France expels its gypsies
 

Special Investigation: As France expels its gipsies,

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0xskDv0fN



Sarkozy makes no bones about this no-nonsense approach. He claims that the Roma, many of whom arrived in France after Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007, are responsible for an outbreak of crime.

His solution? Raze their camps, round up their inhabitants and then stick them on a plane home. As a sweetener, there’s a payment of £245 per adult and £80 per child.

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that will give them their air fare to the U.K
that be there next stop.

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don't see what the fuss is about you're allowed to move to another country within the EU but you have to be able to support yourself, unfortunately for the gipsies stealing and begging doesn't count.

would never happen here, we're the doormats of europe.

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Only because we allow ourselves to be so.

One reason i admire the french is because they or their government take no s-it.

If only we could be the same.:rant:

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The Italians started this action against Roma... I hope it spreads right accross the globe.

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No, their government passes the problem on...

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Unless I'm missing something, it appears there's very little stopping the Roma from heading straight back to France... :confused: I wonder if the French authorities are hoping that their rough tactics might persuade them that France isn't a soft touch and the welfare grass is very much greener the other side of La Manche.

Back in the UK, operating under the same HR laws I'd have thought, the home office has recently come out on the wrong side of a ruling which makes fast track deportations of failed asylum seekers illegal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-2035648.html

How is it that similar rulings haven't apparently been sought and obtained on behalf of the Roma in France?

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To paraphrase Martin Niemöller

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Well as i understood it the gipsies are being returned to their country of origin not passed on,however if any do end up here it is up to us to act if we do not like it, rather like the french.All to often the uk is the dumping ground and whilst we tolerate it that is what will happen.


They are all Roma gipsies and must now make a ‘choice’ — sleep rough or be deported back to their native Romania. ( From the article)

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So long as they are willing to work on the "cheap" as illegals they will be welcomed by a proportion of UK employers. :(

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If the French Government are not doing something to ensure that the Romanian government doesn't just let them fly out again, then they are passing the problem on to the Romanian government, or whichever government governs the next country they land in.

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Er They are romanian nationals if the romanian governemnt does not take responsiblity for them who will.:confused:

It is not up to the French government surely to ensure that the Romanian government does not let them just fly out again,once they are repatriated surely that is the end of the matter as far as the french or any other government sending people back to their country of origin are concerned.

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If the Romanian Government does not deal with them, then they become the problem of whichever country they fly to next. Hence my assertion that if the French Government does not ensure the Romanian Government deal with them, that the French are just passing them on to someone else, and not actually dealing with the problem.

Just like the fact that while on the surface they are trying to deal with refugees in co-operation with our government, under the surface, they seem perfectly happy to do the minimum necessary so they appear to be tackling the problem, but actually letting them through the Channel Tunnel.

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Thats a fair enough point, but how do you suggest that the french government makes sure the romanian government deals with its repatriated citizens would it not take a EU directive to make this possible,rather then the french government.?

Surely it is up to our government to police immigration into our country, the french may do the minimum neccessary,but everytime i hear a uk minister say the words "we are a tolerant country" i just know that is code for the uks lax immigration policy,as regards economic migrants.

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well done, britain should take the same stance with all our unwanted guests

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This lot are not just unwanted, they are a major blight wherever they turn up. Many managed to get Czech citizenship when the country split in two... and that group have full legal rights to come here to work, unlike the Romanians who have restrictions upon them.

I have experienced their style of "integration" over here, and it quickly went from menial cleaning jobs to theft, prostitution, drug crime and general ignoring of our laws and customs. And I'm not talking about one or two persons but dozens of them!

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I think this is different. These people had an established location in Marseilles and the animosity towards them seems to have stemmed from typical migration/population issues that are the same as we have here when a newly formed immigrant group establishes a community in a certain area.

Also, the rather drastic approach they are taking is even worrying people within the government, such as the Prime Minister, who are not sympathetic to immigration but feel the government is going too far and is doing so for populist (political) reasons.

