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punky 31-07-2010 22:03

Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...complaint-gill

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The BBC presenter Clare Balding is embroiled in a furious row over a newspaper columnist's "homophobic" remarks about her sexuality. The 39-year-old sports journalist has lodged a complaint with the Press Complaints Commission following a review of her new programme, Britain by Bike, by the Sunday Times's TV and restaurant critic, AA Gill.

Balding, who is gay, complained to the newspaper's editor, John Witherow, about the tone of the article. But, she said, she was then even more horrified by Witherow's response.

Gill had written: "Some time ago, I made a cheap and frankly unnecessary joke about Clare Balding looking like a big lesbian. And afterwards somebody tugged my sleeve to point out that she is a big lesbian."

After a mock apology, he continued: "Now back to the dyke on a bike, puffing up the nooks and crannies at the bottom end of the nation."
However the most intelligent thing I have heard all month is from AA Gill's boss:

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"In my view some members of the gay community need to stop regarding themselves as having a special victim status and behave like any other sensible group that is accepted by society.

"Not having a privileged status means, of course, one must accept occasionally being the butt of jokes. A person's sexuality should not give them a protected status.
Wholeheartedly agree. And there are far more people than the gay community who should take that advice. Gay people say they want equality and be treated like everyone else and as Gill's boss says that includes being the butt of a joke occasionally like us heterosexuals are.

And finally with no sense of irony John Prescott chimes about Gill insulting Balding by calling Gill "a ****"

nomadking 31-07-2010 23:58

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
Being a lesbian and presenting a program with 'bike' in the title, is slightly asking for it.
In the article he went on to praise her.
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'I warm to Clare as a presenter. Away from sport she has a comfortable, no-nonsense enthusiasm; when every other girl on television is winsome and coquettish, it's a relief to be talked to by someone who isn't flirting down the lens. Though I'm not sure this is much of a format.
Perhaps the other girl presenters who are described as 'winsome and coquettish', should complain. They are the ones actually being criticised/put down in the article.

Even she acknowledges that he was being nice about her. She said:-
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Is it supposed to be OK because Gill was nice about me at the end?

Russ 01-08-2010 05:30

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
Gill has a rich history of being racist so it doesn't surprise me to learn he's still deliberately offending people.

TheNorm 01-08-2010 07:37

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
Wasn't it Ms Balding who made offensive comments about a jockey's teeth? Pot, kettle, black...

Mick Fisher 01-08-2010 10:10

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
I like Clare Balding and really don't care about her sexual preferences.

I think a persons sexual preference should be kept private between them and their partner.

As being heterosexual is not in the slightest bit newsworthy why should being homosexual create such a furore.

Who are all these people that give a fig?

martyh 01-08-2010 10:12

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35065648)

Who are all these people that give a fig?


mostly gay people

Hom3r 01-08-2010 10:26

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35065588)
Wasn't it Ms Balding who made offensive comments about a jockey's teeth? Pot, kettle, black...

No, she was saying he could get his teeth fixed, because most jockey get them kicked out, this jockey hadn't.

The jockey in question wasn't offended, so no problems.

nomadking 01-08-2010 10:32

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35065658)
No, she was saying he could get his teeth fixed, because most jockey get them kicked out, this jockey hadn't.

The jockey in question wasn't offended, so no problems.

That's because he wasn't a member of one of the groups that are the only only ones permitted to be offended, plus it came from someone from one of those groups.

TheNorm 01-08-2010 10:54

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35065658)
No, she was saying he could get his teeth fixed, because most jockey get them kicked out, this jockey hadn't.

The jockey in question wasn't offended, so no problems.

Oh - maybe the BBC has it wrong:

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Balding herself landed in hot water last year after making fun of jockey Liam Treadwell's teeth live on air just after he won the Grand National.
The BBC received 1,477 complaints from viewers over the remarks, prompting Balding to issue an apology for any offence she had caused.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-10817463

Hom3r 01-08-2010 10:56

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
The jockey wasn't offended just some stupid people with nothing better to do with their lives that complian to TV.

Ravenheart 01-08-2010 11:04

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
I'm glad she's complained, how is mocking hetrosexual Jeremy Clarkson's dress sense (or lack of it) in any way comparable to this? Is AA Gill next going to write a piece about a persons race, religion or disability maybe using derogatory terms in the process? of course he could then add "but some of them are nice people" as that then makes it Ok.

The man is just typical journalistic ****!

punky 01-08-2010 11:12

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35065577)
Gill has a rich history of being racist so it doesn't surprise me to learn he's still deliberately offending people.

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Gill's comment was used as a prime example of what was described as "persistent anti-Welsh racism in the UK media" in a motion in the National Assembly for Wales
As opposed to the persistent anti-English racism in Welsh society?

Sirius 01-08-2010 11:23

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35065648)
I like Clare Balding and really don't care about her sexual preferences.

I think a persons sexual preference should be kept private between them and their partner.

As being heterosexual is not in the slightest bit newsworthy why should being homosexual create such a furore.

Who are all these people that give a fig?

