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I was staggered when l heard this on Sky News this morning, to save money, they are shedding 1400 staff.

What the hell is wrong with this damn government, These staff who will be let go, will go onto the benefit system until a new job is found, and therefore the crime will go up, in this area.

There will be no officers on the ground, the back up staff will be trimmed, are the government thick and stupid, Public safety is paramount, so what does the home office think of our safety, and where will the cuts go next.:mad:

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Here's a handy link about this story.

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Ouch!

Anyway time for some perspective. Regular sworn-in officers *cannot* be made redundant (trade off for all the restrictions on their private lives etc.) so all that will happen is the ones retiring won't be replaced like for like and some of the sick/injured will be pensioned off early.

That said the ones going for early retirement won't go onto the benefits system and I'm not convinced that law abiding folks automatically go onto the crack and start car jacking and drivebys purely from losing their job so the crime thing isn't a huge issue.

There is a lot of fat in the Police that could be trimmed quite easily. Sadly I'm pretty sure they ones sitting in a comfy office will find a way to survive and the ones on the front line will end up more and more stretched.

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:gpoint:

Unfortunately very true. It appears the more time you have 'not to do your job' the safer you can make yourself.

Now why do HR sections spring to mind?

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A little off topic, but still a public service - our NHS trust is merging with another, so therefore we will have double the HR staff required right? Watch this space, somehow HR never come out of things bad IMO ;)

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Thats exactly what I was thinking of.

Up till a few years ago where I work all HR functions were done in house. Then they brought in an HR manager, one of their first decisions was they needed an assistant...

Now to me thats admitting you aren't up to the job... Same with other departments that have their own empires and seem to multiply when you aren't looking.

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Looks like 40,000 police jobs could be "in danger".

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Seems pretty simple to me. Anyone whose job involves collecting/collating statistics or anything to do with government targets should be waltzed out of the door as a matter of priority.

Leave the people that actually DO the job to get on with it.

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Funnily enough these cuts have been on the cards since well before this May's election - a quick google will show that. No need for lazy political shots on what is a valid discussion

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so ? if the military is getting cut why not the overpayed police force ?

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Thank you for your contribution to the thread - your opinion is important to us, and we will get back to you with an update/riposte as soon as we can be bothered.....;)

*it's spelt overpaid, and I don't believe they are....

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you dont think they are ?

25k basic, soldier 17 basic who got the most challenging job i wonder ? certainly not them fat.... people... who sit on there ass and beat protesters to death and throw women in the concrete floor just for the crack ? hmmm

it is about time the police suffered in the budget cuts almost everybody else does, why not them ?

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A rather generalised, and biased opinion there.

Simple question. Would you want a job where at any time of the day or night (depending on your shift pattern) you could be sent somewhere where some drugged up idiot is threatening you with a knife and all you've got is a stab vest, batton, and spray for defence (and the latter won't stop someone on drugs, and they are unlikely to feel the pain of being struck by the batton), or being sent to clear up the mess of a fatal car crash involving kids, or .......

The point isn't that the regular police officer is overpaid, but perhaps that the military personnel are underpaid.

But we digress as this thread is about cuts to police force manpower. We know that the books need to be balanced. We know that some tough choices have to be made. What we don't know is how much fat there is still left that can be trimmed away before realistically the services can no longer meet the needs or expectations of the public. Certainly in Surrey (one of the smaller forces), they've been whinging for years that the grants are inadequate relative to those received by other forces, and they've thus been cutting back for years. They already have poilice office counters staffed entirely by volunteers (Cobham), community speed watch using volunteers with radar guns and such like, all things that I would have expected to be dealt with by employed staff. Even so there still seem to be many committees and working groups for this that and the other of which I wonder how many people are really achieving anything?

One wonders if the Hampshire proposals are just the edge of the thin blue line becoming a strand that is ready to snap?

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Arthur stop posting bull plop. People only read your posts to give them a laugh

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I suppose the only harder job would be an English teacher to try and teach you some correct spelling and grammar...

Anyway I'm fairly fit, not fat, haven't beaten any protestors to death (in fact I'm lagging behind in the whole causing death stakes), and haven't thrown any women into a concrete floor in the last few months.

I suppose I'm just slacking off then?

Actually I think the wages the Police receive are pretty fair, although I'd make some changes such as giving front line cops a shift allowance to make it a more enticing prospect than an office job.

There are some places that budget cuts could be made for the Police but sadly they will probably come from the front line and not where the cuts could easily be made.

