired 12 years ago...

Still I suppose it could all be a huge conspiracy with referees like Iain Brines wearing celtic tracksuits to training sessions just to throw people off the scent...

Doesn't really matter when he retired, as I said this sort of thing has been going on for generations, the strike gives the perfect opportunity to investigate all accusations independently and perhaps put them to bed for a while/ever.

Derek 22-11-2010 15:04

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35125986)
Doesn't really matter when he retired, as I said this sort of thing has been going on for generations, the strike gives the perfect opportunity to investigate all accusations independently and perhaps put them to bed for a while/ever.

It's only been going on for the generations when Celtic aren't winning. ;)

When they won 9 in a row were the masons deciding to give them a break?

Mysteriously the years they are on top there hasn't been a wholesale change of referees. Mistakes happen in football, thats a given. If you dwell on the mistakes against you whilst ignoring the ones in your favour then a section of your support will always jump on the conspiracy bandwagon.

Derek 22-11-2010 17:55

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Looks like the games might go ahead with foreign refs.

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The Scottish Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan will source match officials from other countries to avert a referees' strike this weekend.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/9216271.stm

chill_fm 27-11-2010 12:58

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as a celtic supporter i am still disgusted of the ref who ref that ill match an got away with murder he is a lucky man; i cant seam 2 get my head around it why he has not been sack yet for breaking rules for LIEING, that game could of cost us the league for goals scored; on another note Dallas resign for being a bigot i have been hearing hearing he actually got the sack for gros misconduct if this the case why is that ref still in the ranks??

Derek 27-11-2010 13:06

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Originally Posted by chill_fm (Post 35128425)
as a celtic supporter i am still disgusted of the ref who ref that ill match an got away with murder he is a lucky man; i cant seam 2 get my head around it why he has not been sack yet for breaking rules for LIEING, that game could of cost us the league for goals scored; on another note Dallas resign for being a bigot i have been hearing hearing he actually got the sack for gros misconduct if this the case why is that ref still in the ranks??

And relax. :rolleyes:

Murder? I missed that. Assuming you are talking about the Dundee Utd game he actually got the penalty decision right but let's not let that get in the way of a witch hunt.

Bigot? He forwarded on a mildly amusing email of questionable taste, hardly bigoted. I assume in your wanting everyone sacked for bigotry you'd be happy for Neil Lennon to be fired for the time he called a rangers player a dirty orange *bleep*?

Anyway back to reality. Some games are going ahead with foreign refs, some have been binned due to the weather and in one of the games the fourth official is female so any injuries could see a top flight game ref'd by a woman for the first time ever. :)

chill_fm 27-11-2010 13:19

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the bigot for dallas its to do with email he made very sad comments about the pope

the penalty was a penalty the keeper got the player not the ball
linesman said it was that ill ref said no when he said yes



an if 1 of new refs make a mistake what's going 2 happen to them do they get the sack?

Derek 27-11-2010 13:26

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He (allegedly) forwarded on an email making comment on the Catholic church covering up child abuse. Similar jokes have been on Have I got news for you, the front cover of private eye and countless other forms of media.
Should everyone making jokes about religion be fired? Maybe you would like to answer my question about Lennon?

The penalty was a penalty? Not according to most journalists and the SFA is wasn't

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McDonald’s censure amounts to no more than being marked down for having awarded the penalty kick wrongly in the first place
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ted-match.html

chill_fm 27-11-2010 13:33

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as i said before if it was not a penalty
then why did he not book the player for diving

Hugh 27-11-2010 13:37

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Because it's not an either/or situation?

chill_fm 27-11-2010 13:48

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can sense why we cant attract any more big names to any of the clubs in spl
think the big spending days are over to be honest

Paul 27-11-2010 13:58

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Originally Posted by chill_fm (Post 35128448)
can sense why we cant attract any more big names to any of the clubs in spl
think the big spending days are over to be honest

Which has nothing to do with the thread subject, please stick to the topic.

chill_fm 27-11-2010 14:11

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35128453)
Which has nothing to do with the thread subject, please stick to the topic.

should of said off topic for that 1
sorry

Arthurgray50@blu 27-11-2010 14:31

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I fully support the referees for going on strike, I am a referee on Sunday, and yet l haven't done a game in months, simply due to the aggro you get from players, which is uncalled and l only get paid £30 per game.

