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I was driving home from North Wales today and heard this on the news...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/11607419

I was surprised that there was no topic about it!

My view, after listening to some of the fine upstanding citizens in the report was that if they are using Abortion as a contraception there should be a 'three strike' rule, ie if you can't keep your pants on sensibly on the third abortion maybe they should consider sterilisation?

Flame away / discuss.

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Let them get on with it I say. we just have to accept that these people will be looking after us soon.

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I think it might be to the point to give better support and education to young teenagers BEFORE they get to the sex part.The trouble is no one wants to hand contraception readily to 12,13,14 year old girls..and to the the boys who don't think it's their business to use protection.:rolleyes:

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It is all well and good doing the :rolleyes:

However, from what i heard on the report it seemed like they were chavvy types getting hit up and then "chucking it away like a pair of shoes" and it would stop them from going to uni etc (only to do it again presumably).

Hardly the resposible type, hence my suggestion. You can only lead a horse and all that...?

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Surely then if the above is the case then that only goes to reinforce Maggy's post that more education and a need to make contraceptives available to youngsters from twelve and up has never been more necessary.

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Ah yes a return to the good old days, we could also take children into care that are born out of wed lock whilst we are at it. How would your sterilisation plan make these girls behave more responsable, which at the end of the day is what we are all hoping, if anything they'd take even fewer precautions as they'd have one less thing to worry about.

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The trouble is the people you are referring to aren't the decent sort who go to school and listen to elders.

I'd like to get tough on the people that drag this country down but we're far too wet unfortunately.

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God help us all....

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The thing is no government in this country wants to be seen giving contraception to children as young as 12.That's something they would rather leave to stupid feckless parents,:rolleyes:

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Yes but the kids who sexually active at 12 aren't the sort to use protection anyway. Even if they did I doubt they would be able to use them effectively.

We need to teach people, especially at that age, that actions have serious consequences and they will have to face them instead if people fawning around them throwing them all kinds of help that they don't deserve. Not keep throwing them get out clauses like contraception and abortion.

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Mmmmmm - 12 year olds, common sense, consequences; could have a problem there.

But in all seriousness, besides trying to educate these kids, what other options are there?

Should we ignore them and hope they go away, should we stigmatise them and make them visit back-street abortionists, or should we make them wear hoodies with a Scarlet "A" on them.

I understand people's frustration with these behaviours, but "fawning around them throwing them all kinds of help they don't deserve" seems rather harsh; what would you do, then?

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I think it's more to do with the fact that they are going to these clinics and having abortions. and in some cases going back again and saying me again, I need another one, doh!

obviously sex is all the rage in this day and age. but sadly the attitudes probably are too.

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My daughter knows of a girl who regularly gets the Morning After Pill from her chemist despite NOT being sexually active.... she sells them to girls who are, but who are too shy to ask for them themselves. Also too shy to ask for any other form of contraception... but not too shy to drop their knickers obviously...

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I think you will find it's nothing new, just reported more.

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I don't think that's the case. I think teenage girls are wanting and actually having sex at an earlier age than they used to.

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I think its more to do with peer pressure Gary, than 'wanting' to. Its also nothing new than teens are doing the deed around 12-15 yrs thats been happening for a very long time.:rolleyes:

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I know a lot of it is peer pressure. but I personally think they also want to more than they/we used to.
I'm saying they think it's not as 'taboo' as it used to be, and are more inclined to have sex without thinking whether they should or shouldn't.

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Well from what I remember it was never really taboo when I was that age. Maybe for the adults but never the actual teens.

Honestly I don't know what you are thinking but teens always have and always will have underage sex. Its mostly about peer pressure nothing else at all Gary.

It simply gets reported in the press more now than it ever used to.

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Ok, you're right and I'm wrong. :rolleyes:

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I'm afraid you are right but not in greater numbers.It's still rarer than you might suppose especially at 12/13.

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It is a balance. And I'm not advocating anything like you are using to pretend I am.

