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gazfan 21-11-2010 23:01

Tablet Style devices
 
I thought about starting a thread regarding a particular tablet style device, but wondered whether a more general one would be more useful?

If the mods disagree then please advise?

The idea is that there are so many of these kind of devices becoming available this thread will be an opportunity to discuss them without having a separate thread for each one?

I'm thinking about kit like the Samsung Galaxy Tab, Dell Streak, Linx N700 & the Archos 101...

For example I was looking at the Linx N700 in Tesco, today for £299 & wondered, would it work with my bog standard tesco mobile 'value' payg sim card from my Nokia 3310?

Sasha222 22-11-2010 00:01

Re: Tablet Style devices
 
What is a tablet style device?

gazfan 22-11-2010 00:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by defirish (Post 35125728)
What is a tablet style device?

A device with a touch screen rather than a keyboard that can connect to the internet, play media, etc

- the Apple i-pad is one example.

- not quite correct, but one definition might be a smart phone with a bigger screen.

Sasha222 22-11-2010 00:27

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Ah right. Thanks for that explaination. If you can any chance of a link please so I can get the full picture of what it is if you dont mind?

gazfan 22-11-2010 00:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by defirish (Post 35125738)
Ah right. Thanks for that explaination. If you can any chance of a link please so I can get the full picture of what it is if you dont mind?

ok here is a link for the Linx N700

http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.210-2534.aspx

Sasha222 22-11-2010 00:41

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That looks really good. Wouldn't mind one of them myself ;)

Paul K 22-11-2010 05:22

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In theory I would expect it to work with a sim that has a data tariff and a data service available to it. I would be surprised if tesco were selling items that they couldn't bundle together to make even more money from customers lol

gazfan 22-11-2010 05:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 35125756)
In theory I would expect it to work with a sim that has a data tariff and a data service available to it. I would be surprised if tesco were selling items that they couldn't bundle together to make even more money from customers lol

LOL yes, good point :)

punky 22-11-2010 06:36

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I've got my hands on the Galaxy yesterday. Its size makes it a very expensive media player. Handy for the planes and video conferencing with Mrs Gaz when you're away.

If you are happy with the 7" size then the Linx looks good value with similar specs to the Galaxy but almost half the price.

For me though I think size does matter and so i'd go for the 10" Archos.

There are loads more coming so you might want to hang back and see what happens.

dilli-theclaw 22-11-2010 08:43

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I must admit I also like the look of the Archos 101.

Zing 22-11-2010 10:54

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I will be buying the Archos 101 but they are a little like rocking horse poop in the UK. The Dixons group had them listed in stock but then the website took them down. Everyone else is saying stock by the end of the month. I will be using my Galaxy S in wireless router mode when mobile so no need for a data package either which is cool

MovedGoalPosts 22-11-2010 11:22

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I've got a slightly eaarlier version Archos - the Internet Tablet 5. It does what it says on the tin ;) 500GB storage means you are never going to run out of stuff to watch, and it's a plenty big enough screen to view when your crammed into that aircraft seat, whilst still being able to fit in your pocket. Battery life does not get to the 7 hours video claimed even with the add on battery thing that is supposed to give 1.5 times the lifespan. Once I'd paid the extra for the add on codecs, I've not had a problem with playback of any content that I've acquired. Perhaps the only thing missing was the 3G support, but then most places you stay these days have wi-fi, so why do I need more mobility?

Personally, I want want of these things to have a decent level of storage for media. Most of these tablets are just not going to be big enough.

Zing 22-11-2010 11:25

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the Archos 101 has full USB support so if you were going somewhere you need more than its 8/16 gig internal and upto 32 gig microsdhc you could take a 2.5 inch external drive and use that

dilli-theclaw 22-11-2010 11:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35125868)
the Archos 101 has full USB support so if you were going somewhere you need more than its 8/16 gig internal and upto 32 gig microsdhc you could take a 2.5 inch external drive and use that

I just watched a couple of youtube videos and it does look nice it must be said - and I like the hdmi connection :)

I did chuckle at the spelling mistake on the front of the first units though ;) the archos 101 internet table :)

punky 22-11-2010 11:57

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I didn't know Android handled external drives. That is smart.

BTW Advent (PC World own brand) are also doing their own tablet. 10" and around the £250 mark.

cookie_365 22-11-2010 16:56

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I'm also going to get a 10" Android tablet - can't see the point of the smaller sizes.

