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nstokes 30-07-2010 06:15
sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
why do i have to enter a pin code evertime i go on a sky move channel? I have checked all the parental control settings and the lock is set to "cert 18" this happens on both V+ box and V HD box. I rang VM up and they didnt know what it is but ive also been told sky have told VM they have to have the lock code on.

carmad 30-07-2010 06:51
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Because sky movies has a much later watershed than the likes of the BBC etc.

EBD3000 30-07-2010 07:32
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by carmad (Post 35064705)
Because sky movies has a much earlier watershed than the likes of the BBC etc.
Corrected for truth.

Its so Sky can show 15 and 18 rated films during the day.

Its the same on Sky.

WooLLsterQ 30-07-2010 07:49
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
And also because OFCOM would beat them with spikey sticks if they did not do it!

nstokes 30-07-2010 08:00
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
sky are so over protective, i mean a pin code on ice age at mid-day, that sucks, kids these days no more than adults so no need for the code :)

WooLLsterQ 30-07-2010 08:37
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
It is a OFCOM ruling, neither Sky or VM have any choice over the matter.

nstokes 30-07-2010 08:38
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WooLLsterQ (Post 35064732)
It is a OFCOM ruling, neither Sky or VM have any choice over the matter.
oh ok, ill let sky off this time then ;)

dsmuk 30-07-2010 10:04
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35064717)
sky are so over protective, i mean a pin code on ice age at mid-day, that sucks, kids these days no more than adults so no need for the code :)
On Sky the PIN number box only comes up when a film is being shown outside of the traditional watershed hours. So if you were watching Ice Age via Sky it would not prompt for a PIN but if you were watching Kill Bill at 10am it would.

Virgin don't have/have not implemented the same technology and so the PIN is activated 24 hours a day, maybe it will change with the Tivo software.

EBD3000 30-07-2010 11:21
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsmuk (Post 35064771)
Virgin don't have/have not implemented the same technology and so the PIN is activated 24 hours a day, maybe it will change with the Tivo software.
Its not active after 10pm on any channel.

RamJet 30-07-2010 17:30
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
my children and all grown up and living away from home - ie there are NO under 18s in my household

why can't OFCOM -

1. allow me to register my set-top box and being in an 'adult' household and allow me to turn OFF the PIN requirment

or 2. allow a 1/2 way house whereby I can turn OFF the PIN requirment for say 24 hours - it then kicks back in - and I could turn it off again

the real problem is that every time you try to change film channels - you have to put that ****ed PIN number in again and again and again

I like 'surfing' the channels up-and-down - cant do this with Movie Channels in day or early evening

and er er let me get this right - I am the one who is paying the bills for a service which is less that satisfactory ! ! !

time for the new govt to reform this old fashioned-nanny-state-way-of-treating-the-british-people ? ?

tassiekev 30-07-2010 17:46
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Couldn't agree more - I'm 65 and look after my parents (both in their 90s) - got VM to give them some choice but the pincode is too confusing for them. I know its not Virgin's fault but surely the nannies could offer some alternative?

nstokes 30-07-2010 18:22
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35064948)
my children and all grown up and living away from home - ie there are NO under 18s in my household

why can't OFCOM -

1. allow me to register my set-top box and being in an 'adult' household and allow me to turn OFF the PIN requirment

or 2. allow a 1/2 way house whereby I can turn OFF the PIN requirment for say 24 hours - it then kicks back in - and I could turn it off again

the real problem is that every time you try to change film channels - you have to put that ****ed PIN number in again and again and again

I like 'surfing' the channels up-and-down - cant do this with Movie Channels in day or early evening

and er er let me get this right - I am the one who is paying the bills for a service which is less that satisfactory ! ! !

time for the new govt to reform this old fashioned-nanny-state-way-of-treating-the-british-people ? ?

here here i agree, hence me starting the thread, i think its fecking stupid we have to put a pin code in on every movie channel everythime we channel surf

tassiekev 30-07-2010 18:54
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Just had a look at OFCOMs website where there are plenty of places to complain about everyone else other than them! Yes Minister is alive and well. If you want to contact them about anything other than a complaint aginst a provider, you have write to them - with a stamp on the envelope - how quaint!!

nstokes 30-07-2010 21:41
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EBD3000 (Post 35064811)
Its not active after 10pm on any channel.
yep ive found that out this evening

Digital Fanatic 31-07-2010 00:09
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dsmuk (Post 35064771)
On Sky the PIN number box only comes up when a film is being shown outside of the traditional watershed hours. So if you were watching Ice Age via Sky it would not prompt for a PIN but if you were watching Kill Bill at 10am it would.