Besides, we really do not want to take lessons from France on how to deal with immigration. They do not handle it well at all, remember the race riots a few years ago? Remember the certain politician, then interior minister, whose reaction was praised by some sectors of the French population?

Worst of all these kind of action treats these people as sub-human. If something must be done then it should be measured, free from political posturing, and done without the level of hostility shown here. After all the reaction of some people towards the Roma seriously risks us dehumanizing them. Bad things happen after that.

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It does say in the article that the camps are illegal so i don't see what the problem is realy ,we deport illegal imigants...sometimes surely france has the same right

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Britain here we come.

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I thought you were here already, Arthur.....

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Someone once said "theres 3 thing wrong with France"

1. The food.
2. They speak French.
3. It's full of French people.

:D

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I like the food.

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I got the wrong plane, l like the frogs myself.

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I think I'd go crazy eating croissants and cheese all day.

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why should they not stay there? Everyone should have the right to live where they want as long as they are willing to work. Some people may think there were unwanted guests in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, but what happens?

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no they should not

They also should not be of detriment to the country.

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why not?

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because they are not always a benefit to the country

also the middle east would be empty and places like the UK quite cramped

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A fine idea in theory. What happens in practice? Two things.

1) You get a lot of people moving to a country because they can get well paid jobs there. This, in turn, can reduce the amount of jobs for the local population.

2) You get a situation where a country gets into trouble because most of it's skilled personnel are working in other countries. This is apparently happening in Poland where major building projects are having to employ people from other countries because the best qualified Polish people are living and working abroad. This, in turn, forces prices up in that country. Why is this? Simple. Countries that have a lot of workers leave for other countries (like Poland) often have low wages. This is also the attraction for the new employers of those workers, as they can pay them more than they would get in their native country, but still less than what local workers might want. In the mean time, companies in the country these workers come from still have vacancies to fill, so they need to look abroad. That means that not only do they have to match what the workers from much higher-paying countries want, but they have the expense of searching overseas for workers.

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From what I have seen of the Roma here (and that's a lot I can tell you), they came with the promise of wealth, but forgot to include taxes, rents, high prices, etc. into their calculations.

Most were/are actually worse off, especially as they had to have valid driving licences and tax, insure and MOT their cars. Plus their staples, alcohol and tobacco, are far more expensive in the UK.

Then they found that a guaranteed income came with children (Family Allowance and Child Tax Credits) so there was the start of a mini population explosion amongst their group.

Not that their offspring see much of that money.... it all seems to go on powerful gas-guzzling cars, widescreen TVs, branded sport footwear, tobacco and alcohol.

The family near me went from 3 kids to 5 in 18 months, the kids got no birthday or Xmas presents, were dressed car boot sale clothing (and sometimes clothing taken from inside charity recycling points and bags), and lived off pasta, bread and ketchup with occasional fruit or yoghurt. Their father paid for school meals for them for only a few months, fell into arrears with the school, so the kids went to school with cheapo crisps and biscuits.

They decided not to pay the rent to their landlord after about a year, even though they were receiving Housing Benefit to pay him. It took their landlord almost another year, and a lot of legal fees, to get them moved out. No rent paid for the entire period though! Many others of their extended family are now doing the same thing, then declaring themselves homeless and DEMANDING Council homes.

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All I think when I see this thread is that France have opened a can of worms.:erm:

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Indeed, pan fried avec ail, fines herbes, griselles et Pouilly Fume.

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Oh no! Pouilly Fuisse for that meal!

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Doesn't seem to be too much sympathy around for these people.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/839493-b...itting-suicide

Evidently, the recent killings in Bratislava involved Roma gypsies and I've yet to come across anyone we know from that part of the world who's done anything other than shrug their shoulders whilst stating something like "well these people are troublemakers..."

Are these people so disliked because they're troublemakers or are they troublemakers because they're so disliked?...