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Or get threatened by someone with a handgun and hand grenades... :shocked:

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/196764-g...arrest-of-man/

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To be honest there are lots post here knocking the police who would never stand up and be counted and are willing to fight the fight on a forum but would never put there neck on the line for real.

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why not cut police pay then no jobs go and they will still be on far above what they actually deserve ?

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you know nothing about me, or what i do so why post such a comment ?

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Did i say you NO, ????

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it was kind of obvious... back to topic..

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Then your wrong i was aiming it at all of this forum's arm chair generals

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i apologize.

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:clap: :clap:

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Ok I'll bite. What does a cop 'deserve' to be paid?

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as much as a soldier ? (and overtime should ONLY be normal rate)

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:rolleyes:

Ok, I'll suggest that your average cop has a level of training and responsibility about the same as a Corporal or Sergeant. Fair?

Assuming you agree (you won't but I don't particularly care) their levels of pay are between 26-36k which is pretty damn close to the levels of pay Police officers enjoy.

http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/benefits/...s/Soldier.aspx

And why should overtime, currently time and a third, be at normal rate? It kind of defeats the whole object of overtime!

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no i dont agree when your fresh out of training boom your on 25k a soldier on 17, but unlike some im not joining because im a money grabbing selfish SOB :)

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Maybe because they don't. On commencing service the starting salary for a cop is £23,259 but why let facts get in the way of your hysterical anti-cop rants.

And I'm quite sure you not joining the Police is a great shame that forces up and down the country will be terribly upset about. :D

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not police army.. and 25k was not an exact figure but i was very close..

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Why does the idea of PeteL joining the police make me think of Constable Savage?

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/09/51.gif

:D

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In my opinion there is a huge difference between the 'standard' requirements for passing basic training in the Army & the Police Force.

In the Army the bottom line is that you can do the drill, take orders & 'fit in'.

The Police Force is more about individual performance - much of the work a Police Officer has to do is 'one on one' in that they are often required to deal with situations before any potential backup is available.

PeteL - to be honest if I was your basic training instructor I would fail you on the basis you have pre-conceived attitudes that might affect your ability to take orders - for example if you were required to support the Police ....

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Training in the police is much more tougher, the stress is unreal, and l was a special, and my son is a PCSO, and what l believe is happening is totally appalling, the crime rate will go up, if the forces have to cut jobs, it will put more pressure onto forces, to provide front line officers.

If a member of your family goes out and gets attacked, and you require 'frontline' officers to turn up, there won't be any, and people will start moaning, 'where is the old bill when you need them' local officers will be cut, my son has been told that they are employing more 'specials' why ? becuase they volunteer, he has been told, pack in the police and become a special, if you want to wear a policeman uniform.

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To be honest there are a few i would aim that at :LOL:

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Not being funny but they havnt actually said they will be cutting front line services have they (unless I missed something) I would assume there are plenty of paper-pushing backroom staff that could\would go before the guys\gals on the street are pushed onto the dole\made redundant\take redundancy voluntarily.

Also if the present government keep their promise of cutting paperwork & red tape that the police have to deal with in relation to a crime, by streamlining that part of the work would allow an officer to get back on the street quicker therefore there would be room to cut some front line officers as well as backroom staff so in effect crime shouldnt go up even if less police were employed by the said force.
Hope that makes some sense :dunce:

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This country needs MORE on the streets, NOT LESS, Crime WILL increase, when any member of this forum gets robbed or beaten up in the street or gets or needs the police, and there arnt any, people will whing like hell.

Crime will increase so much it will be like America.

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Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

Keep calm, and carry on.

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Whilst there may be scope for cutting some paperwork, primarily stuff that is collecting statistics and targets on this that and the other, most paperwork related to crime will remain. Unless Defence Lawyers are going to roll over and ignore technicalities that procedures weren't followed, the paperwork saying they were will still be required in exhaustive detail. Yes there is a phenomenal amount of paperwork, but most of that is directly attributable to court procedures. If savings are to be made then one needs to look at the real area of inefficiency in the justice system, the court procedures.

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Damn right. And the seat-polishers at the top of the heap are not going to let go without a fight.

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...esa-may-shock/

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Sussex Police have also announced 1050 jobs are at risk: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-11288184

No doubt other police forces will be making similar announcements in the near future.

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:rolleyes:

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greater manchester is also shedding a load.. perhaps i was a bit of a tit in what i said did not realise this would affect so many people :(

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This government is a disgrace for even thinking about this. Cutbacks is one thing, but ripping the police forces to bits is another.