Virgin don't have/have not implemented the same technology and so the PIN is activated 24 hours a day, maybe it will change with the Tivo software.
I think Sky set a flag in the programming to switch the PIN request on/off... probably not given to VM or uncompatible with our software/EPG.

The only safe way for VM is to have it on from 5am-10pm.

frogstamper 31-07-2010 00:38
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Admittedly its a pain in the backside having to enter a PIN whenever you change movie channels, having said that I'd rather have this palava and be able to watch a 15 or 18 film day or night than go back to the way it used to be.

jab1990 31-07-2010 08:13
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Those were the good times. Pressing the red button in hope that the pin box would appear.
And when it didn't you have reset the box whereby you miss the start of the film.
On that note i am looking forward to sky interactive features.

nstokes 01-08-2010 07:47
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
it seems sky family doesnt require the pin, i went on it about 4-5 times yesterday and didnt ask for the pin, this was before 10pm

jab1990 01-08-2010 08:27
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Sky family has never asked for pin. They only show kids films. ie pg

RamJet 01-08-2010 15:43
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
well - currently showing in the afternoon ( 16.00-18.00)(Sunday 1st Aug) on the horror channel (VM-149) is Stephen King's The Stand

www.digiguide.co.uk has this rated as a 15 ? ?

so unless someone has made a mistake is seems it's actually OK to show 15s throughout the day without any of the nanny-state PIN requirements and we have been entirely mislead that this is an 'OFCOM' requirement

Stuart 01-08-2010 15:50
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35065818)
well - currently showing in the afternoon ( 16.00-18.00)(Sunday 1st Aug) on the horror channel (VM-149) is Stephen King's The Stand

www.digiguide.co.uk has this rated as a 15 ? ?

so unless someone has made a mistake is seems it's actually OK to show 15s throughout the day without any of the nanny-state PIN requirements and we have been entirely mislead that this is an 'OFCOM' requirement
It is an Ofcom requirment, so someone did make a mistake.

See http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...9/section1.pdf section 1.24 and 1.25 (go to the 7th page of the PDF, or page 13 according to the page numbers)

dohertwhy 01-08-2010 15:57
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35065823)
It is an Ofcom requirment, so someone did make a mistake.
Im willing to bet that the stand has been cut to bits on the horror channel to get a lower rating.

Same can be said for Syfy, they show Angel and Smallville in the afternoon not protected by a PIN because its been cut to bits(by atleast 4 minute most times). so maybe thats how they get round not needing a PIN.

RamJet 01-08-2010 16:06
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
it's not very likely that the horror channel would make a mistake - I've checked & the whole series of The Stand is showing in the afternoons and each episode is rated 15 on www.digiguide.co.uk

I suspect either the regulations have changed or perhaps more likely that VM have misread the regulations and have mislead all of us

come to think of it - I think I recall that when the regulations came in seeing one or 2 - 15 rated films on Satellite Channels during the day

well VM - time to come clean & drop the unrequired & unnecessary PIN requirement for 15 rated films which so annoys all of us

Stuart 01-08-2010 16:34
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35065833)
it's not very likely that the horror channel would make a mistake - I've checked & the whole series of The Stand is showing in the afternoons and each episode is rated 15 on www.digiguide.co.uk

I suspect either the regulations have changed or perhaps more likely that VM have misread the regulations and have mislead all of us

come to think of it - I think I recall that when the regulations came in seeing one or 2 - 15 rated films on Satellite Channels during the day

well VM - time to come clean & drop the unrequired & unnecessary PIN requirement for 15 rated films which so annoys all of us
The guidelines I posted are dated December 2009. They do not appear to have changed since then. So yes, it would appear to be a mistake.

