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Osem 07-10-2010 20:38

Miliband's Marauders?....
 
... or a bunch of inept losers?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11494915

Will DC and NC be clapping their hands with glee?.......




* Just for anyone who doesn't know what the hell I'm referring to:

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...0marauders.htm

Cobbydaler 07-10-2010 20:45

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Hmmm.

Lots of ex Treasury people in there.

They don't exactly have the best track record...

tosh mate 07-10-2010 20:58

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hmmmmmm well i dont normally get involved in politics but.............

politicians are the same the world over and i would not trust any of them

Hugh 07-10-2010 21:12

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Excellent - Ed Balls

DocDutch 07-10-2010 21:17

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well ed was his main rival in his fight for the leadership so keeping enemies close

Hugh 07-10-2010 21:18

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More of a frenemy, methinks....

Maggy 07-10-2010 22:22

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I think this lot are immaterial..there is going to be a lot of shifting around and it's going to be a very long time until Labour are back in power.I suspect we'll have at least one more leader in opposition and several cabinet changes before any chance at power.

frogstamper 08-10-2010 01:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35105588)
I think this lot are immaterial..there is going to be a lot of shifting around and it's going to be a very long time until Labour are back in power.I suspect we'll have at least one more leader in opposition and several cabinet changes before any chance at power.

I wouldn't be so sure Maggy, they are already level pegging in a recent opinion poll and thats before there has been any meaningful cuts at all.
Also don't forget that the LD vote has collapsed with the majority of those going to Labour, and at the next election there will be no third party for a protest vote.
If the Conservatives could not win an outright victory with Brown as PM, a recession and a government that had been in power for thirteen years I don't fancy their chances after the cuts that are to come.

Maggy 08-10-2010 06:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35105622)
I wouldn't be so sure Maggy, they are already level pegging in a recent opinion poll and thats before there has been any meaningful cuts at all.
Also don't forget that the LD vote has collapsed with the majority of those going to Labour, and at the next election there will be no third party for a protest vote.
If the Conservatives could not win an outright victory with Brown as PM, a recession and a government that had been in power for thirteen years I don't fancy their chances after the cuts that are to come.

I'd be careful about the polls..after all Labour has had no direction since the Election because they have been having an election to pick Milliband.I wonder how many who have now taken a look and are listening, will still be of the same mind in a few weeks time?

Hugh 08-10-2010 18:15

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Interesting point about the Shadow Cabinet in today's Telegraph.
Quote:

Of the 19 people elected, eight went to fee-paying schools and two went to grammars. Of the other three people in the Shadow Cabinet, two were educated privately and one at a grammar.

In other words, a majority did not go to comprehensives. If you include Ed Miliband, six members of Labour’s front bench team did PPE at Oxford and nine went to either Oxford or Cambridge.
Also, all of Ed Miliband’s “new generation” Shadow Cabinet members were on the government payroll when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister - eighteen were ministers, and Mary Creagh was a Government whip.

Damien 08-10-2010 18:20

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I like Alan Johnson though, pleased he is high up.

Chris 08-10-2010 18:26

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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35105622)
I wouldn't be so sure Maggy, they are already level pegging in a recent opinion poll and thats before there has been any meaningful cuts at all.

The opinion polls between 1983 and 1987, and 1987 and 1992 paint a surprisingly similar picture. I really wouldn't set too much hope against polls being issued a full four-and-a-half years ahead of the next general election. ;)

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Also don't forget that the LD vote has collapsed with the majority of those going to Labour, and at the next election there will be no third party for a protest vote.
If the Conservatives could not win an outright victory with Brown as PM, a recession and a government that had been in power for thirteen years I don't fancy their chances after the cuts that are to come.
The SDP/Liberal Alliance weren't an effective third party in the 80s either.

Tezcatlipoca 08-10-2010 18:37

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35105909)
I like Alan Johnson though, pleased he is high up.

I can't stand him...

colin25 08-10-2010 18:47

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I think we should start our own party

We could start with the following pledges:

Better broadband for all.
No monopoly on football rights
Allow cable forum mods a last name..even elvis had a last name

we use this forum as our rallying cry

From little acorns :D

Damien 08-10-2010 18:49

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Does anyone know how often a ruling party has increased their share of the vote from the previous election? I was always under the impression that a governing party simply loses votes, for the obvious reason that they need to take decisions which will make them unpopular.

colin25 08-10-2010 18:50

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Didn't labour increase their vote..when they got a second term?

Hugh 08-10-2010 21:03

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35105939)
Didn't labour increase their vote..when they got a second term?

Labour votes cast, and percentage of total votes cast
1997 13,518,167 votes, 43.2% of total votes cast
2001 10,724,953 votes, 40.7% of total votes cast
2005 9,552,436 votes, 35.2% of total votes cast

Chris 08-10-2010 21:05

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35105939)
Didn't labour increase their vote..when they got a second term?

