Poppy-burning: What a disgrace
 

www.dailystar.co.uk - muslims burn poppies

I find the story and photos are a total disgrace against every member of the armed services, that will be remembered on Sunday.

And the worst part is that some members of our society will agree with what they are doing. and the culprits will get away with it.:mad:

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but what those ignorant people forget is that a lot of muslims died in the 1st and 2nd world war defending there freedom so to make it possible for them the protest freely today.

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I think they're just getting their own back for burning the Koran. only thing is though they added the burning in hell bit.

Here's a direct link Arthur.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...-Two-arrested/

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unfortunately arthur there are people like this in all societies ,don't forget we had idiots burning the Koran behind a pub in Gateshead a few months back ,not to mention the American pastor getting his 3 mins of fame
and well done for posting a link :tu: it made my eyes burn but what the hay

heres one that goes directly to the story ,same paper though apologies

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...-Two-arrested/

or the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...y-protest.html

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The difference is that they did it in their own country.

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All three of the poppy-burners claim to have been born, educated and employed in the UK. Unless they're lying (and I think the papers would have been onto it by now if they were), they did this in their own country. ;)

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No point in giving them any attention to be honest.

They are extremist morons doing moronic things, they were there arguing with EDL morons, life goes on.

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how do you know that some or all of these muslims weren't British ?

what does stand out is the ignorance they show with statements like this

totally missed the point of what poppy day is all about

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Yup. Really no different to the skinheads and other assorted low-lifes who periodically gain notoriety for anti-establishment stunts.

Of course, because these people have brown skins and a different religion, there is something altogether more awful about it, apparently. :rolleyes:

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:tu: Exactly. Why let the extremists define the conversation? Ignoring them is the best option.

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quite agree ,i wonder if those muslims would vent their hatred in the same manner to this man and his like

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I expect some of them were.

Ignore the last line. it will never happen :)

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Then they were in their own country then weren't they :dozey:

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Yes.

They're not coming out tomorrow. they're staying in and doing an online demo instead. I wonder why? ;)

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We are proud of they way we have freedom in this country and that our brave forces fight for us, and other countries who cannot defend themself, but l find this to be totally disgraceful.

This is the reason why we have so much trouble and we 'don't defend' our own people, we have various people who do so much to harm this great country and we let them, it is so sad.

All l hope it that they don't try it tomorrow of all days.

To all the services for tomorrow l say 'thank you for giving us that freedom that we cherish'

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I believe they were actually shocked for being arrested (for what I don't know) I don't think they will actually do anything tomorrow (I believe they're too scared to)

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The thing is Art, we can and do "defend" our own people and our own way of life. Our way of life is long-established and built on freedom. In the face of protests like this it is like throwing pebbles at a 10ft thick castle wall. We defend ourselves by letting them have their fun, then shrugging our shoulders and getting on with life.

Idiot protests like this just bounce off. They aren't going to achieve anything and they aren't going to change anything. The only time we would actually need to take medieval steps like banishing people or hanging them for this sort of thing would be if we were an insecure medieval society, rather than a complex, mature and stable democracy.

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exactly my sentiments Chris ,Arthur said he hopes that they don't protest tomorrow,personnaly i don't care if they do ,they can't take the meaning of poppy day away however many poppies they burn

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Where to begin.........:confused:

I agree with you that burning poppies is disgraceful, but bear in mind these idiots are doing this to provoke reactions, and by over-reacting we would be validating what they say (muslims are oppressed and other such bolleaux).

I served for 3 years in a city (West Berlin) surrounded by a country ruled by those who brooked no dissent, no differing views, and stamped down hard on those who thought and behaved differently from the world-view the government put forward - I defended the rights of those in that city, and in my country, to speak out, and to put forward uncomfortable and differing views; why should we not give the same rights and freedoms to others in our own country today.

Thank you for your thanks, but please remember the defense of freedom is being done for all, not just for some, and to try and deny some those rights would defeat what those who serve serve for - cherish freedom for all, not just those who agree with you.

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Burning poppys, the Quran, or anything else like that is just simply disrespectful.

Those who do such things should be ashamed of themselves.

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And then the stupid retaliate.:rolleyes:

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome...ned.6624966.jp

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I find that hard to believe as I thought there was still Islam to think about when it comes to these things?

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/...100116148.html

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Not every Muslim is an Islamist..or wants an Islamic state.

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Is it wrong that i find this hilarious?

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Isn't that a bit like going to worship at a church but not being a Christian?

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But soooooo typical.;)

---------- Post added at 00:09 ---------- Previous post was at 00:06 ----------

Some Muslims can think for themselves and can arrive at a completely different conclusion about what the Koran means compared to those whom consider themselves Islamist.

After all there are several hundred different flavours of Christian around the world.

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There really is no point in getting angry with these morons, by trying their best to come up with evermore odious ways to insult the British people, they are just isolating themselves from any sane person in the UK...be they Christian, Jew, Muslim or Fulham supporter.