I am certain that pro refs get a great deal more, there is a major problem in all football matches, what happened in Scotland is a disgrace, l saw this game and the ref was put under so much pressure from the Celtic players, and it didn't help when Lennon started slagging off the fourth official, clubs have to remember, without the refs, no one would get a game.

The SFA is a disgrace for bringing in scab refs, they should have taught the big babies, ie Celtic and Rangers, a lesson in respect to the officials and heavily fine them.

The SFA should hold the head in shame, that this aggro continues, remember its the League that controls football NOT the clubs.

Derek 27-11-2010 14:37

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35128467)
The SFA is a disgrace for bringing in scab refs, they should have taught the big babies, ie Celtic and Rangers, a lesson in respect to the officials and heavily fine them.

Rangers? I must have missed where they have had a go at referees and where rangers fans have assaulted refs and put their windows in.

chill_fm 27-11-2010 14:43

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wonder how many times rangers got away with extra minutes in a game when they should of been just 1 minute being added...

the extra refs from other countries is a joke to be honest we have plenty of good ref's in other division's an give them a change 2 ref a game in the spl
sfa is a joke an were still awaiting an answer from them

Derek 27-11-2010 14:46

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Originally Posted by chill_fm (Post 35128473)
wonder how many times rangers got away with extra minutes in a game when they should of been just 1 minute being added...

Oh please! Celtic are renouned for getting last minute winners or equalisers after suspiciously long periods of extra time.

Perhaps you'd care to give examples of times when Rangers have benefited from far longer on the clock than the officials have held up?

Hugh 27-11-2010 14:46

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35128471)
Rangers? I must have missed where they have had a go at referees and where rangers fans have assaulted refs and put their windows in.

I think you may have forgotten something, Derek.....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1290869177

Derek 27-11-2010 14:50

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:rofl:

chill_fm 27-11-2010 14:51

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35128475)
Oh please! Celtic are renouned for getting last minute winners or equalisers after suspiciously long periods of extra time.

Perhaps you'd care to give examples of times when Rangers have benefited from far longer on the clock than the officials have held up?

i wont go there we score in the last minute 89;
not 96mins or 97mins i wont go n2 deep debate on this matter but i no of the facts it happen an it did a lot

Derek 27-11-2010 14:58

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Originally Posted by chill_fm (Post 35128481)
i wont go there we score in the last minute 89;
not 96mins or 97mins i wont go n2 deep debate on this matter but i no of the facts it happen an it did a lot

:dozey:

It happened. I know it happened. I just won't give any evidence it did. :rolleyes:

Chris 27-11-2010 15:20

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35128467)
The SFA is a disgrace for bringing in scab refs

Get out of the 1970s, Arthur. If a Union chooses to take its ball and stomp off in a sulk, the management is entitled to go and find another ball.

The revolution, in case you hadn't noticed, didn't happen. Arthur Scargill and Red Robbo are not in Downing Street and life goes on as before.

Hugh 27-11-2010 15:22

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Originally Posted by chill_fm (Post 35128481)
i wont go there we score in the last minute 89;
not 96mins or 97mins i wont go n2 deep debate on this matter but i no of the facts it happen an it did a lot

Sure you are not talking about Man U?:D

TheDaddy 27-11-2010 17:37

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35128475)
Oh please! Celtic are renouned for getting last minute winners or equalisers after suspiciously long periods of extra time.

Perhaps you'd care to give examples of times when Rangers have benefited from far longer on the clock than the officials have held up?

Listening to phone ins and reading forum posts the consensus seems to be amongst other SPL supporters that both Celtic AND Rangers are given the majority of 50-50 decisions against the smaller teams and they are frankly sick of it, guess it's the same down here with the bigger teams like Man Utd.