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Just to add - the wife's just told me that she was chatting about this awful tragedy yesterday to a friend who's over here from Bratislava for a few weeks. She too didn't seem to have one iota of sympathy for those concerned and confirmed that was the general view amongst her friends and family.... :confused:

If this is a true reflection of the depth of feeling of many of the local population perhaps it's no wonder that these gypsies turn up in other countries.

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Roma gypsies have long been the victims of systematic persecution whether they have been troublemakers or not.

Throughout time they have been persecuted wherever they have been. More recent examples have been the Nazis and the Czechs both of whom sought to either exterminate them or curtail their very procreation.

There's nothing new, or unusual, in european right wing politicians (or their followers) with fascist leanings electioneering by further persecuting them.

Funnily enough a 2007 UNICEF report identified 50,000 Romany children living as refugees in Germany.

You don't need to be a V2 rocket scientist to figure out what sort of allegations would be levelled at Germans / the German authorities if they attempted to forceably remove them or their parents from Germany. Why should the politicians or right wing neanderthals of France, Italy or indeed Northern Ireland for that matter be any different?

They're "easy pickings" - and historically always have been.

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Just found this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-2068112.html

Might what looks like a populist stunt backfire on Sarkozy?

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Aww bless 'em.

In that case they should be allowed to stay in their shanty town camps that they've built illegally, and they should be able to continue to work illegally, or run their various criminal rackets.

They've had enough hassle over the decades as it is.

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My point of their having been the victims of systematic persecution at the hands of right wing neanderthals, whether they have been troublemakers or not, is is aptly substantiated by your obvious "Tar 'em all with the one brush" attitude.

Well done my little gallic monikered ami.

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Some Gypsies can cause an awful lot of porblems, we have several in the London area, BUT we do have some in the countryside where they just turn up, and use ancient laws to take over land.

I actually saw about 20 caravans break into a site on the 316 near Twickenham, and called the police, and nothing was done to the convoy. The problem with country, is that we are far to soft, and other countries are looking after there people, whereas, this country would probabely arranged for a luxury line to look after them in the English Channel just to show good faith, that this country is alifeline.

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Arthur I think I understand what you are trying to say.

Yes, some gypsies can cause an awful lot of problems - but that is not to say that all gypsies (be they Romany or other types) are by definition trouble makers - unless of course one is minded to such parochial, xenophobic & racist opinions.

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Your point has no relevance whatsoever.

The facts are plain.

An influx of Romanians have decended on France (in this example). France did not invite them.

They have no money and no means to pay for accommodation.

They build a shanty town, they have no running water, drainage or sanitary amenities

The are involved in criminal activities.

The French authorities are doing the right thing by offloading them back to Romania. If they want to build a shanty town there they can, and the Romanian government can sort out their own mess. Why should France, or any other country have to deal with it.

These Romanians are not being persecuted, as you would romatically envisage. The fact is that these particular Romanians "are" troublemakers as they are in a place where they are not supposed to be, building a camp they are not supposed to build, being involved in criminal activity.

They could be Romanian, Dutch, English or marshian - they should be turfed out and sent back to Romania where I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms by the rest of the population who, I'm sure, have all been persecuted terribly and they can all build one big shanty town together and live happilly ever after.

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Whilst you've proved you can write it appears that sadly you can't read.

France & the EU are obliged to accomodate fellow European citzens. The UNICEF report which I linked to, together with various other quantifiable sources - somewhat more enlightened than your opinion on the matter - clearly identify persecution as a systemic issue as far as Roma gypsies are concerned.

Just because you don't think it to be so does not mean it isn't so.

Again your assertion "these particular Romanians "are" troublemakers" and "... involved in criminal activity" are as unfounded, generalistic and xenophobic as the very similar (and now politically disputed / challenged) rantings of Sarkozy(i) which you are parroting.

There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

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Perhaps Belfast would be the best place for all the Romanian Gypsies to set up camp, considering you are so concerned about their welfare. I would certainly be pleased to contribute to a fund to repatriate our local gypsies of Irish origin if you want those too.

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You Sir are the one who does not fully cook their information before digesting it.