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their just protesting about the presence of our troops in the peaceful Islamic paradise of Afghanistan :rolleyes:

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You appear to have accidently left off the next few lines of that two year old article, Gary....

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No I didn't. the part quoted was sufficient enough in regards to the question.

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Do you mean this question you posted?

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That's the one.

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You appear to have provided a one-sided answer to a question you asked, and when it was pointed out you had missed the balancing part of the answer out, you stated the part quoted was sufficient enough in regards to the question you asked.....

It would appear you were trying to provoke anti-Islamic feelings, Gary.

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surprise ,surprise

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What ! Gary do such a thing , Never :D

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Please let's not get into 'all' muslims again when we're discussing just a handful. even if it is your Birthday.

I quoted a Muslim as saying "Muslims are not allowed to participate in anything that is clearly British nationalism." so there's a doubt as to whether having a poppy painted on a mosque would be acceptable. which is what I said "I find that hard to believe"

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Gary, I could quote 'a Christian' as saying it's acceptable to shoot and kill doctors outside abortion clinics where "preborn children’s lives [are] in imminent danger."

You can always find an individual nut-job rent-a-quote. It doesn't mean that the intelligent thing to do is to treat their words as mainstream and significant, just because they happen to fit your personal prejudice.

You have no justification for claiming there's a doubt about the acceptability of putting a poppy on a Mosque, just because you managed to dig up a quote by someone who asserts it.

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So because he's a nut job I'm to blame for quoting him? you know for certain that it's not true?
where in Shahid's statement does he say that it's not true for all Muslims?
don't many muslims have different opinions of things as it is, where some may believe one thing is forbidden, and the rest think it's not?

Dewsbury MP Shahid Malik, the Governments first-ever Muslim minister, said: As patron of the Royal British Legion in Dewsbury Ill be selling poppies in the town centre this Saturday. I think its really important to remember the freedoms we enjoy come at a price and sometimes the ultimate price.
The truth is that no matter what your background, we all must remember that people died for this country and the freedoms we hold dear and that is why Im proud to wear my poppy.

He's not a nut job so we take what he says as being true, and for all. as far as I can tell he is speaking for himself. and he suggests.

and this part that Hugh put in his post was not said by either. it was said by the person who wrote the article.
However, other Muslims in Britain so not share the same opinion.


Of course I do.

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Gary, not for the the first time, I'm left thinking that there's more chance of twanging an elastic band onto the surface of the moon than cutting through the tortured shell of illogic that encases your brain.

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Thanks. pity you can't debate back though :)

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You're a shining wit, though, I'll give you that. ;)

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Did you misspell that.:D

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Doubt it, it's not exactly a compliment these days...

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I was just thinking of a slightly different arrangement of the letters in shining wit.:D

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Isn't it strange, Gary, how you only promote and quote the views about Muslims that are negative, and don't seem to understand why other posters get bothered about your inability to see both sides of the story?

You seem to only quote the "nut jobs" that support your negative views, and then caveat and question the validity of any other Muslim who propounds reasonable, pro-Western, anti-terrorist views, saying things like You seem to have one rule of validity and certitude for statements by extremists (they are true and represent the views of most Muslims) and another for moderates (how do we know they represent the views of most Muslims, they might just be their own views).

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It's stranger that I didn't know I did, and that you say I do.

Are you doing that making an army thing again?

What?

Hugh, I have made valid points in regards to your earlier accusations and criticisms. and you have not questioned or answered one of them. all you have done in reply is made more accusations and criticisms.

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Perhaps a close (unintended) spoonerism... :erm:

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No I knew what he meant in the first place.;):p:

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Kids claiming to be terrorists.

Facebook is evil. I wonder if they would have carried out the threats?

http://swns.com/muslim-schoolboys-ex...te-171117.html

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Any bullying is out of order, and threatening use of weapons should lead to exclusion (it did at my kid's secondary school).

Mrs Allington doesn't seem to have a lot of luck with schools..... Link

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definately doing her son a favour pulling him from that school if that is the standard of spelling the pupils have

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If the allegations are true then I don't really think. the term "bullying" quite fits. And if someone is willing to knife another then I doubt threatening to exclude them from school would dissuade them much.

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I think in this case it's a few hundred steps past the bullying catagory.

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that's one disturbing article .
question is -is it an isolated problem or the norm ?

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That was the first thing that crossed my mind.;)

Did anyone ever search the little miscreants at the time to see what weapons they were carrying?Or was it all talk?

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Johnstone doesn't have a huge muslim population so I'd imagine this was a result of some home-grown half-wits. :mad:

http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk...7085-27666590/

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What's a ned? I'm guessing its slang for something but seems odd to see it used in print.

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Scottish word for chav. Non Educated Delinquent

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Scottish chavs.

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Here's all you need to know about Neds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk0sS4IFGXA

:D

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Here are some neds on their summer holidays in 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uladFPIY2aU