But I'm holding out until Spring to give the early adopters a chance to find the bugs :)

Hugh 22-11-2010 19:33

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I am getting a Toshiba Folio 10" on evaluation next week, hopefully - I will feedback my thoughts.

gazfan 23-11-2010 23:36

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Not strictly a 'tablet pc' but I thought it might be worth pointing out that I have tried internet access on my Kindle 3g in Italy, Holland & Denmark, recently - with no problems. OK it can be a bit slow & clunky, but for checking gmail & BBC news it has proved invaluable.

Paul K 24-11-2010 05:09

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Acer have just announced they are releasing a tablet early next year
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/23/a...droid-tablets/
Specs aren't bad either

punky 24-11-2010 06:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazfan (Post 35126823)
Not strictly a 'tablet pc' but I thought it might be worth pointing out that I have tried internet access on my Kindle 3g in Italy, Holland & Denmark, recently - with no problems. OK it can be a bit slow & clunky, but for checking gmail & BBC news it has proved invaluable.

Ooh, that's good.... Amazon said that 3G would only work in your home country except for the Kindle store and Wiki.

Zing 24-11-2010 13:08

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The Archos appears to be available at a couple of places if you use Google shopping search. I am a bit nervous though about using one of the lesser known outlets.

Anyone heard of simplyelectronics??

http://www.simplyelectronics.net/checkout.php

LSainsbury 24-11-2010 18:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35126998)
The Archos appears to be available at a couple of places if you use Google shopping search. I am a bit nervous though about using one of the lesser known outlets.

Anyone heard of simplyelectronics??

http://www.simplyelectronics.net/checkout.php

Do a whois - I would'nt touch 'em.

Zing 24-11-2010 19:04

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it says its hidden by contactprivacy I know nothing about it. They accept Google checkout and Paypal as well as standard card payments. Why does this concern you so much?

---------- Post added at 20:04 ---------- Previous post was at 20:03 ----------

Arrr Hotukdeals seems to be saying its hong kong .Guess I will have to see

Tezcatlipoca 25-11-2010 18:20

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I've just read up a bit on the Archos 101. Looks good. Bigger than the Galaxy Tab, but half the price.

I'm still waiting until next year, though, before I take the tablet plunge. iPad 2 will probably be announced in early-ish 2011, plus the Android tablets should have matured.

gazfan 26-11-2010 22:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 35126856)
Ooh, that's good.... Amazon said that 3G would only work in your home country except for the Kindle store and Wiki.

When I first got a Kindle 2 the 3G only worked in the UK with Wikipedia & Amazon Store - but worked fine in the USA, where I was able to access gmail & BBC news.

Then Amazon allowed 'switching' the device registration to the UK & it worked fine with full web access where-ever a 3G/edge signal was available.

That continued with the Kindle 3 - and I'm pleased to say has been functional in Italy, Denmark & Holland, so far, also.

In the context of the thread this functionality of the kindle does not (currently) incur any extra charges. Access to email, news, blogs, etc is completely free - whereas I would imagine a sim card in an android tablet, for example, would attract data charges - especially when roaming ???

I'm not suggesting a Kindle can 100% 'substitute' for a tablet device, but urge people to consider whether it might be functional enough for what they actually need, especially when travelling :)

punky 27-11-2010 21:05

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Now this is interesting...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/l...e/ntablet.html

Atom 1.6ghz
32gb SSD
3G connectivity
N WiFi
Multi-touch capacitive
Any OS

And for £349.

I'd like to know what brand it is underneath and the reviews but its impressive specced.

Zing 27-11-2010 21:13

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It wont run with any OS surely? there will have to be driver support and compatability to run the touchscreen.

Legally installing Windows 7 will take the price well over £400. There is another device out there of these spec running Andriod and Win 7 whats the betting its a bare one of those?

---------- Post added at 22:13 ---------- Previous post was at 22:12 ----------

http://www.which.co.uk/technology/co...ndroid-tablet/ perhaps this one for example

---------- Post added at 22:13 ---------- Previous post was at 22:13 ----------

http://www.which.co.uk/technology/co...ad-100-tablet/ actually it looks very much like the viewsonic

punky 27-11-2010 21:28

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Linux as well as Android are free.

Zing 27-11-2010 21:32

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Yeah but there is no garrentee any old distro will run. And unless it is the viewsonic a fully compatable Android would not have been written either and would in both instances require devs for that device I believe?

punky 27-11-2010 21:39

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the innerds of the device are standard netbook stuff so virtually any linux OS with a netbook variant will support it.

Reviews of the device mention Android so it is compatible. Reading between the lines the OS-less version seems to come with Android 2.2 by default. Then you add another OS and dual-boot.