Fully agree. I hate people who take offense to something just to get a few minutes of exposure.

Russ 01-08-2010 11:31

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 35065681)
As opposed to the persistent anti-English racism in Welsh society?

"Persistent"? Over egging it a bit there. I don't recall any Welsh celebrities making repeated anti-English comments.

Stuart 01-08-2010 15:15

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Ravenheart (Post 35065671)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._A._Gill

---------- Post added at 12:04 ---------- Previous post was at 11:58 ----------

I'm glad she's complained, how is mocking hetrosexual Jeremy Clarkson's dress sense (or lack of it) in any way comparable to this? Is AA Gill next going to write a piece about a persons race, religion or disability maybe using derogatory terms in the process? of course he could then add "but some of them are nice people" as that then makes it Ok.

The man is just typical journalistic ****!

Or he could just have been calling her a member of a Lesbian Biker Gang

Ramrod 01-08-2010 16:31

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Some time ago, I made a cheap and frankly unnecessary joke about Clare Balding looking like a big lesbian. And afterwards somebody tugged my sleeve to point out that she is a big lesbian
oops pmsl :rofl: :D

Horace 01-08-2010 16:34

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35065588)
Wasn't it Ms Balding who made offensive comments about a jockey's teeth? Pot, kettle, black...

I've never heard of someone being violently attacked because of the state of their teeth. Homophobia is still rife in our society - encouraging that hatred and bigotry is no different than encouraging racism. In short, don't encourage the morons who'll use homosexuality as an excuse to be violent.

Maggy 01-08-2010 16:45

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
I've always thought that a journalist's job is to report the news not be the subject of the news..:scratch:

Damien 01-08-2010 19:55

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
I suppose the issue is that her sexuality was nothing to do with the program and it seems to be that because she is gay she must now allow that to be the main thing she is know for, even if presenting a completely different topic it must be viewed in the context of her sexuality. I can see why she would fine that irritating. I can also see how it might desuade others in the public eye from coming out when they see the reaction they will get.

Not sure it's too offensive. It's obviously a rather cheap little dig from a cretin but no different to other snide personal remarks he might choose to make about other sectors of society.

Lord Nikon 01-08-2010 21:05

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35065691)
Fully agree. I hate people who take offense to something just to get a few minutes of exposure.

I have no desire to see Claire Balding exposed for a femtosecond let alone a few minutes. Though notably she seems to have a double

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/08/96.jpg
Could she be related to

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/08/97.jpg

Robert Prescott from the movie 'Real Genius'?

Pauls9 02-08-2010 11:20

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
I enjoyed her programme, showing us interesting scenery away from the normal car routes.

She's gay? What on earth has that to do with the quality of the programme?

Maggy 02-08-2010 11:57

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Pauls9 (Post 35066252)
I enjoyed her programme, showing us interesting scenery away from the normal car routes.

She's gay? What on earth has that to do with the quality of the programme?

Exactly!

frogstamper 02-08-2010 20:39

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
What was it that everybodies Mum's used to say? "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all".:)
If people stuck to this we would never hear a word from the likes of Gill, Littlejohn and many other loud-mouths who get paid for being obnoxious.

TheNorm 02-08-2010 21:07

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35066585)
...If people stuck to this we would never hear a word from the likes of Gill, Littlejohn and many other loud-mouths who get paid for being obnoxious.

If people didn't buy the newspapers they write for, and therefore pay their salaries, we would never hear from these poor excuses for journalists.

frogstamper 03-08-2010 21:09

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35066608)
If people didn't buy the newspapers they write for, and therefore pay their salaries, we would never hear from these poor excuses for journalists.

Thankfully the circulation of British papers has been falling gradually for years now, helped along by a staggering 25% fall in sales between 2007 to 2009.

Paul 03-08-2010 23:12

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35066585)
What was it that everybodies Mum's used to say? "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all".:)
If people stuck to this we would never hear a word from the likes of Gill, Littlejohn and many other loud-mouths who get paid for being obnoxious.

Most of the forums members would need to be quiet as well ;)


CB is a dyke ? Never knew that. Seems she is way too over sensitive about it tho - maybe she is embarassed to be gay and it hit a nerve ....

nomadking 03-08-2010 23:30

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35066585)
What was it that everybodies Mum's used to say? "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all".:)
If people stuck to this we would never hear a word from the likes of Gill, Littlejohn and many other loud-mouths who get paid for being obnoxious.

That's just it, he DID says something nice. He praised her presentation. It was the presentation of others(mostly, if not all heterosexual) that he actually complained about.:rolleyes:

Stuart 03-08-2010 23:37

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35067288)
Most of the forums members would need to be quiet as well ;)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/08/46.gif

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CB is a dyke ? Never knew that. Seems she is way too over sensitive about it tho - maybe she is embarassed to be gay and it hit a nerve ....
I don't think CB has ever hidden it, but I don't think she has gone out of her way to broadcast it either. Something which I respect her for. After all, who she sleeps with has no bearing on how well she presents TV.

frogstamper 04-08-2010 03:34

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35067305)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/08/46.gif



I don't think CB has ever hidden it, but I don't think she has gone out of her way to broadcast it either. Something which I respect her for. After all, who she sleeps with has no bearing on how well she presents TV.

