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Emma Thompson has said she fears for the future of the English language - with young people's slang talk making them "sound stupid".

What do others think ?is the way young people talk just the next evolution of the language or are they lazy and stupid ?

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She does have a point, even people have come on here and spoke in txt spk.

Which does make it very hard to read.

L8R

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Lazy & stupid

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There are very things which annoy me more than teenager from a fairly well-off family talking like they come from a particularly tough ghetto in Jamaica.

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that's called jamafrican according to my son :)

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An important comment from Ms Thompson:

This touches many of the same issues being discussed in the piercings/tattoos thread. We all live and move in different but neighbouring (often overlapping) 'communities'. When moving beyond our own immediate social circle we find we either have the skills to engage with the circle we move into, or we don't. Those that do, will successfully interact and gain as a result. Those that can't will be ignored or treated as an idiot.

It happens here on Cable Forum ... those that recognise we as a community prefer to be addressed in written English of reasonable quality (and not TXT SPK) tend to fit in, get the help they need etc. Those that insist on writing in text are usually ignored and sometimes asked to modify the way they are expressing themselves. If they do, great ... if they don't, they don't necessarily get as much helpful engagement from the community here as they might otherwise have done.

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lazy and stupid

wait!..what was the question? :D

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I don't really have a problem with some of the examples, text speak yes, but 'like' and 'innit' not so much. Obviously if you were in a professional setting you would need to consider how you speak and how your coming across. Sounding like a preppy American teenager is not a good look when your applying for a job.

However the way people converse socially is their business and language changes and evolves. Slang goes in and out of fashion. It's like so obviously not a problem, innit.

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It will be interesting to see what happens in 40-50yrs time when all the kids have grown up ,will they still be talking "street" because that's all they know and will it become part of the official English language

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Or, we get so sick of them...we kill them..and stop the human race. :D

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I hate it, it disgusts me when I hear people young 'uns talking like that. Was in the chippy last week stood next to a young lad in a suit, when one of his mates walked in, trackies and everything, fisted each other (:shocked:) and said "Take time" - what on earth does this mean?!

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Are people talking the same now as a hundred years ago? 200 years ago? Clearly not.

Languages change and develop, always have, always will. Many dictionary defined words in the English language are merely *******isations of others, just like "innit" et al anyway. Get over it.

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I dislike that estuary type accent that a lot of UK rappers talk and allegedly sing, it is so damn annoying especially as you know they are putting the stupid voice on.

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That's exactly what they do. they actually compete to see who can talk the worst.

if one thinks he's losing he'll start doing exaggerated arm movements as well as talking.

then they'll all limp home and mummy will give them a bath. school in the morning! :D

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Why though ?,what makes the kids want to forceably change the way they speak naturally is it a way of proving they belong to a certain group or class of people or is it just a fashion

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Yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah but no but innit, riiightt. But yeah but no but..... I don't know. :D

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They just want to be different. kids feel they have to be somebody in order to survive on the streets. it's them and us.
bring it on :)

There's loads of changes other than the way they speak. when was the last time a 4 year old threatened to kick your nice head in? :D

I blame that londoner kid on big brother. Kieran I think his name was. everyone started talking the way they do since he was on big brother.

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Don't worry.When the time comes they all learn to speak,write and communicate in formal English IF they want to work.

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work wots dat den isit when some geezer gis you some doe for sweepin da floor or somink ..sweeeet maaan

hows my street coming on then :D

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sorry old boy don't understand your banter ;)

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that explains allot



try this banter
http://www.skepticfiles.org/en001/banter.htm

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nor did i :D

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Cheap shot PS as most of our youngsters do go out and get a job..:(

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I always like an optimist. :)

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I have to say, I saw this story earlier on and whilst watching the Channel 4 news I thought I would start a topic about it. I was beaten to it ha ha!

Where I work, it is just up the road from the main train station. Whilst out having a smoke I quite often get asked for directions. Mainly for the legalisation offices.

In the main, it is people from overseas. They make an effort and i can understand them on the whole.

