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Saaf_laandon_mo 17-09-2010 13:13

School playtime effected because of noise complaints
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-11340226

Surely when choosing to buy a property near a school, one would have been aware of the possibility of noise at playtime.

Ignitionnet 17-09-2010 13:16

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Pathetic.

PeteLockwood 17-09-2010 13:17

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amazingly selfish

Mick Fisher 17-09-2010 14:45

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Ridiculous.

jb66 17-09-2010 14:58

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Scandalous

Maggy 17-09-2010 15:03

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Best sound in the world is innocence at play..A child's laugh is priceless and the one thing that no one in their right mind would compare to the really irritating crappy noises we are subjected to all the time.

As for the officials and the governors actually acceding to these complaints they should be ashamed..I'm positive the noise abatement laws were never meant to be used in this manner.:rolleyes:

Pity I can't complain about the stupid pigeons and roosting starlings that are incredibly noisy in comparison to the junior and infants school behind my house but there is no way that wild birds can be served with a noise abatement order.

Frankly every time the children are out playing I enjoy the sound.There is not enough joy in the world.:)

Osem 17-09-2010 15:06

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We live close to an infant/junior school and the sound of the children out playing is just wonderful. Anyone who complains about this sort of thing desperately needs to get a life!

Pauls9 17-09-2010 15:13

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I'd tend to agree with you Maggie and Osem. Kids should be left to be kids. I recall when I was at nursery school, being reported to my parents because a neighbour didn't like the noise us kids were making while playing in the garden. Seemed grossly unfair at the time, even though the nursery was a normal house in the middle of an estate.

Although we now have six under 12s, plus friends at times, next door playing on their trampoline, shouting and screaming at each other (as well as the father yelling at them whenever some transgression occurs) - all day every day during the holidays and at weekends. It doesn't seem fair to complain. To keep our sanity, we take frequent short breaks away instead.

Maggy 17-09-2010 15:30

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Originally Posted by Pauls9 (Post 35093149)
I'd tend to agree with you Maggie and Osem. Kids should be left to be kids. I recall when I was at nursery school, being reported to my parents because a neighbour didn't like the noise us kids were making while playing in the garden. Seemed grossly unfair at the time, even though the nursery was a normal house in the middle of an estate.

Although we now have six under 12s, plus friends at times, next door playing on their trampoline, shouting and screaming at each other (as well as the father yelling at them whenever some transgression occurs) - all day every day during the holidays and at weekends. It doesn't seem fair to complain. To keep our sanity, we take frequent short breaks away instead.

I have a 3 year old living next door..when she's having a paddy it's mighty noisy but I brought up kids who were similarly as noisy but the neighbours coped.Actually she's become a bit of a singer..it's rather charming to listen to her as she climbs the slide and plays with her toys.
On the other side we have a mixture of teenagers and smaller children.Listening to them I'm pleased my days of bringing up my own teenagers is over..but it makes me smile rather than get cross.

Angua 17-09-2010 16:53

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People who live or move near a primary school should be well aware of the noise. It is not all day and not at weekends. Does seem like the school has acted in haste before proper noise monitoring has taken place. Panicking over a potential noise abatement order without waiting for results. As the winter gets closer the children will be stuck inside often enough without having to juggle breaks around the weather as well. The complainers should be ashamed of themselves and I suspect were it discovered who they are, they will not have a pleasant time.

It is as daft as people moving close to an airport & then complaining about the noise.

Caff 17-09-2010 17:37

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35093214)
People who live or move near a primary school should be well aware of the noise. It is not all day and not at weekends. Does seem like the school has acted in haste before proper noise monitoring has taken place. Panicking over a potential noise abatement order without waiting for results. As the winter gets closer the children will be stuck inside often enough without having to juggle breaks around the weather as well. The complainers should be ashamed of themselves and I suspect were it discovered who they are, they will not have a pleasant time.

It is as daft as people moving close to an airport & then complaining about the noise.

Good points.:tu:

The owner of a lovely bungalow adjacent to a local, very large primary school tries to sell it durung the summer breaks but it never sells.

I wonder how those residents cope with outdoor PE lessons, after school footy, rugger, cricket and netball matches, sports day, and the annual fete :rolleyes:

I'm surprised the local council didn't defend the noise (assuming it wasn't verbally offensive).
Break times are so important for social interaction, refreshment and exercise (and that's just the staff! :D).