EU countries are only obliged to accommodate fellow European citizens (if they intend to stay for more than 6 months) as long as the citizens entering the country have:

either be engaged in economic activity (on an employed or self-employed basis);
or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances;
or be following vocational training as a student and have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay;
or be a family member of a Union citizen who falls into one of the above categories

Given that these romanians are living in shanty town I doubt they qualify in any of the above conditions. And certainly anyone found to be involved in criminal activity can be expelled immediately.

The report you linked to covers South East Europe only, namely Albania, Bosnia Herzegovina,
Bulgaria, Kosovo, FYR Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania and Serbia.

Not Northern Europe, so intresting and applicable in may be in Serbia, it has no relevance in France.

I'm sure that incertain areas of Europe, these people have a dreadful time, indeed other wise they wouldn't come to France, and other Northern European countries. But that doesn't mean they can set up camp in France and expect to treated differently.

I would argue that anyone living in a shanty town, in unsanitary conditions, and staying beyond their legal limit - is a trouble maker.

It's not xenophobic, once again the last resort of someone has no real argument is to turn to race, I'm so tired of that.

I'm sure that if such a camp was set up at the bottom of your garden, you'd welcome them with open arms and share a vodka or two. Then maybe not so much when the lead disappears from your roof, and you're offered your way with a 16yr old girl for a few quid as you walk home.

It's all very well being righteous when the issue is hundreds of miles away in another country, but what of the decent French folk having to endure this?

Send in the bulldozers.

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I think you will find they are Travellers, not Gipsies (there is a difference).

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Thanks for that valuable input Escapee.

My earlier link regarding the treatment of Romanian gypsies in Northern Ireland by British Loyalists seems to have escaped your notice.

It is clear that Romany gypsies, whether in France, Belfast or wherever are fair game as far as certain British xenophobes are concerned. That you would extend your offer in relation to Irish gypsies speaks volumes about the ongoing persecution that these people are subjected to.

Cheers.

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I think not.

Notwithstanding the fact that the context which you quoted above has been superceded by the "Right of Residence" as defined in COM/99/0127 which afforded the right of residence even to those who were / are not economically active the core issue here is "or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances".

Simples - it is a loophole - but an entirely legal constitutional loophole which France has subscribed to. On that premise the Romany are entitled to be there and France is duty bound to accomodate their being there.

I believe I stated "The UNICEF report which I linked to, together with various other quantifiable sources - somewhat more enlightened than your opinion on the matter - clearly identify persecution as a systemic issue as far as Roma gypsies are concerned." Perhaps you could help me by pointing out any specific reference to France therein by me?

Nor does it mean they should be treated just as badly, or worse, in France.

That would be a rather opinion based argument - and given as highlighted above that there is now a right to residence for the economically inactive - a flawed one at that. Perhaps equally, or indeed more, important is the failure of the host state (in this case France) to honour it's responsibilities by letting people live in squalor / shanty villages.

See below.

Has any of this happened to you personally or are you just hypothesizing / generalizing again?

Yes it is, which begs the question of why you are so worried if you are "not xenophobic".

It's "hundreds of miles away" again, what are you so worried about?

Sorry, run that "It's not xenophobic" by me again....

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I am sure it would be politically more incorrect to refer to the group as travellers, when in fact they refer to themselves as Gypsies.

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My valuable input as you call it, is probably the same view as that of the majority in this country. Gypsies or whatever they call themselves should not set up camp where ever they take a fancy, I say good on countries who unlike the UK have the goolies to do something about it.

I think you will find little support of your sympathy from the working class tax payers in this country.

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Escapee, there's absolutely no need for you to essentially repeat what I said.

You are, of course, assuming I am offering "sympathy" rather than an objective and factually based viewpoint. I should point out that nowhere in this thread have I mooted sympathy, it's something you appear to have imagined my having done - but if it helped get something of your chest I'm glad.

By the way, now that I have your attention, in the benefits cheat thread here in post number 130 you mentioned that you were "recently told a minimum and maximum figure for an alcoholic by what I would consider a trusty source. (Employed in a position where they would be expected to know the answer)".

