CCTV shows police 'punching' stab victim
 

In the video it looks like he could be punching the grass, and the woman officer looks like she's not happy with him and is pushing him away. and the other person in the video looks like he's not happy with either the grass puncher, or the person lying on the grass, (who has suddenly gone all quiet and still)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-11646559

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i can't wait for the explanation on this one

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From my viewpoint it looks like punches to the upper arm/shoulder to get him to release the grip of his leg.

At 20 seconds in once the grip is released the punching stops.

The fact professional standards are sticking up for the cop speaks volumes. Normally if there any hint at all of improper conduct they'll just sit quietly in their office sharpening their best knives and choosing where in the back to stab them.

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That was my first reaction as well ,it does seem as though the offender is doing some harm to the officer in an attempt to escape ,possibly biting

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I counted 13 police and 4 ambulance.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/_serv...408938/1058796

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Some excellent journalism there. :rolleyes:

Beating? Striking yes for a few seconds, not a sustained assault IMO

Officers? The video I'm watching shows one officer punching him not all of them. They then restrain him using as little force as possible.

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i think the moral of this story is if you get stabbed hope its not the police that find you first .

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What i see is a bloke who has sustained an injury trying to be helped by the police but making things very hard for them .These sort of threads usually end up full of conjecture and police bashing with absolutely no evidence or fact to corroborate them .We don't know if he was stabbed ,we don't know if he was the victim or an asailant that picked on the wrong man i.e the bloke in the grey jogging suit which would explain his eagerness to escape the clutches of the police in fact we know anything .
Just another police bashing thread as far as i am concerened

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And if the Police had let the stab victim walk away and he died of his injuries you'd be screaming for heads to roll. :rolleyes:

Lets face it, as far as Police 'beatings' go its not exactly a Rodney King.

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Ahh, the old video of cops where the video goes from him lying down quietly and then suddenly cuts to them all rolling about together.

I'm surprised it's not on YouTube instead of the BBC

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The mans obviously off his tits on drugs, why shouldn`t the police protect themselves. If he needed help, why did it take 3 officers to restrain him?

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There are three ways to restrain someone.

1. Put them down hard using strikes to potentially dangerous areas or use tasers/guns
2. Spend huge amounts of time and money training every single officer to exceptionally high standards in martial arts
3. Use multiple officers to restrain the person using the minimal amount of force needed to subdue the subject without injuring them

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4 hello sir you appear to be injured may we offer assistance .

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*sigh* :rolleyes:

So if the Police allowed him to walk away and he ended up dying of his injuries would you be happy with that?

At the end of the day he was kicking off, was restrained. The incident was captured on a camera, edited and put online. Was the restraint excessive? Not to me it wasn't but then again some people will always have a go at the Police regardless of the situation.

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What happens if the injured tells the cops to bugger off and attacks them how much force are they allowed to use ..in your view

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Does anyone think that if it does turn out that the officer was punching him in the head, that it's acceptable? even though it may hurt a bit as that's where he was stabbed?

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If it was the head he was being punched in then its a lot harder to defend but there might still be a case why that happened.

I've been reading the coverage over at the Daily Heil. Aside from their usual anti-police moans they state the 'victim' hasn't made any official complaint about it.

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Anyway, as Derek said, the police standards people normally love to roast coppers in the media, so when they don't, you really know there'snothing in it.

While we're on the subject though, and with the "Tough on Crime" thread closed, i'll post this here. Coppers have been given 18 month - 2+ years prison sentences for various assaults in police custody including punching and a bit of hair pulling.

Well a PC has lost 2 fingers due to an assault by a prisoner and she got a suspended jail sentence. Permantly maimed, for that. But i'm sure you all know this already as it was extremely widely reported, just like if a PC caused a prisoner to lose 2 fingers.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...pcs-fingers.do

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Based on what we saw (and if it 'is' punches to the head) I expect a very good reason to come forth as to why.

Isn't he suing them now? I read that he wasn't co-operating as he doesn't trust them after the incident.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again, if the police have to come and get you, they're probably bringing a butt kicking with them.

As much as someone may hate the police, or believe they are genuinely innocent etc, compliance goes a LONG way.

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You could probably show footage of incidents from any number of the current crop of fly on the wall police documentaries and argue excessive force.... Without being in possession of the full facts that is....

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are you saying that facts should be introduced before any judgement is reached ? cos if you are then i strongly protest ..i mean ,what would we have to rant about if people kept introducing facts into threads :rolleyes:

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Does anyone think that if it does turn out that the guy on the ground was attacking the police in the missing part of the video, that it's acceptable?

Two screen-caps from 8 seconds into the video........

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...3&d=1288297770

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I don't, but you put it far more eloquently than I did.

It's par for the course these days that videos are deliberately edited to cast the police in the worst possible light.

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What, attacking the police, or still the punching in the head?