It does look very similar to the ViewSonic and the Tega but cheaper.

Some people complain about the screen not being accurate but I think that's due to Windows not being built for touchscreen devices?

Zing 27-11-2010 21:49

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Win 7 is fully touch screen compliant iirc :-)

ZrByte 27-11-2010 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35128689)
Win 7 is fully touch screen compliant iirc :-)

It is compliant and capable right out of the box but the OS itself isn't really designed to be used by a touchscreen (small buttons etc and max 9 point callibration). I do have some experience with this on my Q1U, it gets a little tricky at times and i often end up using the built in joystick instead.

punky 27-11-2010 22:03

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What ZrByte said. Even XP had touch input drivers. Win7 comes with drivers pre-installed but it's still designed to be operated by a mouse. It's not the same as Android and other phone OSes where touch input is the sole method of input.

gazfan 27-11-2010 22:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 35128665)
Now this is interesting...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/l...e/ntablet.html

Atom 1.6ghz
32gb SSD
3G connectivity
N WiFi
Multi-touch capacitive
Any OS

And for £349.

I'd like to know what brand it is underneath and the reviews but its impressive specced.

That is interesting - I have a genuine Windows 7 Professional disk & the sim from a Vodaphone payg mobile 3G dongle that could be installed - thanks punky :)

<edit> it doesn't seem to have an 'ordinary' network cable (rj45) slot, which means a wireless router would be needed to connect to my 'home' network ... that is a big disadvantage, I much prefer a wired connection ??

punky 20-12-2010 22:11

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How class is this advert?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quI2I...layer_embedded

Ad i'm guessing it's not another Android one.

Acathla 20-12-2010 22:13

Re: Tablet Style devices
 
Motorola are rumored to be developing the first tablet for android 3.0 (Honeycomb)

Zing 20-12-2010 22:16

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so whats left? full linux or windows? Most likely windows dont you think? its gotta be something with some kinda app lib or as in the case of windows vast compatability with regular software. Anything with out app support will just crash and burn.

It could always be a rewritten android with better support for different features?

Stuart 20-12-2010 23:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 35128692)
What ZrByte said. Even XP had touch input drivers. Win7 comes with drivers pre-installed but it's still designed to be operated by a mouse. It's not the same as Android and other phone OSes where touch input is the sole method of input.

Yet Microsoft have said that Win 7 is their Tablet OS. Apparently, no one is allowed to release a tablet running Windows Phone 7.

ZrByte 20-12-2010 23:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop (Post 35140945)
so whats left? full linux or windows? Most likely windows dont you think? its gotta be something with some kinda app lib or as in the case of windows vast compatability with regular software. Anything with out app support will just crash and burn.

It could always be a rewritten android with better support for different features?

Could go with maemo or meego. It's essentially a full linux stripped down and a tablet style interface on top. Works well on the nokia n900. Lot of apps for maemo and there is talk of continued support on meego when it takes over.

alferret 21-12-2010 04:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 35140941)
How class is this advert?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quI2I...layer_embedded

Ad i'm guessing it's not another Android one.

Now that is an advert :tu:

With the bee at the end, could this bee ;) a reference to Android 3.0 Honeycomb??

Found this

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/m...t-d-dive-into/

Stephen 21-12-2010 10:43

Re: Tablet Style devices
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 35140941)
How class is this advert?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quI2I...layer_embedded

And i'm guessing it's not another Android one.

It will be Motorola's much rumored Tablet device built around Android 3.0 codename Honeycomb.

Tezcatlipoca 08-01-2011 15:51

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So, after the sudden emergence of the tablet market in 2010, thanks to the iPad, I think the tablet market is going to *really* take off in 2011.

As well as the inevitable iPad 2 in a few months, the iPad's competition is finally getting serious. This year will see several new tablets using Android 3.0 (Honeycomb, the version meant for tablets), along with the BlackBerry PlayBook and other devices.

Here's an Android 3 preview video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-80QD5Zjyc


Lots of stuff has already been shown off at this year's CES in Las Vegas.

Anyone seen anything yet which has piqued their interest?

Tezcatlipoca 09-01-2011 22:34

Re: Tablet Style devices
 
Bit here on the Motorola Xoom & the BlackBerry PlayBook:

"The Best Tablets of CES"

Zing 09-01-2011 23:10

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none of them are gonna be real cheap though are they lets face it. But that Xoom looks good

If I find my Archos invaluble then I will most likely invest in a Honeycomb tablet but if it does not then obviously I wont. At least if I dont use the Archos it aint cost a monkey

Tezcatlipoca 09-01-2011 23:21

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Yeah, price is obviously an issue!