Gary L 17-09-2010 17:49

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It's ridiculous when a complaint about noise from a school playground is upheld.

it's a bit like your complaint about the smell of curry coming from next door being taken seriously.

papa smurf 17-09-2010 17:59

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recently a local kids playground was shut and all the swings etc removed because of complaints of the noise of children at play .
what kind of world would it be without the sound of children ?
these people who complain where obviously born as adults so have no memory of the joy of childhood [miserable gits].

Taf 17-09-2010 18:03

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A daughter of a woman inherited a new build flat near us got the council recycling centre next door closed for months until "noise reducing walls" were put up (at cost to the council).

Recycling centre had been in situ since I was a young lad, the flats were built about 4 years ago.

Similarily new homes were built opposite a bakery factory that had operated for decades. New residents played merry hell until the bakery installed soundproofing, etc.

These people would expect mufflers to be fitted to aircraft if they moved in to new build homes near the airport.

Escapee 17-09-2010 18:05

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I guess it depends which came first, the resident who complained or the school. We had a bit of a scare when the local Labour authority were planning to build a school in the street that I live in. Although in that instance the main concern was the traffic not noise, the fact that I would not buy a house close to a school is clear that I would not wish fo one to be built near me.

It does seem to be a bit of a double standard when it comes to complaint of noise. I recall one of the local pubs receiving complaints from a pensioner complex built directly opposite, and the council were involved with threats to remove the pubs licence.

Were the pensioners justified to complain, the pub had been there for over 100 years and the pensioner complex was newly built. I say the council were to blame for building teh complex near to a busy public house.

The local school threat is long gone, they built a hostel for the homeless on the site instead. Now we only need a short walk to the end of the street to buy our cannabis, cocaine or speed etc.

ps. Looking at that school on Google street view and it looks fairly new to me.

martyh 17-09-2010 20:10

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Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 35093242)
ps. Looking at that school on Google street view and it looks fairly new to me.

I would agree ,it looks brand spanking new on the website and on street view

http://www.barlbycommunityprimaryschool.co.uk/

bearing that in mind local residents may not have wished for the school to built there and may have objected in the planning stages
Still think that whoever objected is being a bit small minded ,would be interesting to know how many people objected

Maggy 17-09-2010 20:42

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It may well look new but it is built on the outskirts of the village/town and the playground is opposite the children's play area in the local park..There is a fair bit of open space all around three sides of the school as well.


I like street view..:)

martyh 17-09-2010 20:46

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35093318)
It may well look new but it is built on the outskirts of the village/town and the playground is opposite the children's play area in the local park..There is a fair bit of open space all around three sides of the school as well.


I like street view..:)

yes i had noted that ,it's not like the school is smack in the middle of a housing estate ,i think it has been thoughtfully located

beeman 17-09-2010 21:24

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Originally Posted by Caff (Post 35093228)
I'm surprised the local council didn't defend the noise (assuming it wasn't verbally offensive).

Of cause a council isnt allowed to out right rubbish a complaint it has received without investigating it, however i think this quote from a council rep comes (proberlly) as close as their allowed to in defending the school....

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A spokeswoman for North Yorkshire County Council said it was aware of complaints made by some of the school's neighbours to the environmental health department at Selby District regarding "excessive noise".

"We are not satisfied that a statutory noise nuisance exists from what amounts to normal use of the school and playground areas," she added
I think this is more a case to the school acting too rashly after receiving the complaint. They should have waited for the councils investigation.

PeteLockwood 17-09-2010 21:40

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regardless of weather people wanted the school or not, fact being if they DID NOT build the school they would complain i would happily sacrifice just a few MINUTES of "quiet time" so my child (and everybody else's) could be educated, this type of thing is typical of this country

danielf 17-09-2010 22:01

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Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 35093242)

The local school threat is long gone, they built a hostel for the homeless on the site instead. Now we only need a short walk to the end of the street to buy our cannabis, cocaine or speed etc.

That's nice. All the mod cons just a short walk away...

Angua 17-09-2010 22:55

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New estates above a certain size are just about guaranteed to have a new primary school included as part of the planning gain. So no surprises there. You can also guarantee they will be popular and have a surprisingly wide catchment area with children from all over the locality. No new school will turn down pupils who bring funding as they need as much as they can get.

Caff 17-09-2010 22:55

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Originally Posted by beeman (Post 35093339)
Of cause a council isnt allowed to out right rubbish a complaint it has received without investigating it, however i think this quote from a council rep comes (proberlly) as close as their allowed to in defending the school....



I think this is more a case to the school acting too rashly after receiving the complaint. They should have waited for the councils investigation.