Yesterday, I was asked by some 'locals' for directions to the driving test centre. It went along the lines of --

Yo, you know where da test centa is innit blud?
Pardon?
Da driving test centa, where is it bro?
I think it is further up the street if I have understood you correctly.
Wikkid.

This country. You only have to watch EastEnders (shudders, not my choice) and you can see where they get it from.

If this is the generation that is going to take us forward when I am getting older, God help us.

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It'll be fun. you can ask for a mortgage in exchange for some weed. but if we I have to do that fisting thing. he can forget it.

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I think you mean "fist-bump"
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/09/9.jpg

"Fisting" is something completely different.....;)

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thank god you explained...i was worried what he meant with fisting :D

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bet you int got any pics o dat do ave yiz

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i was going to say something but i thought better let gary:dig:his own hole;)

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Going by the pic. that's the one.

Pic?

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carefull now it's a family forum :nono:

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funnyly enough your post is LOADED with generational/regional slang too ;) ive bolded some examples

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Yeah that's right innit - know what a mean, know what a mean, know what a mean - choooooooooooooooll

Methinks tis gutterite with a hint of plebese and a smattering of dipstickinism :erm:

Shakespeare must be turning in his grave.

Si thee :Sprint:

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Youngsters always will want to be different from the older generation, its only when you are older you realize how dopey you must have come across as a teenager, a right of passage most of us have been through no doubt.:)
As regards inane speech one of the worst has to be somebody repeating over and over after every few words..."You know what I'm saying right", what a completely pointless thing to keep saying, unless of course you are addressing an amoeba.:)

What was it Rowan Atkinson's Inspector Fowler once said, "sometimes I wish I could go live on radio four", the older I get the more attractive this sounds.:)

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As long as i can understand what someone is saying how they say it is entirely upto them personally. What i absolutely hate with a passion though and had many arguments with my son about is white teenagers talking as though they are from some ghetto in the states and are off out on the nightly drive by. Most of the non white teens i know have made it clear they hate hearing white people copy their speech and trying to act like them and i fully understand it. Be who you are and be proud of it don't try and be something your not because you think it sounds cool it doesn't and frankly makes you look like a complete moron.

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That irritates me too. it sounds like you're asking a question and not sure what you said was what the other person wanted to hear.

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No, a realist who knows that many of the children she teaches do go on and work for a living..and doesn't read the Daily Fail for her information.:mad:

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where does this information come from then ?
do the children keep in contact and discuss their employment status with you ,i only ask because when i left school like most people i had no further contact with my teachers ,you must have a better relationship with your students than most teachers do :tu:.

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I live in the town where I teach.I teach in the town where I live..and I suspect I have far more connection with what's going on with young school leavers than you do..I meet old pupils ALL the time when out and about,most of them are working, some have gone on to college and thence to university or work.

As to your experiences of old teachers I can only say mine was different.I did keep in touch with those that I respected and until my school was closed and amalgamated into another I went back regularly to see staff.Even then I met them out and about my town. How sad you felt no affection or respect for your old teachers enough to let them know how you were doing.It's something teachers love when old pupils make the effort to keep in touch..

In fact one old pupil married one of my second cousins..and I know she is still working.;)

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In fairness i have to agree with Maggy here the vast majority of teenagers do indeed leave school and go on to do something positive and productive from what i can see locally and within the larger county where i live. Yes there are those who prefer to lounge about on street corners doing nothing but being a pain but they are a minority and should be recognised as such. I think the saddest thing about the UK these days is how happy we are to accept generalisations about all groups without questioning or seeing for ourselves or basing that generalisation on the small spectrum we see or choose to see. It is happening all over and is a corosive force in our country and then usually the same people that apply all these generalisations then ask why things are getting so bad why does group A act like they do against group B.

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....That was kinda the point ;)

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i have to agree Rizzy ,in my personal experience and as recent as last weekend i managed to find some labour for the weekend in my local amongst the local teenagers ,fair enough they spoke funny and i couldn't use any big words but they did turn out for work on saturday and sunday and did what i wanted ,which is fair enough in my book