How should offenders pay ?
 

Came across this article in my local paper today .Apparently there is 541million pounds outstanding in unpaid fines,compensation payments and costs ,20m is owed in the north east region .This was brought to light after the Evening Chronicle heard of a woman who had £800 wiped off because she admitted she would never be able to pay
I have said for years now and i am sure others will agree that it is pointless fining some people because they have no means of paying ,no intention of ever paying and never will .

I am sure that the figure of 541million is in actuality far greater if collection costs are taken into account.So what can be done ,how should the system be changed

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How about they knock it off her state pension when the time comes (with an adjustment for inflation of course).

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That's the catch 22 though isn't it ,Taking the fines out of benefits would just make the offenders turn to crime even more because they have even less money

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Nah, the way the retirement age is going she'll be too old to turn to crime... :D

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What about the compensation payments to victims? Should they be just ignored?

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There the ones i feel sorry for ,joe bloggs gets his car wrecked outside his house ,culprit caught and fined ,compensation awarded ,joe bloggs never sees a penny despite outlaying the cost of repairing the damage

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Deductions from benefits, seizure of her property, removal of some benefits like motability vehicles, harvesting her organs... :erm:

Ok maybe the last one is just a touch far but all the rest is pretty much doable. Fines are looked on by the criminal classes as an even bigger joke than community service orders as if they aren't paid they get a few more court appearances until they are eventually waived.

If you don't want to go down the seizure of the inevitable plasma and PS3 then going back to the old way of jailing people in lieu of fines and making sure the time is served in a way that makes them not want to return.

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Hmm wonder how many disabled people are crims (guess they might not be paying tv licence or poll tax) and your last idea isn't a touch to far at all, people can live with 1 kidney, 1 cornea etc :shocked:

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Well over half of the repeat 'customers' I deal with have motability cars of some description and with quite a few of them end up with more disposable income each month than I do :mad: and that's before the profits from dealing and thievery are taken into account.

Yet when they end up in court fines are set at maybe two pounds a week and then never get paid.

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all criminal sentences should be eye for an eye when proven beyond a doubt e.g. kill and be killed unfair how the tax payer currently foots the bill for the living of about 90k **** bags

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cash...i don't think it is wise taking a cheque or credit card..too risky :D

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Like the debtors prisons which always struck me as pointless.

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making offenders pay? that's very difficult, why not throw some more money at them? then maybe they'd be able to pay for their duck houses and wisteria bushes e.t.c. like the bankers, they've been squared up, and not a mention of hanging, or touching their hard earned pensions and bonuses, if that's the kind of example our betters show us, well why target the small fry' without going for their teachers.?

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Uh huh.

If you actually had a clue you would realise that the people who are targeted for paying fines are people who have jobs and/or cars.

If you get fined for something and have a job then you pretty much will pay. This whole thread is about the unemployed evil poor who refuse point blank to pay any of the numerous fines they incur and nothing gets done about it.

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must be living beyond your means, why not introduce a bonus system, like 10% of every fine paid for parking tickets e.t.c, then maybe you'd be able to service your credit card,;)

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So you want us to follow the Saudis' example?

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I would never have guessed that, unless they are just milking the system of course for 'bad backs' and depression, that's all to guessable :(

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How do you prove it beyond doubt? We never used to prove anything beyond doubt and still don't today, fact is having a death penalty never stopped anyone from killing, hell having a death penalty never even used to stop people from nicking a loaf of bread...

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Litter needs picking up, graffiti needs cleaning. Put them to work, unpaid.

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there seems to be some success with this scheme in worcester ,however i have doubts as to how long lasting it would be as these type of schemes are usually the first to go when cutbacks are needed

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Get rid of fines and replace with comunity work of various types be it digging gardens for people if fit enough to doing paper work ( belive me i run a small charity making some one fill out all the forms i have to do to get grants etc could easily class as punishment they are a nightmare ) for those less able

with the option if they wish to pay their way out of the work if they so wish if you really want money ( though i see that as the easier option lol )

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well, quite (right) but does that mean we put the people who do these jobs on the dole? some really deep thinking involved, or should we all work for nothing?with some exceptions,(bankers, politicians,) for example.;)

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If you can put your childish hatred for bankers to one side for just a moment you might just realise that whilst some people are currently employed in street cleaning and other jobs that can be done with minimal training there could be a lot more done and if people who are currently not working but able to they could be used to supplement and not replace those doing the job.

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I admire the way you manage to turn every single thread you comment in into an attack on bankers and politicians :rolleyes: now lets see if we can devote the same energies to contributing a meaningful point on the subject at hand

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Nope, judging by the state of the UKs streets, they could use the extra help.:)

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Thats the right approach. Pink overalls, brush & shovel, get sweating.
Its called payback.

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yes. every action has a reaction.

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NO, i would prefer the honest hard working people that CURRENTLY DO THAT JOB remain.

every con should repay every pay they cos tthe tax payer during there incarceration any further offences will be met with severe consequences, yes just like the saudis

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errrr, oj ?

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who said that they need to lose their jobs ,it doesn't happen now and won't in the future
All that would happen is that community service would used to suplement current jobs and in some cases do the work that isn't currently being done because of cost issues

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castration...i know I have said it before...but..got to admit..it would make them think twice

I know..what about the women?..less guys in jail..more room for the women

And..might even be a popular tv series in it..cell block VIII :D

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Damn right.....and we get a more pleasant country to live in.

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....and they could. There is more litter on our streets than they can deal with....Not sure I understand you there m8....:confused:

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Was found not guilty of murder...

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In an area I know the council used to be cutting back the overgrowth and general tidying up all the time. since they've stopped doing it they've put adults who want work experience doing it.

what happened to the people who were employed to do it? have they been made redundant, moved somewhere else, or having a paid break?

it could happen in the future where the council could use it as a means of cutting back. cut the staff and either get adults who want work experience doing it. or get others to do it as a means of payback to the community.

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That is always a possibility for the cynics amongst us ,but i am sure/would hope that safegaurds are in place to prevent this ,for example under current employment law if someone is made redundant then no-one is allowed to do that job for 6 months and the person who used to do it has to have first refusal if the job becomes available again so if the parks and gardens dep in your area have laid off x ammount of workers and then set on x ammount of work experience people or convicts on community service then they will be breaking the law