Second hand V+ boxes
 

Hi All,

Im thinking about buying a second hand V+ box (purely because I cant afford the £64 VM are asking) I'm not interested in using HD, nor do I have an HD TV. However, I would like to use the "V+" function, so that I can record programmes, palse live TV etc in standard quality. If I were to buy such a box, would it be as simple as sloting my Virgin card into it to use it for this purpose? since Im not actually trying to use any extra channels i.e HD channels, I already have the XL TV package, just not HD.


Cheers,

Re: Second hand V+ boxes
 

But... the box isn't theirs to sell i.e. they're all rented from VM afaik - nobody owns their box like you do a Sky box. So it must be hookey, or at least 'grey'.

Sounds iffy to me.

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lol "iffy" :).... it seems that there are and have been a few people selling theirs online, presumably VM dont want them back as they are older models? compared with those on VM website now?? saorry, what does Hookey and Grey mean?


Thanks for your reply!

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You cannot buy a second hand v+ box and use it on the network. Virgin need to supply one for you.

'Hooky' and 'Grey' boxes are used to steal services - which we do not allow discussion of on here.

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Thanks for your reply. However, I'm not trying to nor interested in "stealing" anything. I only want to record the channnels/ services etc that I subscribe to, nothing more, nothing less, no stealing of any sort!

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No where did I say you were. I only answered the question you asked. You asked what the meanings were and I told you, I did not say you were stealing anything.

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You have indeed answered the question, and appologies for my shortness. Your reply wasn't entirly the answer I was expecting, since my intensions were harmless, not knowing that much about the boxes, your tone came accross this end that you thought my motive was more sinister, as you finished the sentence "which we do not allow discussion of on here." suggesting that I did something wrong, in this case stealing.

There are a number of people who have finshed their contracts with VM who no longer want the boxes and in some cases VM have told them that they dont want it back either, thus selling them, rather than putting them in the bin.

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Virgin require all V+HD boxes back - no one should be selling them or putting them in the bin

It is only some of the oldest 'normal' STBs that Virgin at times say they don't require to be returned

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The Vbox will not work unless you have it ordered and installed by Virginmedia as we need to have the box listed on your account with a paired card that only we can set up for you.

If you buy a second box you are actually receiving stolen property that will not work, so you will have just bought an expensive doorstop.

Do not believe what the seller tells you about it working and being able to record programmes as it is all lies.

Also we are in the middle of a card upgrade which will prevent virtually every single illegal box from working.

The cost you have been quoted is quite good for a box that lets you record 2 TV shows while allowing you to view a third.

I am a member of Virginmedia staff just check my signature and forget about your alleged bargain and get one legitimately if you really require one.

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That is an interesting choice of words.

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How so.:)

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Wont work, you'l have to stump up the cash or do without im afraid

Re: Second hand V+ boxes
 

Thanks to you all. It appears to be a much more complex issue than I was expecting. However, all my questions have now been answered, and I'm wiser for it, and on that note, I'm calling it a night..... I need my beauty sleep more than a V+ box :)

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It is not a good idea to get a box from anyone other than Virginmedia as they tend to turn into doorstops as above, and you will probably not get your money back either.

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the problem is tho that VM dont ask for them back although they are meant to, i know from personal experience.

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Which is the reason why they end up on ebay waiting for some unsuspecting fool to buy one thinking it will work when it simply will not.

Just to clarify for those still confused with this thread is that if the box and card are not registered as being installed by virgin media they simply will not work. Every box and/or card has a seperate ID number and no you can NOT change the ID to one of a box you already own

Re: Second hand V+ boxes
 

We are starting to ask for their return and you can request a free returns packaging from Customer Services.

Buy a Vbox and let it hold your door open by all means.:D

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Virgin officially do ask for them back, it's just some agents don't process the disconnection correct and order the returns pack or pick up visit

Once Virgin finally introduce the non-return replacement charging for all customers I would say the returns will improve for some reason ;)

Re: Second hand V+ boxes
 

yes thats true but then if people didnt buy them people wouldnt sell them, im not saying that its right far from it but people play on other peoples ignorance & yes your correct they wont work.

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VM have been saying that they would start doing this for years, however im yet to see it happen.

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not just that tho, some CS dont even ask for it back.

Re: Second hand V+ boxes
 

If they buy a lemon then tough the have been enough warnings about 2nd hand boxes.



Well very soon it will become chargeable if not returned which will stop this happening.

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With out reading the small print - If "anyone loans kit" in return for a service. The collection of that item is down the the supplier ,it is NOT for the customer to arrange its return.
They must offer reasonable access for the supplier to collect.
That is a passive action they are not required to move the goods off the premises.
Also if not collected in reasonable time frame ( normally 14 days) They have the right to charge for storage.
They can dispose of the item after twelve months ( having given notice that they intend to do so) as they see fit.

I would keep a full paper trail if going down this route. Names dates copies for letters E mails etc:Yes:

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Isn't that what I said?!

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couldnt agree more mate.

will that be on just V+ receivers or on everything ie modems, V receivers, routers etc ?

Re: Second hand V+ boxes
 

That will be for Ben to answer, I doubt routers would be included as we only offer a 2 year warranty on them.

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probably the phrase

'....will prevent virtually every single illegal box from working.'

rather than 'every'. The term virtually may give the stealers/CS a chink of hope that there maybe some avenue to continue to ply their seedy, illegal trade

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Always best to leave the question open to prevent someone going "Oh no you are wrong":D

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Everything except routers.

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thanks for the info mate.

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thanks mate.

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I don't understand, why not routers too?

I thought ALL equipment remained the property of VM, and is therefore VM's responsibility to dispose of in accordance with the WEEE directive.

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I think this is misconception of WEEE. There is no actual responsibility to collect equipment under WEEE if it's not being replaced by something else if the company is part of the Takeback scheme i.e. local recycling centres

So if you buy a Cooker from Currys, and then later on you don't want it anymore you wouldn't be able to force Currys to collect it as they would tell you to take it to the recycling centre

The only time there is usually a requirement to collect old items is where a company is replacing them. So if you buy a new cooker Currys will normall take the old one away

So Virgin will collect the equipment they can reuse easily.

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I confess I don't know all the ins and outs of the WEEE directive, but every one of your examples refers to buying equipment and is the consumers property, and is, therefore, their responsibility to dispose of correctly, including returning to the manufacturer where possible.

In the VM case ALL equipment remains VM's property and the disposal remains, in my understanding, VM's reponsibility.

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The WEEE regulations talk about "distribution" - whether equipment is sold, rented or given away makes no difference.

VM recycle much more than they are obliged to under WEEE.

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... and by manufacturers it also includes rebranders.... is this the reason why you say routers are exempt, because VM haven't rebranded them?

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This argument has been here before and Virginmedia do all that is required of them under the regulations, plus they wil be shortly ensuring that many more boxes are retrieved from customers premises either via an engineer visit or by Customer Services sending out returns packaging.;)

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I didn't realise it was an argument, I was only wondering why you made an exception of routers.

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No I said that this argument has been here before.

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Anyway as the combined router/modems are coming it will soon be a discussion that no longer needs to happen ;)

Re: Second hand V+ boxes
 

indeed... they look cool too :)