Thug has bail curfew lifted so he can go on holiday
 

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news...ted.6567182.jp

Can't agree with this, seems so wrong to me

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Happens all the time.

I've seen a bail curfew lifted as the defence lawyer argued his client was too stupid to comply with the conditions. Not too stupid to go out on the rob every night and trick his way into pensioners houses but too stupid to be in his house between 1900 and 0700. :mad:

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The first thing they should have done is confiscated his passport let alone send him on his merry way, ridiculous.:erm:

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Really???

My word, that is bad.

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exactly!

but on another note what about his human rights.... lol

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Warning! Warning! Straw Man Alert!!!!:D

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What would have happened if permission wasn't granted, would he have gone anyway?

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quite possibly, i get the feeling that he has little respect for law or other people given the violent nature of his crimes whilst already on bail .

How come breaching bail conditions didn't automatically send him on remand ?

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Well if they had grounds to think he would not attend then remand the idiot till its time for his case to be heard.

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I'm suprised the "foreign" country would allow him in?

---------- Post added at 22:27 ---------- Previous post was at 22:26 ----------

It's defo not the US.

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Ha ha! I have been waiting all day for the "Aw, what about him, surely he needs a break" it will do him good reply...

Thanks for restoring my faith in CF :)

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How did he pay for the holiday? ..proceeds of crime and all that

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His mother paid..

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Well, to be honest, he must have some respect for the law, seeing as he bothered to ask for permission in the first place. Perhaps this is what the judge saw and is the reason why he allowed the curfew to be lifted. Perhaps, with his history he would have just up sticks and went anyway, because, if we are to believe the many stories we hear of the law going soft on young criminals, the consequences would have been minimal. Perhaps he is accumulating a new found regard for the law. But saying all of that, it will take a lot more than asking permission for him to be a model citizen.

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This is what l have been saying all along, the laws in this country are pathetic, and they wonder why yobos take the mick out of society, and why you have barristers that make a fortune out of the tax payers to keep yobs on the street.

Once you get any curfew or ASBO, the law should be enforced and these should be enforced, next thing the law will allow yobs to go to Florida, so that dolphins can teach them how to behave on the streets.

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But the law has been enforced, as far as I can tell. There are presumably provisions in this particular law that allows a variation, but only if ordered so by a judge. The law would have been broken if he simply went on holiday and did not ask for permission.

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do you think though that the spirit of the law in this case was abused

i feel sure that the the exceptions were not meant for people such as him

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Either that or his lawyer requesting the variation in the conditions gets another legal aid payout. I know which one my money is on.

Besides the going rate for a breach of bail conviction in Scotland right now is 1 month in the pokey. This is cut in half automatically plus extra early release drops that down to a couple of days at most and means pretty much any bog standard bail breach doesn't actually incur any punishment.

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But who else would they have been meant for? If criminals are allowed these considerations, then he was just as entitled to it, as any other thug would have been.

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well i would have thought on a case by case basis ,lesser criminals like shoplifters or non violent crimes would be allowed these considerations not someone like him

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I would have thought that the criteria would be more based on whether the criminal was flight risk, rather than what they were convicted of.

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considering that his current offences occured while on police bail i'm surprised he still has his liberty never mind being allowed to go on holiday .How do you judge if someones a flight risk untill they actually abscond ?

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I have no idea, I am sure the judge would have taken that into consideration. Perhaps his mother put up a good case to serve as his "minder" to ensure that he returns. I didn't see anything about his bail being increased or not. Maybe they put the bond up?

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Lot of assumptions, presumptions, maybes, and perhaps' being floated around.....

Hopefully the same open-mindedness and even-handedness will be equally distributed in other topics.;)

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All that should have happened is that he should have been made to surrender his passport regardless of the holiday being pre booked.

I wonder if the same judge would have let a juror go on holiday even if their holiday was pre booked.

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It's in Scotland so a little different with no money involved. He will have been charged with an offence sufficiently serious enough that being remanded might have been an option.

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I doubt he'd get into the US with a crimianal record.

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No yob with a criminal record will get into the United States of America unless they apply for a Visa from the US Embassy in London and provide a thumbprint, and only if the offence is deemed to be not serious will they actually be granted a Visa.

How many yobs can you see doing that when then can go to Benidorm for a lot less.

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I'm not sure if having to go to see Lady Gaga is more punishment than being on a curfew.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11638518

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To be fair Derek, it is an excellent show :)