I think your correct Stuart, I'd imagine she is like the vast majority of people in the UK in that her sexuality just isn't an issue in her work life, shes good at her job end of story why anybodies sexuality should be the issue of public debate purely because some non entity tries to get a low brow laugh says more about A A Gills lack of comedic skill.
"Dyke on a bike"....ooo-er bet that one took a while to formulate.:rolleyes:

Paul 04-08-2010 23:26

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35067305)
I don't think CB has ever hidden it, but I don't think she has gone out of her way to broadcast it either. Something which I respect her for. After all, who she sleeps with has no bearing on how well she presents TV.

So why such a fuss then. She should just have laughed it off and carried on as normal. Too much fuss over nothing, seems to be a common complaint these days, everyone getting offended over non events.

Stuart 04-08-2010 23:29

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35067907)
So why such a fuss then. She should just have laughed it off and carried on as normal. Too much fuss over nothing, seems to be a common complaint these days, everyone getting offended over non events.

Maybe she doesn't like the thought of someone else broadcasting it either?

Maggy 05-08-2010 15:08

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
Also we haven't got rid of our prejudices overnight..some of us females find ourselves being defensive about entering some male dominated workplaces even in the 21st century let alone admitting we might like girls rather more than boys..

One's ability to do a job should count the most with anyone and anyone who thinks it just a matter of dealing with workplace joshing had better think again.Being heterosexual has never been an issue for hetros so we can't even begin to know what it is like to constantly have what you do in the privacy of your bedroom made a joke to undermine you in the workplace.

Surely a journalist can make criticisms without resorting to this sort of level of innuendo?Try to keep it professional about someone's profession.

nomadking 05-08-2010 15:30

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
How many more times?:banghead:
He praised her presentation, it was the presentation style of heterosexuals that he actually criticised. It is those others who should complain for being described as 'winsome and coquettish'.

Hugh 05-08-2010 17:44

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
Actually, as Claire Balding herself said in a letter to the Times (no link due to paywall), it was the use of the perjorative and derogatory term "dyke" which she found offensive, and the fact AA Gill needed to point out that she was a lesbian - he doesn't mention the fact about other people being heterosexual when he reviews their programmes, so why raise the point tha that she is gay?

nomadking 05-08-2010 18:24

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
The reason for using the word dyke has more to do with the title of the programme ie Britain by Bike, than anything else.

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when every other girl on television is winsome and coquettish, it's a relief to be talked to by someone who isn't flirting down the lens.
He was referring to, and putting down the presentation skills of heterosexual women.

As the response to her complaint pointed out, people like Jeremy Clarkson are frequently referred to, in a very nasty way. Would she have like to have been portrayed in a cartoon in this manner? Would any gay person be allowed to be portrayed in that manner, no matter what they had said or done, especially in publications like that one.

Maggy 05-08-2010 20:28

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35068273)
The reason for using the word dyke has more to do with the title of the programme ie Britain by Bike, than anything else.

He was referring to, and putting down the presentation skills of heterosexual women.

As the response to her complaint pointed out, people like Jeremy Clarkson are frequently referred to, in a very nasty way. Would she have like to have been portrayed in a cartoon in this manner? Would any gay person be allowed to be portrayed in that manner, no matter what they had said or done, especially in publications like that one.

To be fair Clarkson dishes out just as much to everyone else.

frogstamper 05-08-2010 20:35

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35068273)
The reason for using the word dyke has more to do with the title of the programme ie Britain by Bike, than anything else.

He was referring to, and putting down the presentation skills of heterosexual women.

As the response to her complaint pointed out, people like Jeremy Clarkson are frequently referred to, in a very nasty way. Would she have like to have been portrayed in a cartoon in this manner? Would any gay person be allowed to be portrayed in that manner, no matter what they had said or done, especially in publications like that one.

:banghead:Some people will never get it!!!

To make it really simple how about this, would it be OK to have made a crack about say Lenny Henry in the late 70's whereby the comment praised his skills as a comedian and singer, but in the same article described him as "the c*** who could hold a tune"?
How is the above example any different to what you are defending?
As regards people being offensive to Clarkson...so what, he has purposely brought that on himself by making a living out of being contraversal and offensive, CB hasn't.

Damien 05-08-2010 20:36

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35068255)
Actually, as Claire Balding herself said in a letter to the Times (no link due to paywall), it was the use of the perjorative and derogatory term "dyke" which she found offensive, and the fact AA Gill needed to point out that she was a lesbian - he doesn't mention the fact about other people being heterosexual when he reviews their programmes, so why raise the point tha that she is gay?

:tu:

Why should she let that be the defining aspect of her public personality to the extent that even a review of a unrelated program has to make snide comments about it.

Ravenheart 17-09-2010 06:51

Re: Claire Balding complains to the PCC over AA Gill.
 
Clare Balding's complaint has been upheld by the PCC :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11333484

Excellent news!


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