And, I have reproduced the text from section 1.24.

Quote:
Premium subscription film services may broadcast up to BBFC 15-rated films or
their equivalent, at any time of day provided that mandatory restricted access is
in place pre-2000 and post-0530.
In addition, those security systems which are in place to protect children must
be clearly explained to all subscribers
A pin protection system is used to enforce "mandatory restricted access".

That phrasing seems fairly unambiguous to me..

Anyway, what's more likely? The Horror channel would incorrectly tag something as not requiring a pin (which the cynic in me would like to point out may get them more viewers) or that VM would deliberately enforce a restriction they don't need to, and would actually cause them grief (winding up the customers is something no company should do easily).

spiderplant 01-08-2010 18:49
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Premium subscription film services may broadcast up to BBFC 15-rated films or
their equivalent, at any time of day provided that mandatory restricted access is
in place pre-2000 and post-0530.
The answer lies in there. The Horror Channel is not a premium subscription film service. Neither is Film4, which often shows things pre-watershed that would have to be PIN protected if shown on Sky Movies.

edit: ooh, 3000 posts! What do I win?

VirginMediaPhil 01-08-2010 18:58
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
I'm not sure what's happened since the rebrand but certainly before the rebrand wasn't it Sky Movies 9 and 10 that required the PIN to show 15 and 18 certificate films from 1-5pm?

RamJet 01-08-2010 20:22
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35065849)
A pin protection system is used to enforce "mandatory restricted access".

That phrasing seems fairly unambiguous to me..
I'm not at all sure - I think it's very ambiguous & for this reason

it would cover 2 situations >>>>>

1. the current lazy system VM have put in whereby each-and-every-subscription-film-channel-your-surf-to needs the pin put in time and time again

2. a superior system whereby VM do the software-code so the adult-pin-person could turn off the Pin requirement til say midnight when the Pin-requirment could kick in again for the next day

BOTH could be defined as a Mandatory Restricted Access system !

nanny-state-lazy-VM-nanny-state-lazy-VM grrrrrrr !

spiderplant 01-08-2010 20:41
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35065978)
2. a superior system whereby VM do the software-code so the adult-pin-person could turn off the Pin requirement til say midnight when the Pin-requirment could kick in again for the next day
That would contravene Ofcom requirements.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ofcom
Meaning of "mandatory restricted access":
Mandatory restricted access means there is a PIN protected system (or other equivalent protection) which cannot be removed by the user, that restricts access solely to those authorised to view.
(My bold)

Digital Fanatic 01-08-2010 20:49
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35065978)
I'm not at all sure - I think it's very ambiguous & for this reason

it would cover 2 situations >>>>>

1. the current lazy system VM have put in whereby each-and-every-subscription-film-channel-your-surf-to needs the pin put in time and time again

2. a superior system whereby VM do the software-code so the adult-pin-person could turn off the Pin requirement til say midnight when the Pin-requirment could kick in again for the next day

BOTH could be defined as a Mandatory Restricted Access system !

nanny-state-lazy-VM-nanny-state-lazy-VM grrrrrrr !
1... It's not lazy. it's a restriction of the current software. Things may change with the new TIVO middleware later this year/early 2011 for non watershed films

2... not allowed as per Ofcom regulations, so not VM's fault


3.. chill out :)

---------- Post added at 21:49 ---------- Previous post was at 21:45 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil (Post 35065922)
I'm not sure what's happened since the rebrand but certainly before the rebrand wasn't it Sky Movies 9 and 10 that required the PIN to show 15 and 18 certificate films from 1-5pm?
Sky changed it to all Sky Movie channel, except Family

Hom3r 01-08-2010 20:53
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35064948)
my children and all grown up and living away from home - ie there are NO under 18s in my household

why can't OFCOM -

1. allow me to register my set-top box and being in an 'adult' household and allow me to turn OFF the PIN requirment

or 2. allow a 1/2 way house whereby I can turn OFF the PIN requirment for say 24 hours - it then kicks back in - and I could turn it off again

the real problem is that every time you try to change film channels - you have to put that ****ed PIN number in again and again and again

I like 'surfing' the channels up-and-down - cant do this with Movie Channels in day or early evening

and er er let me get this right - I am the one who is paying the bills for a service which is less that satisfactory ! ! !

time for the new govt to reform this old fashioned-nanny-state-way-of-treating-the-british-people ? ?
Because yo might let underaged persons what stuff they shouldn't, I'm in the same boat, it sucks, plus there is no way I would let my sisters kids watch unsuitable programmes.