I think that idiot Cameron and the puppet, should get rid of the staff that they have to save money, and stop feburbing building that don't need it. What they are doing is allowing crime to increase, this is similar to what thhat bitch Thatcher did with the poll tax, and that was anarchy on our streets.

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unfortunately arthur things like this are inevitable we as a country are in a desperate situation as you know and there is always going to be bad decisions made during the cost cutting i dont understand why trident is going ahead personaly (silo's would be a cheaper alternative?)

ps, not just the police the armed forces are also to be shafted and the entire tax paying population if these planned strikes by pretty much the entire civil sector workforce go ahead

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"fefurbing"?

Even for you, Arthur, that's gibberish.

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Erm, Trident is a moving target, unlike silos.....

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yes i am aware except enough of them and it would be suicide to attack surely during all the cuts there has to be a cheaper alternative thats all im saying

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Come on then arfur spell it out for us HOW WOULD YOU RUN THIS COUNTRY???

How would you deal with 13 years of the Labour Gov, spending their way into creating what we have now. Please tell us.


Oh & I was wondering how long it was before you brought Maggie into the fray

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Quite simply this country has been run disastrously, even the Thatcher years, But then the Tory would make cutbacks like the way they are doing now, the last time they were in power, they reduced the country to a shambles.

The first thing l would do, is Increase the Police service, at the moment people are scared to walk the streets, due to robberies, rapes and murders, The way l would reduce the billions of pounds that the government is talking about, is reduce the government buildings that are a waste of time, l would freeze all building works on government building, it was said last year that a TORY MP paid £40.000 to redecorate his office, we have to save money, but l would do this at the top,.

We need Hospital staff, we need education, we need vital services, we can get cuts through national wastage, people who retire etc we need investment and this will not be done, if we get rid of these services, we work for the future, can you imagine if a hospital was closed down, the staff would be on the dole, and it us us who pay the benefit in taxes. All this government are doing is saving money for there own pocket.

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arthur we cant afford the force we have that is the whole point, so where do you propose the money comes from to increase it ? it would mean another department getting the chop?

do this at the top, where would you start ?

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THE UK IS BROKE.WE HAVE NO MONEY.WE ONLY HAVE DEBTS AND WE ARE PAYING SO MUCH INTEREST ON THE MONEY WE BORROWED THAT WE WILL BE PAYING OFF THE LOAN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

how come you don't get the above Arthur.How do you not understand just how much debt we have?Where is the money to come from to pay for extra police?£40,000 will not cover more than twp policemen.

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So when was the golden age, Arthur? - when kiddies could walk the streets safely, and people could leave their doors unlocked, and Dixon of Dock Green patrolled the alleys and byways of your febrile imagination.

Your posts read as if someone has cut words out of a newspaper, thrown them up in the air, then typed them out in the order they landed - sense words make not do your.

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it would take 25,000 MPs saving £40,000 each to save just one billion pounds of debt - however there are only 650 MPs - do you intend increasing the number of MPs to make your plan work, Arthur?

Can you read that back to yourself then try to explain to the rest of us what you actually mean, please.

- apparently we 'work for the future' by getting rid of education & hospital staff, according to you?

Can you also explain what you mean by the government 'saving money for their own pocket' ?

- I thought they had to reduce expenditure to pay back massive debts ? :shrug:

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Having just read this thread in it's entirety i have come to the conclusion that
a) we are all going to die a horrible death via robbery,mugging,murder and general mayhem ,or
b)Arthurs madder than a mad thing from the planet mad

mmmm which is it i wonder :scratch:

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I just hope that there will be a general strike in this country, to get rid of this crap government and what they are doing.

I watched a prog tonight, and the kick back of these cutback will be bad, and yet we have members saying where is this money coming from, I would rather a country that can generate work, and not cripple it.

I hope to god that especially in the country, there isn't anything drastic happens, as there will be no emergency services to cover it.

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It must be awful, living in fear.

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That settles it then ,the countries screwed ,gone to hell in a handbasket ,i'm off to Mars on the next available flight

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Right. They've this plan of cuts so that they can divert the money to their own pockets. Or it could be that there's a rather huge debt that we are putting onto the next generation's shoulders.

Personally for all your wittering about investment I'm not prepared to saddle my daughter with a ton of debt because I find not having the kind of services she'll end up only being able to dream of abhorrent.

The books balanced pre-Labour, they'll balance post Labour. At some point hopefully people will also learn again to look after themselves as they did before.

You've a really simple choice Arthur. Deal with the cuts or pay a lot more tax. I do mean a lot more, because right now the spending is a lot more than the tax income.

Except we can't pay a lot more tax because if we do companies and individuals will simply go and do their business elsewhere and we lose out.