I suspect it's a case of 'Well they are not MY kids so I don't want to hear it' for whatever reason.

The complainers should be invited to the school to share the activities in the school whatever they may be, I think. An extra pair of hands is always welcome at any time - CRBs allowing :)

rogerdraig 18-09-2010 16:38

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they should remove all those governing that school i personaly cant see they can be considered to be putting the children they have responsibilty for first they are just covering thier backs

Stuart 18-09-2010 19:21

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35093143)
Frankly every time the children are out playing I enjoy the sound.There is not enough joy in the world.:)

Same here.

When was the school built? The reason I ask is that if the school was added after a lot of residents, they may have a legitimate complaint. If it was before, then, TBH, they should have factored it in when they moved.

It's like people moving into new housing estates around Heathrow and Gatwick, then complaining about the noise of the planes.

Also, another example of this. Not nearly as nice as the noise of kids playing, but a few years ago, they installed a new automatic announcer at Lewisham station. Despite no residents living within 100 metres of the station (indeed, beyond a cafe, a dry cleaners, a (frankly disgusting) pub, a bus station and a branch of MFI, there were no buildings within a hundred metres of the station, they started turning off the announcer at 7pm, and reduced the volume to the point were even if you are standing directly beneath the speaker, it is quieter than talking volume, citing complaints from local residents.

Maggy 18-09-2010 21:25

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35093804)
Same here.

When was the school built? The reason I ask is that if the school was added after a lot of residents, they may have a legitimate complaint. If it was before, then, TBH, they should have factored it in when they moved.

It's like people moving into new housing estates around Heathrow and Gatwick, then complaining about the noise of the planes.

Also, another example of this. Not nearly as nice as the noise of kids playing, but a few years ago, they installed a new automatic announcer at Lewisham station. Despite no residents living within 100 metres of the station (indeed, beyond a cafe, a dry cleaners, a (frankly disgusting) pub, a bus station and a branch of MFI, there were no buildings within a hundred metres of the station, they started turning off the announcer at 7pm, and reduced the volume to the point were even if you are standing directly beneath the speaker, it is quieter than talking volume, citing complaints from local residents.

Where it is built is on the outskirts of the town next to a bypass.In fact it has three sides which are open spaces..only on one side is housing is next to the school and the playground is away from that side.

vaishali1997 18-09-2010 22:20

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35093143)
Best sound in the world is innocence at play..A child's laugh is priceless and the one thing that no one in their right mind would compare to the really irritating crappy noises we are subjected to all the time.

As for the officials and the governors actually acceding to these complaints they should be ashamed..I'm positive the noise abatement laws were never meant to be used in this manner.:rolleyes:

Pity I can't complain about the stupid pigeons and roosting starlings that are incredibly noisy in comparison to the junior and infants school behind my house but there is no way that wild birds can be served with a noise abatement order.

Frankly every time the children are out playing I enjoy the sound.There is not enough joy in the world.:)

lol but we don't really play; we just chat :)))

Maggy 18-09-2010 23:01

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Originally Posted by vaishali1997 (Post 35093919)
lol but we don't really play; we just chat :)))

That's because you are 13..junior school children are more likely to play than teenagers.:)

vaishali1997 19-09-2010 19:51

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35093958)
That's because you are 13..junior school children are more likely to play than teenagers.:)

Lol...wish we were allowed makeup in school...but otherwise people wouldn't concentrate in lessons ... :(((

Hom3r 19-09-2010 20:05

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The main trouble here is that the council doesn't have the balls to tell them to "GET STUFFED, they are kids playing"

Flyboy 22-09-2010 12:29

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This really pee's me off. These people knew they were buying a house next to a school, so what did they expect? It's like buying a house next to a railway line and complaining to the rail company about the noise the rains make. The school should not have pre-empted anything at all. They should have engaged with the local residents and come up with a mutually agreeable conclusion. The local residents should have footed the bill for the fence, or just simply have grown some hedges.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35093311)
I would agree ,it looks brand spanking new on the website and on street view

http://www.barlbycommunityprimaryschool.co.uk/

bearing that in mind local residents may not have wished for the school to built there and may have objected in the planning stages
Still think that whoever objected is being a bit small minded ,would be interesting to know how many people objected

It's been there for at least six years, it had an OFSTED in two thousand and four. I doubt it would have had one the year it was commissioned, so perhaps after about three years. That would make it at least about nine or ten years old. Our school's buildings look new, if presented well in a photograph, but it was built over forty years ago. The part of the building pictured in the link could have been a recent addition, for example.