Kids needed to learn that actions have consequences. Nowadays they are taught that it doesn't matter what they do, someone will sort it out for them at everyone elses expense. How does that teach people to become responsible adults? The balance has swung too much in the wrong direction.

I am not Victorian but I'm am sick of working hard just to subsidize the (rapidly increasing group of) feckless idiots of this country.

If these people won't take any responsibility for their own actions and their equally feckless parents won't either then the government needs to step in. But it will never happen because we are far too wet as a country and there will always be a few hard working idiots like me to bankroll them.

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People are allowed to have differing viewpoints, Gary - it's not about right or wrong, just differing views on a situation.

That is one of the points of a forum, imho, allowing people to air their views and be challenged on them.

Anyhoo, back to the topic - I remember 12-15 year olds being "at it" when I was that age, and my mum used to tell me about "the naughty girls" who used to go "visit their aunts" for six months when she was at school, so that leads me to believe young teenage pregnancies are nothing new; they were just kept out of sight.....

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Agreed. and as I said I think it's more to do with attitudes now. you have girls openly asking for sex from older men. you have teens giving sex to older men. you have teens posting media of themselves on the internet.

that in itself is the attitude they have when it comes to sex. and the attitudes of having abortions goes with it.

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Good. maybe Stephen will take note :)

Yes. but we're not saying it never happened. infact we could say that it's happening at an even earlier age.

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This.

The point I was making is that if they are thick enough to get pregnant once and have an abortion, you would hope that they would learn from it. To be even thicker to go and do it again they clearly have not learnt anything so are probably not bright enough to be raising kids in the first place and will likely become a drain on society.

May as well nip it in the bud for long term savings, but as Punky quite rightly pointed out, we are too wet as a country to do anything meaningful about it other than blow hot air.

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We could, but we're not.....

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Well, compulsory sterilisation does have a bad reputation and history.....

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Ahh well, it was just an idea.

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People in the UK have the right to not have their body interfered with against their will. I don't think we want to start tampering with that right in any but the most extreme cases.

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Oh I can hear the screams of Abuse of Human Rights from the Guardian already at that idea...:erm:

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Not much to say, apart from, such is life.

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BTW I'm not suggesting anything that draconian but how about if they pay back the cost of their fecklessness via a tax on their benefits or if they get a job like student loans. Then the debt can be written off if they are well behaved for x years or if they complete y hours of community service. Hit them where it hurts. When they have to decide between alcohol, fags and food, maybe then they'll understand.

These people act like kids so you have to treat them like one.

It is not just about my taxes going to waste. If you free up the resources squandered by the feckless it frees it up for others that really do need it.

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We could but we aren't. As previously mentioned it seems like its happening more often and to younger people but in reality its just that the media report on it a lot more now. Going back 40 odd years if a young person got themselves pregnant, they were quietly shipped off elsewhere to either have the baby or an abortion and as far as everyone else knew they went to live with a relative for a while.

I don't really believe the current 12-16 yr olds are anymore asking for sex or looking for it than the 12-16 yr olds of 20 years ago were. Its just the press and media have totally changed and things are talked about a lot more now.

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Perhaps we need a bit of joined-up thinking here?

There are a considerable number of people out there desperate to find a baby to adopt.

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I remember having an argument with someone on this site who thought children being adopted away from their family was a truly evil act and should be the last thing to contemplate.As far as they were concerned the child should remain with the birth mother every time..Mind I can't remember who it was because I'd love to ask them what they thought of Baby P's case..

I know that children in care isn't ideal but it' a better alternative especially if adoption is the result.Sadly though not enough babies are given for adoption when they are babies.
It only seems to happen when they have become toddlers and the birth mother cannot cope or the birth mother won't sign over their child until the child is older...which is not the end of the world but it's not ideal either.:(

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Agreed, but the kids in the original report don't want to carry the babu, they want moar fun times.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11650100

Not a situation that any responsible parent wants but then there are the feckless uncaring parents that won't take any responsibility.

This is certainly a bold move and of course there are the usual detractors

As a short term stop gap it might help but really we need to change the perception of some parents that teen pregnancy/contraception/sex education is not their business but that of the schools and government.