I notice that you never elaborated on the statement. If it's not too much bother could you revist the thread and post the figures and the "trusty source" details?

Thanks old chap.

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As there was no reply to my post in the benefit cheats thread, I did not post because I assumed no one was interested. On this forum that is usually the case when there are people who know the answer but the answer doesn't fit in with their political agenda.

I am unable to answer the minimum and maximum figure, because the reality is that there is no answer. Whilst an alcoholic receiving this extra benefits usually gets a maximum of approx £20 a week extra in benefits, they can by discretion be given more than this. Hence the reason I cannot answer what the upper limit is, although some claimants locally are reputedly receiving up to £80 a week for alcohol dependency.

I wonder why you ask in this thread though, you could have sent a PM and asked me to update the original thread instead of taking this thread off topic.

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I didn't intend taking the thread off topic, hence why I asked "could you revist the thread and post the figures and the "trusty source" details?"

That said, I was hoping for a more factually based reply which you had indicated previously was available to you rather than one based on "the reality is that there is no answer" or "reputedly receiving".

Thanks anyway.

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My original question was open ended, because I wanted to know if anyone else had any idea if my information was correct. I did find it hard to believe that it was discretionary with no upper limit in certain cases, although internet searches did not reveal this.

Subject closed from me.

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Sorry, I was under the impression that when you wrote

"I was recently told a minimum and maximum figure for an alcoholic by what I would consider a trusty source. (Employed in a position where they would be expected to know the answer)

I found the figure to be unbelievable".

that you meant you had been told a minimum and maximum figure which you found to be unbelievable.

My mistake, obviously.

As you say, subject closed - let's stick to the topic.

Apologies to all for the temporary drift.

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Any one know if the French are just as vigorous with other illegal immigrants to their country as they are being with the Roma gypsies ,I know the Roma gypsies aren't technically illegal immigrants if i read Daddy's links correctly but they are being treated as such

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11301307

Hmmmm, this'll be interesting....

Here's some 'previous' when it comes to the European Commission and fines on the French.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...e_british_beef

What's the betting the outcome will be the same this time?...

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i dont understand what france are doing wrong ?

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upsetting the liberal tree hungers who want the whole world to love each other
?;)

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I think treating people humanly is what 'liberal tree huggers' want. Not a large scale displacement under the guise of crime reduction, for which the French government has decided an entire ethnic group shall be held accountable.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11302013

The rest of the article seems to indicate that France may find it'sself in the doghouse and is a strong message to Italy that may be considering a similar action.

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france are in a position to tell the eu to do one, after all france britain and germany are the eu the rest of the countrys are leeches

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Actually we aren't that important in the EU.Mind the EU is getting bigger so France can't bully the rest as much as she used to.

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we are important maybe not for political purposes but they certainly need our money to waste..

personally i think france have good this right, it is there country they have a right to protect them, there finances and there people

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Isn't this just like an ASBO or restraining order but covering a larger area?

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good point, could be conceived as that

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But with a very large fine attached.I'm sure the Taxpayers in France won't be impressed.

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maybe not about a fine but they are hardly rallying up trying to stop the deportation ?

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Well we will see won't we..Maybe someone will be taking the French government to the Court of Human Rights over the matter? It depends on how much will there is among the various members..

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Some are.....

Link1

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but how is it a breach of human rights ? am i the only person who thinks the french government is doing the right thing in protecting there own citizens first ?

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There's the rub - you either think Human Rights are conditional or universal.

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what about the french citizen's human rights ? surely they dont want the eye-sore or financial burden of them ?

if they are so concerned about there human rights why would they not stay where they was wanted ?

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Sorry, Pete, didn't understand that last sentence (did you mean to say "why would they stay where they were not wanted?")

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There really don't seem to be that many places where Roma are wanted. Overt prejudice against them is rife in many parts of E. Europe. We know plenty of people from that part of the world and almost without exception they have nothing but dislike for these people.