If the Galaxy Tab costs around the same as the iPad, I hate to think what the PlayBook & Xoom would cost...


I expect that the mobile networks will offer subsidised tablets (as they do now with the iPad, & as they do in the US with the Tab)... but how many people really want *another* monthly contract?

I bloody don't, that's for sure. I already have a mobile phone contract, there's no way I'd take out a mobile data contract as well just to get a subsidised iPad/Tab/Xoom/PlayBook etc.

Zing 09-01-2011 23:44

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Same as Matt there is no chance. At the end of the day I only want it to save my PC being on just to browse the web and a bit of research so its a green option for me lol Ive never kept a laptop long so I dunno if I actually want a mobile computer. All the devices on the market now are not computers they are mobile media devices which is a different product. Honeycomb to me along with the spec of the hardware make the devices Tablet Computers :-)

Tezcatlipoca 07-02-2011 20:04

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Oh well, so much for the Xoom...

"Gizmodo - The First Good Android Tablet Has Locked Down Wi-Fi and Costs $800, Ughhhh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gizmodo
The First Good Android Tablet Has Locked Down Wi-Fi and Costs 0, Ughhhh

The Motorola Xoom sure has a lot of whizbang stuff inside: Crazy dual-core processors! Nvidia graphics! HD camcorder! 1GB RAM! Front camera! 3G that's somehow magically upgradeable to 4G! But, uh, it's eight hundred dollars. And it gets worse.

The worse being fine print in the leaked Best Buy ad that says:

Quote:

To activate WiFi functionality on this device, a minimum of one month data subscription is required.
Like Engadget, we can't figure out any other way to translate that besides the Xoom's Wi-Fi is locked down until you activate a data subscription with Verizon. They're requiring you to buy at least one month of data service to a basic feature of the hardware? What. The. Balls.

The pricing is horribly wrong for a couple of reasons on top of that. One, there isn't a cheaper option. While the most expensive iPad with 3G and 64GB of storage was $830, people still had the option to purchase a bunch of cheaper models, down to $500. In other words, the iPad cost as much as a netbook; the Xoom costs as much as a laptop.

(snip snip)


So. Will HP & RIM be more competitive than Motorola? Hopefully...

Zing 11-02-2011 21:53

Re: Tablet Style devices
 
wait till xoom mark 2 and buy the older version second hand or eol. I dunno where these companies heads are at imo the ipad is overpriced but you get a nice well built unit. Dunno where they think the market id for this.

I have to admit although I like my Archos 101 it hardly gets used apart from when I show it someone else. Waste of money yes but not £500 fortunately

Tezcatlipoca 16-02-2011 21:09

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Xoom price confirmed:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/16/m...n-verizon-600/

$799 for the 32GB WiFi+3G model, $600 for WiFi only.

Zing 16-02-2011 21:28

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oh well lol I hardly use the Archos an upgrade to this aint gonna happen lol

Tezcatlipoca 26-02-2011 21:12

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Hello, Moto...

Reviews of the first decent non-Apple tablet: The Motorola Xoom, running Google Android "Honeycomb".

10.1 inch screen with a 1280x800 resolution, 1GB RAM, 1GHz Nvidia Tegra 2 SoC (dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU plus a GeForce ULP GPU), 32GB storage, etc. etc. etc.



http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/02/23...let-redefined/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4191/m...blet-arrives/1

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/23/m...a-xoom-review/


Impressive... Most impressive...

However... still hampered by the price, as mentioned earlier in this thread. European release is due in "Q2" of 2011

Tezcatlipoca 02-03-2011 23:22

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The Xoom has finally been priced & dated for the UK.

9th of April launch, with a price tag of £499 for the 32GB WiFi-only model.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/m...t-500-promise/

That puts it on a par price-wise with the 32GB WiFi-only iPad 2, due on the 25th of March.

Tezcatlipoca 03-03-2011 19:05

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The 32GB WiFi+3G version of the Xoom has now been priced: £599 at Carephone Warehouse (exclusive).

Zing 03-03-2011 21:50

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its at least 200 quid to expensive imo :)

Hugh 03-03-2011 22:10

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Agreed - compete on price/functionality, as they can't compete on image.

Jimmy-J 08-05-2011 14:47

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The ASUS Transformer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Hk11dbAXk&feature=fvsr

Tezcatlipoca 31-08-2011 18:11

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And the next tablet contenders are... Amazon & Sony

Sony

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian
Sony unveiled its long-awaited Android tablets on Wednesday – but the price tags had analysts claiming it will struggle to compete for the No 2 spot in a market dominated by Apple.