It basically boils down to 2 words "NANNY STATE"

---------- Post added at 21:53 ---------- Previous post was at 21:51 ----------

The pin is also on any programme that is recorded after the watershed, It winds me up, even on terrestial TV.

OFCOM suck..

Ben B 01-08-2010 21:28
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35065990)
The pin is also on any programme that is recorded after the watershed, It winds me up, even on terrestial TV.
The requirement for the PIN to be entered to watch programmes which have been recorded after 8pm can be disabled withing the Parental Control settings

gazfan 01-08-2010 21:53
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
You know this kind of thing makes me wonder about what actually constitutes 'inconvenience' - so someone has to press a few buttons on a remote in order to watch a film - oooh, nasty, feel the horror - it is obviously far worse than the trauma potentially caused by watching the film ...

Just think, if we had stuck with 3 channels, that could only be changed by getting up out of your seat & twiddling a dial on the telly, things would be so much easier ....

v0id 01-08-2010 23:05
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
I wonder how many people who actually have the Sky Movie packs don't bother to change the default pin from '1234' or '0000' anyway

Stuart 01-08-2010 23:39
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by v0id (Post 35066041)
I wonder how many people who actually have the Sky Movie packs don't bother to change the default pin from '1234' or '0000' anyway
Probably most. However as long as virgin can demonstrate they have the pin protection in place, and that they have a system for changing pins, then they don't have to worry if you change the pin or not. If you don't change it, it's your problem as far as they are concerned.

frogstamper 02-08-2010 01:50
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gazfan (Post 35066030)
You know this kind of thing makes me wonder about what actually constitutes 'inconvenience' - so someone has to press a few buttons on a remote in order to watch a film - oooh, nasty, feel the horror - it is obviously far worse than the trauma potentially caused by watching the film ...

Just think, if we had stuck with 3 channels, that could only be changed by getting up out of your seat & twiddling a dial on the telly, things would be so much easier ....
I couldn't agree more Gaz, why on earth are people getting out of their prams and moaning about a nanny state just because they have to press a button four times?
OK its not as convenient as surfing other channels, but would you rather go back to the old system whereby you couldn't watch a 15 or 18 pre watershed? Blimey guys not everything in life is a conspiracy...

RamJet 02-08-2010 06:40
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35065985)
That would contravene Ofcom requirements.
Ok I see that but the OFCOM position is untenable for this reason -

If they allow all channels except for 'Premium Subscription Channels' to show 15's during the day without PIN-burden this is unfair-play to (a) us - the people who pay the bills (b) the Premium Subscription Channels themselves ( from time to time I consider ditching Sky Movies because of this PIN-burden problem )

Perhaps this draconian system was designed to meet the situation where R18 films were to be shown in the day - that would be a case where it would be reasonable for a mandatory requirment for the input of a PIN number each and every time you change to a new R18 channel

spiderplant 02-08-2010 07:56
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35066087)
Perhaps this draconian system was designed to meet the situation where R18 films were to be shown in the day - that would be a case where it would be reasonable for a mandatory requirment for the input of a PIN number each and every time you change to a new R18 channel
No, Ofcom are quite clear about that. They don't consider PINs adequate protection to allow 18-rated adult material during the day, or R18 at any time.

oblong 02-08-2010 22:07
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Didn't used to be able to watch 15 and 18 films in the day. OFCOM have come up with a compromise so's we can. Well done to them.