The Luxembourg ref disallowed a Celtic goal today, part of a now global conspiracy perhaps :D

Derek 27-11-2010 17:42

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35128538)
Listening to phone ins and reading forum posts the consensus seems to be amongst other SPL supporters that both Celtic AND Rangers are given the majority of 50-50 decisions against the smaller teams and they are frankly sick of it, guess it's the same down here with the bigger teams like Man Utd.

The Luxembourg ref disallowed a Celtic goal today, part of a now global conspiracy perhaps :D

Bigger teams get more decisions going for them. I'd accept that 100%.

If you have 40-50 thousand fans screaming at you that you are wrong then of course your mind might be swayed.

Arthurgray50@blu 27-11-2010 19:05

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I suppose Rangers are all innocent then, they don't cuase any problems, they dont go banana's at decisions.

If you ask me most of the aggro in Scottish football is cuased by the big two, maybe they should allow the games to go ahead without officials, so they can beat the crap out of each other, with the hatred that goes on between each club.

Hugh 27-11-2010 19:29

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Oh, the irony.....

Derek 27-11-2010 19:35

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35128574)
If you ask me most of the aggro in Scottish football is cuased by the big two, maybe they should allow the games to go ahead without officials, so they can beat the crap out of each other, with the hatred that goes on between each club.

Have you ever watched an old firm match???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi5nkywjH-U

Arthurgray50@blu 27-11-2010 21:39

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Yes, l have been to TWO Old firm matches, and l will NEVER go again, l am married to a Glaswegion, And being a Londoner, it was disgusting, standing in the crowd and having urine running down your leg, from a fellow supporter stand near me, and standing in urine and the smell.

When you came out of the ground the fear of getting a smack from the foul language coming from rival fans, and l have been to Parkhead and Rangers grounds, when you go into the town Centre, the fear that you have to make sure where you look.

I have been invovled in aggro in the past, but that going to those game puts the fear in you, to show how bad it gets, l bought a Rangers shirt for a member of the member, he set fire to it. So you don't have to tell me anything about these clubs.

Derek 27-11-2010 21:57

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So no time in the last 15 years then...

Hugh 27-11-2010 22:02

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a) Glaswegian, not Glaswegion
b) and how long ago was this, Arthur? - it's been a while since people stood at football matches
c) what's a "member of the member"?

Mal 28-11-2010 00:16

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35128492)
Sure you are not talking about Man U?:D

The thing is, all this extra time is there for both teams to score, not just one. It's not Utd's fault if the other team stops at the 90th minute ;)

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35128647)
Yes, l have been to TWO Old firm matches, and l will NEVER go again, l am married to a Glaswegion, And being a Londoner, it was disgusting, standing in the crowd and having urine running down your leg, from a fellow supporter stand near me, and standing in urine and the smell.

Arthur, that sounds like you were unfortunate to be next to someone who didn't know the proper etiquette about close personal contact, not that that is a common ritual amongst Rangers fans (but after seeing the state they left Manchester in a few years ago, it may be correct ;) ).

Arthurgray50@blu 28-11-2010 18:42

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I have a strange feeling that some members don't people having a go at Celtic and Rangers clubs.

Both these clubs have troublesome fans, you only have to look at the disgraceful behaviour at the Celtic fans who were having a go a the Armed services, I have a great deal of repect for clubs who bring there players under control, and some of the games that l have been between these clubs, it is crunch all the way.


I thought Spurs / Arsenal games were bad, but my god.

Hugh 28-11-2010 19:30

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Some of the Celtic fans, Arthur, some of the Celtic fans........

(and in my opinion, totally disgusting behaviour - but that's just an ex-forces Glasgow Catholic's opinion)

Derek 28-11-2010 19:38

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Anyway away from the rights and wrongs of Old Firm fans the referee at the centre of all the controversy has 'retired'

Arthurgray50@blu 28-11-2010 22:55

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The respect that should be showed to officials of football matches is appalling in my view, and l am as much to blame, and l am a ref.

A major fault is that officials are not consistent enough, and an idea that the Stoke manager came up with, they should do to officials, as what happens with the clubs.
If the they don't perform, at the end of the season - relegate them to the lower leagues, but l believe the prem refs are run by a company, and the champ is run by the league, the same as scottish football - what does members think.


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