Hugh 22-09-2010 12:33

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You are absolutely right, fb.

From the school's website
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The main section of the school was built in 1925, with additional extensions in 1992 and 1999. Our new early years unit was opened last year.

Flyboy 22-09-2010 12:47

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So the school has been there for eighty-five years, a lot longer than most of the residents; I shouldn't think there would be many of them left who witnessed the ground breaking on that site. In the last eight-five years there have been over forty-five thousand play-times and they have waited until now to complain? I'm going to guess it is someone who has spent too much on buying their house and wants to moan about having to put up with listening to children playing. They either have never had children or are too old to remember.

joglynne 22-09-2010 12:59

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From Hugh's link above.
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The main section of the school was built in 1925, with additional extensions in 1992 and 1999. Our new early years unit was opened last year.

I suspect it could be the the new Early Years Unit that has prompted the complaints. I have no problem whatsoever with the sounds of children playing but maybe this new unit was just one disturbance too many.

I do agree with a previous poster that the school acted prematurely though and should have waited for a full investigation by the Council before giving in to the complaints.

Flyboy 22-09-2010 13:04

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I can't see toddlers making that much more noise than the rest of the school.

joglynne 22-09-2010 13:43

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Neither can I but for someone with a bee in their bonnet it was probably a good excuse to have a go at the school.

Tuftus 22-09-2010 14:10

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35096072)
I can't see toddlers making that much more noise than the rest of the school.

ORLY?

Ever been to a supermarket when a toddler is kicking off? :p:

Pass the duck tape please... ;)

Stuart 22-09-2010 14:26

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Toddlers are capable of making a staggering amount of noise. Particularly if there is a group

Flyboy 22-09-2010 14:43

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35096114)
So true. That high pitched "I'm not getting my way" scream is just aweful. You didn't used to hear that. Multiplied two or three hundred fold would be my idea of pure hell. But then I wouldn't buy a house near a school or recreation ground.

I think the buyers of the house only have themselves to blame for not doing their homework on the area, complaining is just so selfish. We get people down here buying places next to the local airport (Shoreham) and then complaining about the light aircraft, conveneintly forgetting that the airport was built in 1910 and most of the houses post 2nd war all round the airfield.

Then there's those terrible townies that buy a place in the country and then moan about the smells, cows mooing or cockerells crowing.:rolleyes:

My flying club has a similar issue with neighbours. Three houses have been built, in the last four years, by some Z-listers, at the end of our runway. They never fail to complain at least once week. I can't imagine the conversations they had with their architects, agents, managers, builders and planning consultants:

"Aerodrome? Just build it and I'll use my celebrity status to close it down when it's finished!" LOL, they haven't even made a dent. In fact, I have heard it being suggested that some pilots extend their take-off roll a bit more now, just to pee them off. I can't see it myself, because that would not be very good practice. ;)

Maggy 22-09-2010 14:49

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35096108)
Toddlers are capable of making a staggering amount of noise. Particularly if there is a group

Not that much Stuart..anyway if anyone cares to check the school is mostly away from most of the housing..If they care to try Google street view that is.

Flyboy 22-09-2010 14:53

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Indeed, I shouldn't think it makes much difference to the ambient noise of the playground. In fact, the afternoon session is less likely to be as noisy as the mornings, as many of the toddlers would have gone home at lunchtime.

Maggy 22-09-2010 15:03

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35096123)
My flying club has a similar issue with neighbours. Three houses have been built, in the last four years, by some Z-listers, at the end of our runway. They never fail to complain at least once week. I can't imagine the conversations they had with their architects, agents, managers, builders and planning consultants:

"Aerodrome? Just build it and I'll use my celebrity status to close it down when it's finished!" LOL, they haven't even made a dent. In fact, I have heard it being suggested that some pilots extend their take roll a bit more now, just to pee them off. I can't see it myself, because that would not be very good practice. ;)

Just like the prats who moved next to HMS Daedalus which was the Navy Airfield since before WW one and the site for over 40 years of air and sea rescue helecopters and have the temerity to want to get the service moved now the MOD have left...Just where they think it should go I'm not sure but as it is ideally situated right by The Solent one of the busiest water ways on the south coast of England they are completely out of luck.:)

chris9991 23-09-2010 14:45

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All change!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-11395953

joglynne 23-09-2010 14:54

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Nice to see that the support given to the school has prompted some common sense to be applied.

martyh 23-09-2010 18:05

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excellent result

rogerdraig 23-09-2010 19:55

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Governers should still go for even considering it IMHO


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