RamJet 03-08-2010 19:49
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
I suppose the real problem is this "Do we need An Ofcom" at all

it's a bit of a dinosaur leftover from the old Nanny State that used to exit pre 11th May 2010

I doubt many people took much notice if it - in my own household when the kids were <18 I and the wife decided what was suitable for viewing

In the new 'Burn the Quangos' world I guess the government will shortly abolish it

other civilised Western Countries dont need An OFCOM - it's enough to put warning triangles up top-right-of-screen and have full proram information

bit like the BBFC - just give us the program info and the decision can be made in the home where it should be - locally

spiderplant 03-08-2010 20:53
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35067138)
other civilised Western Countries dont need An OFCOM
Really?

Australia Australian Communications and Media Authority ACMA
Austria Rundfunk und Telekom Regulierungs-GmbH RTR
Belgium Institut Belge des services Postaux et de Télécommunications BIPT
Bulgaria Communications Regulation Commission CRC
Canada Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission CRTC
Croatia Hrvatska agencija za poštu i elektroničke komunikacije HAKOM
Cyprus Office of the Commissioner of Electronic Communications and Postal Regulation OCECPR
Czech Republic Český telekomunikačnÃ* úřad CTU
Denmark Telestyrelsen - National Telecom Agency NTA
Estonia KONKURENTSIAMET KONKURENTSIAMET
Finland Viestintävirasto Kommunikationsverket FICORA
France Autorité de Régulation des Communications Electroniques et des Postes ARCEP
Germany Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität, Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen BNETZA
Greece National Telecommunications and Post Commission EETT
Hungary Nemzeti HÃ*rközlési Hatóság NHH
Iceland Póst- og fjarskiptastofnun PTA
Ireland Commission for Communications Regulation ComReg
Italy AutoritÃ* per le Garanzie nelle Comunicazioni Agcom
Latvia Sabiedrisko pakalpojumu regulesanas komisija SPRK
Liechtenstein Amt für Kommunikation AK
Lithuania Ryšių reguliavimo tarnyba RRT
Luxembourg Institut Luxembourgeois de Régulation ILR
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia Agency for electronic communications AEC
Malta Malta Communications Authority MCA
Netherlands Onafhankelijke Post en Telecommunicatie Autoriteit OPTA
Norway Post- og teletilsynet PT
Poland Urzędu Komunikacji Elektronicznej UKE
Portugal Autoridade Nacional de Comunicações ANACOM
Romania Autoritatea Naţională pentru Administrare şi Reglementare în Comunicaţii ANCOM
Slovak Republic Telekomunikacný úrad Slovenskej republiky TO SR
Slovenia Agencija za pošto in elektronske komunikacije RS APEK
Spain Comisión del Mercado de las Telecomunicaciones CMT
Sweden Post- och Telestyrelsen PTS
Switzerland Office fédéral de la Communication OFCOM
Turkey Bilgi Teknolojileri ve İletişim Kurumu BTK
United Kingdom Office of Communications Ofcom
United States Federal Communications Commission FCC

Digital Fanatic 03-08-2010 22:32
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35067138)
I suppose the real problem is this "Do we need An Ofcom" at all

it's a bit of a dinosaur leftover from the old Nanny State that used to exit pre 11th May 2010

I doubt many people took much notice if it - in my own household when the kids were <18 I and the wife decided what was suitable for viewing

In the new 'Burn the Quangos' world I guess the government will shortly abolish it

other civilised Western Countries dont need An OFCOM - it's enough to put warning triangles up top-right-of-screen and have full proram information

bit like the BBFC - just give us the program info and the decision can be made in the home where it should be - locally
Without Ofcom the likes of Sky could do what they want... you'd have no Sky Movies/sports on cable, never mind HD!

Someone had to keep a watch on platforms and make sure the viewer is protected.

frogstamper 03-08-2010 23:26
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35067182)
Really?