No, they lost votes and seats in 2001.

Thatcher increased her number of seats in 1983 but on a slightly lower vote. The Tory vote in 1987 was only fractionally lower. In fact, from 1979 to 1992 the Tory vote only shrank by 2 percentage points. Labour's vote fell 8 percentage points between 1997 and 2005.

It is generally true that a multiple-term Government will have its highest share of the vote at the beginning of its first term and lose it in each subsequent election until they are eventually out of office.

There's a good historic vote share graph here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1950_graph.png

Osem 08-10-2010 21:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35105904)
Interesting point about the Shadow Cabinet in today's Telegraph.

Also, all of Ed Miliband’s “new generation” Shadow Cabinet members were on the government payroll when Gordon Brown was Prime Minister - eighteen were ministers, and Mary Creagh was a Government whip.

Is Ed going to christen them Not So New Old Labour then? :D

tammac 08-10-2010 23:19

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Don't think this gov will last a full term, don't think any coalition has went the distance,and it won't matter what school;the incoming Labour gov members went too, we wont see the tories or their fags, for another decade(at least). Mind you,a bit of boundary changing might help.(article in the Daily Gutterpress)

gazfan 08-10-2010 23:46

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Originally Posted by tammac (Post 35106090)
Don't think this gov will last a full term, don't think any coalition has went the distance,and it won't matter what school;the incoming Labour gov members went too, we wont see the tories or their fags, for another decade(at least). Mind you,a bit of boundary changing might help.(article in the Daily Gutterpress)

I had hoped you were going to keep to your stated intention of ceasing to post on this forum.

- not really a problem, I was just expecting to avoid the hassle of placing you on ignore.

- sorted, now, though, goodbye :)

colin25 09-10-2010 05:26

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35106026)
Labour votes cast, and percentage of total votes cast
1997 13,518,167 votes, 43.2% of total votes cast
2001 10,724,953 votes, 40.7% of total votes cast
2005 9,552,436 votes, 35.2% of total votes cast

i love these forums..you ask and an answer appears :D

Hugh 09-10-2010 06:43

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Originally Posted by tammac (Post 35106090)
Don't think this gov will last a full term, don't think any coalition has went the distance,and it won't matter what school;the incoming Labour gov members went too, we wont see the tories or their fags, for another decade(at least). Mind you,a bit of boundary changing might help.(article in the Daily Gutterpress)

Please keep on topic - this thread is about the new Shadow Labour Cabinet.

Derek 09-10-2010 08:09

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Sadiq Khan as shadow justice secretary? Seriously? :shocked:

Ignitionnet 09-10-2010 08:21

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35106167)
Sadiq Khan as shadow justice secretary? Seriously? :shocked:

Ya. Getting his just reward for picking the right team. Plenty of material to be worked with.

http://order-order.com/2010/10/08/5-...ice-secretary/

papa smurf 09-10-2010 08:32

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35106171)
Ya. Getting his just reward for picking the right team. Plenty of material to be worked with.

http://order-order.com/2010/10/08/5-...ice-secretary/

some excellent qualities listed there , sounds perfect for the job ,i wish him well in his new post - good choice Ed

paul nolan 09-10-2010 09:16

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I like the fact that Ed Milliband has to choose from a small selection of chosen MPs rather than choose the best people for the job.

I like the fact that Kahn is perhaps the most ludicrous choice of Justice secretary ever.

I like the fact that the PLP really really don't have a clue.

Derek 09-10-2010 15:23

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OK some further off-topic posts have been removed.

Keep any further posts on-topic or else infractions will start being dished out

Hugh 09-10-2010 15:30

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Originally Posted by tammac (Post 35106406)
Whats an infraction? does it mean you get sent Botany bay if your bad?

I would strongly recommend you read the Forum guidelines.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/8/...use-cable.html

This explains the infractions.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...gs-system.html

tammac 09-10-2010 15:31

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35106026)
Labour votes cast, and percentage of total votes cast
1997 13,518,167 votes, 43.2% of total votes cast
2001 10,724,953 votes, 40.7% of total votes cast
2005 9,552,436 votes, 35.2% of total votes cast

This topic, Shadow labour cabinet?

Damien 09-10-2010 15:33

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Originally Posted by tammac (Post 35106410)
This topic, Shadow labour cabinet?

Yes. Precisely this new Shadow Cabinet and how it will affect the government and Labour.

Osem 09-10-2010 20:49

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35106171)
Ya. Getting his just reward for picking the right team. Plenty of material to be worked with.

http://order-order.com/2010/10/08/5-...ice-secretary/

Makes you wonder why Ed the Red picked this guy unless of course it's just tokenism.

Cobbydaler 11-10-2010 18:50

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35106585)
Makes you wonder why Ed the Red picked this guy unless of course it's just tokenism.

Because he was his Campaign Chief and he won... ;)


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