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i mean to say why didn't they stay wherever they originated they must of known they would have been controversial ?

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perhaps they should work on improving there image amongst these same people ? they could start with changing their way of life that would go a long way

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Which is why I posed the question earlier in this thread:

"...are these people so disliked because they're troublemakers or are they troublemakers because they're so disliked?.."

I've yet to hear a convincing argument either way but suspect that as with all communities it's the activities of a proportion which can create trouble for the rest and it's a cycle which feeds on itself. We've certainly come across Roma in Slovakia who've been doing their best to fit in with society in general but the odds are stacked up against them. The truth is that distrust and hatred towards one group simply begets the same in return.

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i think it is a mix of both, surely even they must understand why France does not want them ? that woman (cant remember her name, the one from Luxembourg i think) would she welcome such people to live in her back garden ? i think not

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I'm sure they've come to expect hostility wherever they go - for them it's a fact of life.

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There is a difference between evicting trespassers because they have broken the law, and deporting an ethnic minority because some of them are "troublemakers".

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:tu:

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I really can't see a large fine being paid even if the EC get's round to imposing one.

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so like i said, they need to change opinions of themselves amongst others or stop being suprised when they are forcibly moved on

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of course thats true, then why don't they try to integrate with society rather than take their own were ever they "set up camp" ultimately changing the way people perceive them?

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Well, I'd love to change the way people perceive the British who live in Spain, or those who go on holiday to Kos, or those who attend football matches, but there is only so much I can do.

What makes you think the Roma are any different?

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there is 1 key thing about your list, people pay to maintain a life abroad, people pay for a holiday, people pay for football matches and merchandise, do the roma's ?

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Dunno. Are Roma into football? And if so: what is their 'home team'?

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/09/86.png

AS Roma, perhaps? :D

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So if someone pays for a football match they have a right to behave like a hooligan?

Laws should be there for what you have or haven't done, not for what family you're born into.

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But, but, but........

They're different!!!!:mad:

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Good point! :D

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not the right to be a hooligan no, but the right to be there!

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You are confusing me.

Can you tell me, in your opinion, what the Roma have to do to stay in France?

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My mind keeps wandering back to previous threads about Travellers.I wonder why?

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Is it an 'age' thing?... ;) :D

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get a puncture :dunce:

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

act french ?

pay there way ?

only move over there knowing they can support there family ?

perhaps even be sponsored by an employer ?

integrate into society and stop trying to make there own all these "camps" and what not

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11332189

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

Surely if a country doesn`t want immigrants in their country, they have the right to kick them out. Don`t they?
Or at least vet them first to see what they can be benefical to the country.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

If that immigrant comes from outside the EU then you are right, but countries inside the EU have no control over who comes into and works within their borders from other EU members, the only caveat to this are people with severe criminal records eg rapists, murderers.
The argument the French government put forward for getting rid of the Roma is that other EU countries should not be able to unload their social problems on other members.
Regarding the Roma the sights we have seen from France with them being removed maybe unpleasant indeed, and sadly the Roma do make themselves a very easy target the way they choose to live, but in all honesty I cannot see any EU country in a rush to welcome them, it seems to me its up to the Bulgarian and Romanian governments to step up to the plate concerning their citizens not just turn a blind eye a give a sigh of relief as they leave the country to set-up camps over western Europe.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

No it's just the attitude to nomadic people.It happens anywhere where you have those that stay and adhere to a fixed social order and those that wander between borders and have no fixed social order.One cannot get on with the other and conflicts arise.

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

France didn't put controls on the movement of some EU nationals when they had the chance perhaps?

We did.... Romanians have restrictions on work permits I believe?

The trouble is that many Roma have taken nationalities of other EU countries that are not restricted (eg Czech Republicans).

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

in an ideal world you would think a country would dictate what happens within it's own country (not dictate you know like final say)

Re: France expels its gypsies
 

Where do you draw the line, I wouldn't want to live in this ideal world where things like ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia and apartheid in South Africa were allowed to continue unchallanged because it's happening 'in their own countries'.