Australia Australian Communications and Media Authority ACMA
Austria Rundfunk und Telekom Regulierungs-GmbH RTR
Belgium Institut Belge des services Postaux et de Télécommunications BIPT
Bulgaria Communications Regulation Commission CRC
Canada Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission CRTC
Croatia Hrvatska agencija za poÅ¡tu i elektroničke komunikacije HAKOM
Cyprus Office of the Commissioner of Electronic Communications and Postal Regulation OCECPR
Czech Republic Český telekomunikačnÃ* úřad CTU
Denmark Telestyrelsen - National Telecom Agency NTA
Estonia KONKURENTSIAMET KONKURENTSIAMET
Finland Viestintävirasto Kommunikationsverket FICORA
France Autorité de Régulation des Communications Electroniques et des Postes ARCEP
Germany Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität, Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen BNETZA
Greece National Telecommunications and Post Commission EETT
Hungary Nemzeti HÃ*rközlési Hatóság NHH
Iceland Póst- og fjarskiptastofnun PTA
Ireland Commission for Communications Regulation ComReg
Italy AutoritÃ* per le Garanzie nelle Comunicazioni Agcom
Latvia Sabiedrisko pakalpojumu regulesanas komisija SPRK
Liechtenstein Amt für Kommunikation AK
Lithuania RyÅ¡ių reguliavimo tarnyba RRT
Luxembourg Institut Luxembourgeois de Régulation ILR
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia Agency for electronic communications AEC
Malta Malta Communications Authority MCA
Netherlands Onafhankelijke Post en Telecommunicatie Autoriteit OPTA
Norway Post- og teletilsynet PT
Poland Urzędu Komunikacji Elektronicznej UKE
Portugal Autoridade Nacional de Comunicações ANACOM
Romania Autoritatea Naţională pentru Administrare şi Reglementare în Comunicaţii ANCOM
Slovak Republic Telekomunikacný úrad Slovenskej republiky TO SR
Slovenia Agencija za pošto in elektronske komunikacije RS APEK
Spain Comisión del Mercado de las Telecomunicaciones CMT
Sweden Post- och Telestyrelsen PTS
Switzerland Office fédéral de la Communication OFCOM
Turkey Bilgi Teknolojileri ve İletişim Kurumu BTK
United Kingdom Office of Communications Ofcom
United States Federal Communications Commission FCC
Maybe he should have done a "little" more research before making that claim, unless of course these are all "uncivilized" countries.;)

---------- Post added at 00:26 ---------- Previous post was at 00:24 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35067255)
Without Ofcom the likes of Sky could do what they want... you'd have no Sky Movies/sports on cable, never mind HD!

Someone had to keep a watch on platforms and make sure the viewer is protected.
I think ramjet is looking at banning OFCOM from an ideological viewpoint, judging from his previous posts.:shrug:

Stuart 03-08-2010 23:53
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35067138)
other civilised Western Countries dont need An OFCOM - it's enough to put warning triangles up top-right-of-screen and have full proram information

bit like the BBFC - just give us the program info and the decision can be made in the home where it should be - locally
And why do you think Sky have been so vocal in trying to get Ofcom abolished or severely cut back? Because they want to provide their own programme information? Or because Ofcom has been known to actively intervene in Sky's attempts to use their effectively infinite resources to cripple their competition.

Remember, Sky is owned by (and has access to the resources of) the largest media corporation on the planet, and one of the largest corporations of any description. Remove OFCOM, and all you achieve is to pass control of the UK media to a private corporation that is only accountable to it's owner, and shareholders, the bulk of whome probably have little or no interest in this country or it's population.

RamJet 05-08-2010 10:44
Re: sky movie channels and a pin code?
 
Ok I seem to be in a small minority here but as a compromise howabout :-

1. We keep OFCOM with all its teeth regulating the big broadcasting companies and making sure Sky don't take over the world and the BBC keeps on producing the best Website ever in human history

2. ban/stop/curtail/ OFCOM's intrusive intervention in the British public's home viewing - remove their mandatory and arbitary controls on home viewing set-top boxes so adults and parents can decide what is viewed in their own households

NB : I belive the VM set-top box has a function whereby the account-holder/adult can set the permissions for each channel.

All that need to be done is for it to be made compulsory for the permissions to be set when the box is set-up and it be compulsory for permissions to be set by the parent/adult/VM-customer for viewing programs/groups under various classifications eg 15s and 18s and yes even R18s


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