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Maggy 16-10-2010 15:39

French to bankroll music-buying
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11549874

Quote:

French people aged 12-25 are to be encouraged to buy music via a state-subsidised scheme.
The plan attempts to get young people into the habit of buying music rather than stealing it by file-sharing.
The scheme will revolve around pre-paid cards that have a face value of 50 euros (£43) but which will only cost 25 euros when bought.
The French government will pay the other half of the cost when a card is used to buy music on a download site.
One wonders how they can afford schemes like this during a recession?Or don't they have a recession?

Anyway does anyone think this will work?

colin25 16-10-2010 16:05

Re: French to bankroll music-buying
 
It will be popular...with the legal downloaders..they might even buy more music

Someone will then claim it works..everyone is cured..it stops..and people go on strike for stopping it

During all that, the illegal downloaders continue

Vive la france :D

Mick Fisher 16-10-2010 16:36

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Why should the French taxpayer subsidise the music industry? Has some French Minister been plied with Champagne on a Luxury Yacht?

It has come to this because the music industry (Labels) produce too much rubbish and charge too much for it. The recording industry is going the same way as the Great British Pub for much the same reasons.

The only way to combat piracy is to make it not worth while by charging a realistic price for CD's and Albums.

Everybody would sooner own a quality CD than a carpy mp3 providing the price was right IMO.

I read somewhere an Industry Exec suggested a price of £1.00 each for albums (sorry no linky) to stimulate sales over piracy. Seems the way to go IMO.

Osem 16-10-2010 17:03

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Given the sentiments of the Toubon Law I wonder if one restriction will be that a proportion of the music so downloaded must be in French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubon_Law

Ramrod 16-10-2010 17:33

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35109715)

Anyway does anyone think this will work?

Well it will give legal downloaders a nice discount :rofl:

martyh 16-10-2010 17:34

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It's a good idea but should be done by the music industry not any government as it's the music industry that will gain .It should be upto the music/film industry to protect their own rights on film and music not any government

handyman 16-10-2010 19:30

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35109735)
Everybody would sooner own a quality CD than a carpy mp3 providing the price was right IMO.

Why are mp3 sales rising and CD sales dropping then?

Oh yeah its because I can have thousands of mp3 on my iPhone.. I can shazam a track I hear and purchase it on the spot.. The CD is dead..

Mr Angry 16-10-2010 21:18

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35109744)
Given the sentiments of the Toubon Law I wonder if one restriction will be that a proportion of the music so downloaded must be in French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubon_Law

From the link you supplied - "However, the law mandates the use of the French language in all broadcast audiovisual programs, with exceptions for musical works and 'original version' films".


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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35109735)
I read somewhere an Industry Exec suggested a price of £1.00 each for albums (sorry no linky) to stimulate sales over piracy. Seems the way to go IMO.

Here.

danielf 16-10-2010 21:42

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Originally Posted by handyman (Post 35109789)
Why are mp3 sales rising and CD sales dropping then?

Oh yeah its because I can have thousands of mp3 on my iPhone.. I can shazam a track I hear and purchase it on the spot.. The CD is dead..

I beg to differ. I still buy CDs. Partly because I like having the physical product and Artwork, and partly because the sound quality is better than MP3. Obviously, owning the CD does not stop you from ripping it to a digital format and sticking that on your phone. Plus: you can do that as many times as you want should other/better formats become available.

For all the convenience of the MP3, I fail to see why you would purchase an inferior format when you can get better quality that you can rip to whatever poor quality you want?

Maggy 16-10-2010 21:51

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Please before we get sidetracked into the merits of differing formats can I remind you to stick to the topic?



danielf 16-10-2010 22:30

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Sorry Boss...

hiii<3 20-10-2010 19:05

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Who damn cares about the law as long as you don't get caught...it's OK...and by the way guys talktalk and virginmedia aren't involved in the acs law thinngy

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well yeah until nest yr lol

Hugh 20-10-2010 19:21

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I wonder if you will feel the same way about the law if you get burgled or mugged?

Maggy 20-10-2010 19:28

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Originally Posted by hiii<3 (Post 35111376)
Who damn cares about the law as long as you don't get caught...it's OK...and by the way guys talktalk and virginmedia aren't involved in the acs law thinngy

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well yeah until nest yr lol

Why not open you own thread about whatever is getting up your nose, Mr I should be able to have whatever I like without paying for it and anything I create I'll give away for free because I believe in nobody paying for anything especially as I'm completely talentless myself so why shouldn't I steal other people's intellectual property.

hiii<3 20-10-2010 19:49

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35111385)
Why not open you own thread about whatever is getting up your nose, Mr I should be able to have whatever I like without paying for it and anything I create I'll give away for free because I believe in nobody paying for anything especially as I'm completely talentless myself so why shouldn't I steal other people's intellectual property.