The basic model of Sony's main tablet, shown at the IFA show in Berlin, is priced at €499 (£441), the same as the iPad – a price where Hewlett-Packard and other tablet companies have failed to dent Apple's dominance.

Sony had vowed in January that by 2012 it would become the world's No 2 tablet maker – behind Apple – and it stuck by this bold claim at IFA where its chief executive Howard Stringer introduced the devices.

(snip)

Sony has priced the devices firmly at the high end, alongside Apple. The Tablet S will go on sale in Europe from the end of September at a starting price of €479, depending on the configuration. The pocket-sized Tablet P will follow in November, starting at €599.

Sarah Rotman, at research firm Forrester, said: "Sony is no copycat … but the price raises a red flag. We've been down this road before: Motorola and HP both priced their devices on par with the iPad, and both were unable to sell their devices in volume until they lowered the price significantly."

She added: "My concern for Sony is not price competition with Apple but price competition with Amazon, whose [Android] tablet we expect to be significantly cheaper."

At least one gadget reviewer who has played with the new "Sony Tablet S" is not so sure Sony will achieve its aim of becoming the second behind Apple. "I don't think it has the premium feel, design and build quality that either the iPad 2 or [Samsung] Galaxy Tab has right now," said Tim Stevens, editor-in-chief of Engadget.

"I honestly don't think this is going to be the tablet that really catapults Sony into the lead on the Android front, which is where it needs to be if it wants to be No 2 in the tablet market."

There has been little buzz generated ahead of the release, unlike the anticipation for the iPad or even the Galaxy Tab.

(snip)


Amazon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian
Amazon is expected to release a tablet computer before Christmas which analysts forecast will finally provide serious competition for Apple's iPad, which has had the overwhelming share of the tablet market since its launch in April 2010.

Though the company declined to comment on Tuesday, a growing number of analysts and industry watchers said Amazon, best known for its online shopping site, is preparing to push into the highly competitive tablet market to add to its dominance of the handheld ereader market through its Kindle device.

(snip)

Sarah Rotman at Forrester, speaking about the expected tablet from Amazon, said that if Jeff Bezos's company manages to set the price below $300 (£185) and launch it by October, "we see Amazon selling 3m to 5m tablets" by the end of the year and that it will "completely disrupt the status quo". However she sees Apple continuing to dominate the sector, where it has roughly three-quarters of the market. In the Christmas quarter of 2010, Apple sold 7.3m iPads.

Rotman said that "even though Amazon taking on Apple is a bit like David taking on Goliath – compare the market capitalisation, profits and cash position of the two companies – Amazon's willingness to sell hardware at a loss, combined with the strength of its brand ... makes it the only credible iPad competitor in the market".

(snip)

Analysts expect Amazon's forthcoming tablet will use Google's Android mobile operating system, which has become the dominant player in the smartphone market, pushing aside Finland's Nokia, but made little impact so far on the larger devices, partly due to a lack of content and apps.

But Amazon has been preparing its own "app market" for Android, and can offer its Kindle app on the platform, creating a potentially huge market for ebooks.

"A year from now, Amazon will be synonymous with Android on tablets, a strong second to Apple's iPad," Rotman said.

(snip)


These figures from the Amazon story made me laugh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian
Apple has sold more than 28m iPads since it was launched, reporting 9.2m sold in the three months from April to June in its most recent financial results.

---

BlackBerry maker RIM, whose seven-inch PlayBook tablet runs its own QNX software, has seen slow sales since its launch, with just 500,000 sold in the three months to May, when it last reported its results.

And of course the Touchpad (originally the same price as the iPad 2) has already failed so much that HP killed it off, meanwhile the Motorola Xoom (originally the same price as the iPad 2) sold so poorly that it had its price slashed by around £80.

The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still retailing at the same price as the iPad 2... Don't know what the sales are like, but I'd imagine they're significantly lower than those of the iPad 2 (although probably not as low as the PlayBook's! :lol: ).


Thoughts?

Will Apple finally see some serious competition in the tablet market from Sony and/or Amazon, or will they each merely be the latest victims to fall beneath the mighty iPad?

I don't particularly like agreeing with "analysts", but I think good points are made regarding price. If Sony's comes out at the same price as the iPad 2, I think it will suffer a similar fate to all the other high-end Android tablets released at that price, while if Amazon does sell its one at a loss it may actually be a genuine competitor.


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