Are you like a 'benefit cheat'...
 

... as defined by Danny Alexander?...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...x_immoral.html

Mr Alexander seems to feel that anyone who legally mitigates their tax liability via the rules set out by government is on the same level as those who evade tax by, for example, illegally not declaring income or claiming benefits to which they're not entitled. Is he right?

I wonder what his views on his own actions with respect to Capital Gains Tax liability are:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-on-house.html

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Not another glass houser.:rolleyes:

You would think they would make sure all their ducks were in a row first..:D

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Tax avoidance is perfectly legal.

Mr Alexander, I believe, did his own fair share of tax avoidance during the MP expenses carry on.

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Well if it isn't a hell of a lot of accountants have been breaking the law for a very long time...

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If they applied that logic there'd be nobody left in Westminster to make such announcements.... :D

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Ahh but all the ducks are in the moat, or was it the club house, I'm not sure...

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That was Peter Viggers with the Duck house and he was my MP for over 30 years..

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My accountant uses every legal loophole he can to minimise my tax bill. I feel no guilt over that as I feel I pay too much tax already and get far too little in return.......apart from a warm fuzzy feeling that I'm helping people like this

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And the important differentiator, as Rammy states, is "legal" - Mr Alexander is out of order, imho, conflating avoidance and evasion; that is like conflating receipt of benefits and fiddling benefits - totally inappropriate.

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I sense some preaching to the converted going on here. Trying to soothe the souls of those on the left of the Lib Dems concerned about cuts and some tax rises with this rhetoric. Rhetoric is the only word I can think of to describe it too sadly.

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Until they close the loopholes this is somewhat of an own goal. However as costs go, the non payment of taxes by whatever means actually loses the government far far more than ever the cost of payments to benefit cheats. Yet not paying taxes if you are wealthy is seen as morally superior to a few falsely claiming benefits.

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Coincidentally, a day or two ago, I heard Simon Hughes being interviewed about these apparent double standards on the part of Danny Alexander and all he could do was to suggest that 'with the benefit of hindsight' his colleague probably wouldn't have done it.... :rolleyes:

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Thats because tax avoidance is legal (utilising the framework the govt has itself put in place)whereas claiming benifits you aren't entitled to is not :shrug:

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No. He should ensure the laws are written to stop this sort of thing from being legal.

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first time I have heard of someone being called a cheat for following the rules...

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Laws have a spirit as well as a letter. Hence the phrase 'that's just not cricket'.

The tax system is used in the UK to raise revenue but also to encourage or discourage certain patterns of behaviour. All of that unfortunately means it can be very complex. There are therefore certain ways to avoid tax, legally, that were not intended to exist. It may be legal to take advantage of them, but it IMO it is morally questionable, especially when those who are able to exploit such unintended loopholes tend to be those who can afford to pay an accountant to find them and arrange their affairs accordingly.

In medieval times, the nobility used their power and influence to avoid paying taxes. Things in this regard have not changed as much as they perhaps should have.

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There again NOT declaring income in order to avoid paying tax on it should be just as illegal as claiming benefits you are not entitled to, even if it was only because the forms are so complicated you have made a genuine mistake. The person committing the former offence will be held up as a jolly clever chap, where the latter is considered ****. Yet both have committed an offence.

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Not by HMRC - they will fine you, and add penalties, for undeclared income.

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I don't thinkg cricket is the sport to use as model of honest and trustworthy behaviour anymore.


Surely it should be 'that's just not snooker.'... perhaps not. :D

It is the tax laws that need to be changed. If profits are earned in this country then an appropriate level should be paid on here. It shouldn't be allowed to be paid tax free to the MD's spouse who happens to have a main address in taxhavenia or one of it's off shore principalities.

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Then the onus is on the law to change to prevent such occurrences.

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Good! It doesn't address the point of public opinion favouring the tax dodger over the benefit cheat though.

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:clap:

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There are some of us who feel we are taxed far too much (especially when we consider what uses the tax money is often put to) and therefore have no moral qualms about ensuring we pay no more than we strictly have to.....

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afaik, it is :shrug:

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Our tax rules are over complicated and extremely confusing to deal with and whilst i personally see tax evasion as the same as benefit fraud i don't see people saving themself from paying more tax then they have too in the same light. I think it is time for a complete rewrite of the tax legislation with many of the worst loopholes being closed as right now people not paying tax they should account for a far bigger loss to this country then benefit fraud ever will. Someone already paying highish amounts of tax and trying to save themselves a few quid is clearly not in the same league as fraud of any type.

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No, but I have been cheated out of money by the unfair system.