I'm jealous of the artists...they're rich man!!! Why'd I pay them?

And you're calling me talentless???????? You are soooo horrible!!!

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in england anyway lol

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it's a miss i'm 13 man

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oh shut up hugh

Ignitionnet 29-10-2010 16:27

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For those curious as to how they can afford to do this, they aren't paying most of it. We, along with other European tax payers are.

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/eloj...ode=3_N97_2010

Mick Fisher 29-10-2010 18:34

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That figures........Why am I not surprised?

Taf 29-10-2010 18:37

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The EU is France's personal pot of slush money...

Maggy 29-10-2010 22:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35115169)
For those curious as to how they can afford to do this, they aren't paying most of it. We, along with other European tax payers are.

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/eloj...ode=3_N97_2010

I thought it might be us who ended up paying for this sows ear...

Mr Angry 29-10-2010 23:01

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35115283)
I thought it might be us who ended up paying for this sows ear...

Don't forget "We're all in this together". As such this should come as no surprise to anyone.

If people are going to download / stream material for free, which ordinarily they ought to pay for, then - much like the current shortfall in other areas of GDP - someone has to pay.

Lets face facts, illegal downloaders are the same as benefit cheats in that whilst they are not entitled to do so they take things "because they can".

Maggy 29-10-2010 23:04

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35115308)
Don't forget, "We're all in this together". As such this should come as no surprise to anyone.

Only some of us rather more than others..:mad:

Mr Angry 29-10-2010 23:10

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35115310)
Only some of us rather more than others..:mad:

Quite Maggy - but now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Mick Fisher 29-10-2010 23:36

Re: French to bankroll music-buying
 
The taxpayer always seems to bankroll a dying industry, while the Bosses skim off the cream, before it eventually gets sold off for peanuts to an Indian or Chinese Company.

Maybe the writing is on the wall for the Recording Industry?

Hugh 29-10-2010 23:51

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"The Bosses"???? - when in doubt, be emotive; Class Warfare 101......

Mr Angry 29-10-2010 23:52

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35115323)
The taxpayer always seems to bankroll a dying industry, while the Bosses skim off the cream, before it eventually gets sold off for peanuts to an Indian or Chinese Company.

Ah, xenophobia - excellent.

What about those world leading recording companies that have been predominately chinese since their inception Mick, do they not count? Which particular recording companies do you anticipate being sold off to either Indian or Chinese interests and on what (besides excusal xenophobia) do you base your predictions on?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35115323)
Maybe the writing is on the wall for the Recording Industry?

Yes, maybe it is. Is that something worth celebrating simply because self centered freetards and apologists for theft have, for too long, been oblivious to the reality of the fiscal impact of their activities and their espousal of the notion that "sharing is caring".

Well, lets see that in action, let's see them sharing the burden of shouldering the losses - or is it perhaps the case that's a kind of "sharing" that's beyond the selfish utopian nonsense they spout?

Hugh 29-10-2010 23:58

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35115329)
Ah, xenophobia - excellent. What about those companies that were predominately chinese since their inception Mick, do they not count? Which particular recording companies do you anticipate being sold off to either Indian or Chinese interests and on what (besides excusal xenophobia) do you base your predictions on?



Yes, maybe it is. Is that something worth celebrating simply because self centered freetards and apologists for theft have, for too long, been oblivious to the reality of the fiscal impact of their activities and their espousal of the notion that "sharing is caring".

Well, lets see that in action, let's see them sharing the burden of shouldering the losses - or is it perhaps the case that's a kind of "sharing" that's beyond the selfish utopian nonsense they spout?

a) Sony? No, hold on, they're Japanese.

Universal? No, hold on, they're French.

Warner? No, hold on, they're American.

EMI? Yes, they're British!! Hold on, though, they're owned by Venture Capitalists Terra Firma Capital Partners.

Who does that leave to sell to the Chinese or the Indians?

b) Don't you understand? Only by giving it away free, would the business model make sense - that way, they could use the cream they had skimmed off to pay for new artistes, so they could give more away free - your outmoded view and business model is what causes the problem.


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