The measures you mention won't be nearly enough. Aside from them being totally contradictory to other things you say they make little sense.

Yes we need vital services, what we don't need is Labour's apparent vision of there being a public sector worker to wipe our arses for us. We will still have vital municipal services when this process is done, the NHS will not be carved up, education will still work and, who knows, once people get it through their heads that 50% of the country are simply not cut out for University and stop trying to push them there and get some vocations going the economy might end up rebalanced more sustainably.

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Cognitive dissonance, or what.

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Hmmm So what you are saying arfur is that we should continue ad infinitum the way we have been going over tha last 13 years. You really need to get a grip on life my fiend (yes) because your planet isnt the same as the one the rest of us are living on.

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Sorry Arthur, the company I work for has increased turnover & earnings by over 10%, given us a pay rise & a decent bonus & are introducing an enhanced pension scheme - I doubt we will have many people, here, in favour of a general strike....

This country CAN generate work, but it takes everyone working together to achieve it - general strikes are not the way to do this, in my opinion.

Of course the 'kick-back' is going to be bad - WE OWE BILLIONS & BILLIONS OF POUNDS - stop denying that & become a part of the solution, not the problem.

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....don't t ypu all realise that the 13 years prior to May were all wonderful & tickety-boo and totally turned the country round after the nasty Maggie n John years. It's all gone totally to put since Dastardly Dave & nasty Nick took over in May....:erm:

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I think Arthur's got the new selective reading syndrome as well as selective hearing and that old condition I call selective understanding syndrome.;)

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I believe that that's an experiment which has been tried in a few different places and failed every time, Cuba being the most recent example.

Which part of this don't you understand?

Labour's public sector enlargement is unfunded and was based on an incorrect assumption that the economy would constantly grow. It has to be rolled back else we go into deeper debt. We go into deeper debt we end up paying more interest and having our credit rating dropped which increases the interest rate even higher. Paying more interest means we have to either increase taxes in order to maintain the level of services or cut those services. If we increase taxes too much tax receipts overall will drop as people avoid paying them, lose their jobs due to companies being unable to afford them or relocating and various other factors.

I would rather a country that empowers citizens and companies to generate work within the private sector rather than crippling them by trying to keep people in work employing them itself and taxing those it doesn't employ senseless to do so.

I realise this is a bizarre concept to some, the idea of government helping people to be the solution rather than trying to do everything itself with their money but that's how it's supposed to be in an economy such as ours. The Left wants to change this but they keep forgetting to tell people exactly how it's supposed to be paid for.

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Hmm, I know it won't work & I'm being naiive, but after reading the 'football' thread it struck me that we are happy to pay for sportsmen/women to earn £50,000 a week, but seem to baulk at paying £50,000 a year for a Police Officer.

- if the 75,000 people who attended the match in Manchester, earlier, were prepared to sponsor a Police Officer, instead of one of the players, they would, theoretically get 52 times more value for money ...

Cut the football players wages, factoring in the Sky Sports subscriptions, etc, & we could possibly fund a viable police force :shrug:

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Do we get to follow them around for 90 minutes a week for entertainment purposes?

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Have you never watched Road Wars, Night Cops, Street Crime UK etc?

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yes, good idea, cut the football players wages e.g. yaya toure £220k of city i mean he only pays over 100k a week in taxes he SINGLE handedly pays for 200 cops on 25k a year.... might be a ridiculous wage but they do pay tax you know...

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You may wish to investigate that a bit further, re dividends, deferred payments, interest-free loans, offshore trusts, offshore property portfolios, etc.....

Link1

Link2 Not just the evil bankers who try to avoid (not evade) tax, you know....

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i heard about this however it will get stopped and people will get fined (i should hope)

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Hey Arthur, you do know that New York cut crime while simultaneously reducing the size of the police force, or that all these cuts along with the wider ones will do is reduce the size of the public sector to around 2006 proportions?

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the sky wasn't falling and criminals weren't patrolling the streets randomly killing and maiming during the last decade.

It's simple really, if the police do as the Home Secretary has requested and stop the obsession with community PR and targets all will be fine. They are, however, openly defying this at this time through things like renaming these rating schemes and reinventing them. At some point they became so busy trying to do paperwork that they apparently are struggling with the addiction - bloated public sector bureaucracy at its' finest and one of Labour's worst legacies throughout the sector..

But no need to listen to me - http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...-they-know-it/ http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/the-naughty-step/

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you are wrong ignition! they are already roaming the streets and killing random people just because they are expecting cuts haha