Peers at the trough?
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/politics/10439805.stm

Nice 'work' if you can get it eh?
:mad:

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I thought I was lucky to get £100 a day for each day of supply teaching..:erm:

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I find it staggering.. I had to go through some many hoops to even attempt to claim my train fares to and from my recent first aid course , and that was just £2.60 a day, yet it seems working in Westminster, you can claim for pretty much anything.

I say "attempt" because work requires tickets, or other proof. However, I used my Oyster and for some reason, although they are able to give me print outs showing money coming off my pre-pay balance, TFL deny I made any journeys on that card on that period.. But that's a moan for another thread.

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Obviously corrupt Governments are not just a thing for third world countries then. :erm:
Still, We knew that all along didn`t we. Thieving *******s.:mad:

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Peers are not elected so they are not really Governement
They are an arachic link to the past and a drain the country could well do without. However they have been a buffer thats kept out some crazy laws so I guess its swings and roundabouts

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Sorry mate, my mistake. I just got mixed up with the politicians and expenses.:)

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Can't believe I missed this, I must be slipping in my old age and not paying enough attention to the propaganda of the right wing press.... :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ay-200000.html

I wonder how many of us wouldn't have been prosecuted in similar circumstances?? :mad:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15718233

Great! :mad:

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That is so wrong on so many levels.

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as i understand it this woman owns more that one property -that means one can be sold off to repay the money she stole

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firstly "wrongly claimed" should read "knowingly stole from the tax payer"

secondly ,how in gods name can the House of Lords not be able to force a peer to repay a debt owed .If i was cought fiddling expenses on that level i would be hauled in front of the courts by the company and ordered to pay the money back not to mention losing my job

Thirdly ,why can't they pay her the £300 a day expenses but just not give it her untill the debt is payed

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she's a disgrace to the house and the nation there must be a way to oust her

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apparently only the queen can do that ,so i ask myself ,why doesn't she

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and another thing ,how come Commons members get sent to jail (well some do ) but peers of the realm don't ?

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petition time ;)

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nope that just won't cut it ,this is definitely an angry mob brandishing pitch forks occasion

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I think that's all down to the interpretation by the Lords authorities and, in particular, official guidance offered after the event.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257391/Absurd-rules-allow-expenses-fiddling-peers-dodge-justice.html#ixzz1dhk1ZRKj

Apparently, Keir Starmer (Director of Public Prosecutions)

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so basically the peers can make their own rules :rolleyes: that figures :mad:

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sadly she dont care.

I always thought people convicted lost peerage so why is Archer kept his too.

Although Zing makes valid point the peers have kept some scandalous bills from seeing light of day. Its corrupted by governments giving peerage to make sure the onus is balanced into there favour so there crazy bills get in.

Its scandalous they not forced to pay back what they stole even worse allowed back they should be stripped and jailed.

£300 a day criminally disgusting wage. Most are millionairres although deserve a pay it should be token £100 a day still healthy £500 a week.

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Set one up and i will sign it and advertise the bugger as much as i can.

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For some reason the link in my previous post no longer works so here it is again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1dhk1ZRKj

:confused:

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And l will second that.

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Only in your world matey! :mad:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16175509

I still can't believe these people had the gall to try to resume their offices at all!

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Yes it does beggar belief that they tried to get their offices back.:(

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I still cannot understand why the Lords cannot find a way of banning these people completely for ever, there you have these "elite" who have the power to change laws in some cases fiddling IE Lord Taylor,Lord Hanningfield,Lady uddin,and Perjurors in the case of Jeffrey Archer all able to eventually sit again in judgment of us all.

Does not surprise me they have their snouts in the trough on the wider issue why do they do it,because they can i guess is the answer, and because uintil caught they think they are immune from the rules that govern us ie the non elite of society, its all very corrupt sadly.:(

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Not sure how to set one up but like you i would sign it if there was one.!

Its hard to see how those in the House of lords who have done time is some cases,and will not repay fiddled expenses in others have the gall to return,if it was me i would never show my face again.:mad:

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After voluntarily working for a political party and meeting lots of our elected representatives both good and not so good i can believe they have the gall,some of them are completely shameless:mad:,although i l like to think they are in the minority.

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Their Lordship's aren't paid (for being a peer at least). That said they should obey the spirit of the law as that's really what counts. They should have expenses paid where reasonable but shouldn't claim where they don't need to. That said sometimes the letter of the law means they have to claim that way even when it's "silly".

As for those peers gaoled, they should pay back before they resume their seats and maybe even not be allowed to affect laws linked to the crimes they have been found guilty of. (Some still have good brains and abilities that it would be a waste to not use.)

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Peers although not offically paid get a £300 attendance allowance plus "expenses" ,if they want and some do they can come into London sneak off and do some shopping and go home although obviously many stay,so it is a pay of sorts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-2031031.html

As for letting them carry on sitting well nobody is indispensable despite having brains,i am sure brainy people are frothing at the mouth to get in for all the privelidge the title brings with it, for example if i robbed a bank (many would say those peers robbed the public bank) i doubt wether i would get a job ever again in the financial service sector,or anywhere else perhaps and i would be sacked from my current one without a doubt.

Yet these peers are allowed to remain well surely if their brains were that good they would never have got themselves into the mess they did,their brains would have told them it was not worth it.!;)

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17827746

Breathtaking gall!! :mad:

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If that was you or me we would have been in jail.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18227036

Yet another?

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If she's guilty of breaking the rules, she should be punished.
However, from the same story in the Times
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/p...cle3427510.ece

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Sacked is the only option for anyone stealing money or committing fraud

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Or heaven forbid, jail.

Better yet, jail term, plus 50% interest on the amount stolen.

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She paid the money that what have been spent on hotels, to the person she was staying with. It was only for a total of 12 days spread over six weeks. She spent other times at a hotel.

If somebody claimed long term for a room in somebody else's house and they were not sleeping in that room, but with their lover who was receiving the money to help pay of their mortgage, then that would be fraud. Claiming expenses for your constituency home whilst supposedly staying in a room at your sister's house or you are provided with government housing(ie 10 Downing St), would again be fraud.

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I reckon it's about time we heard of some 'oversights' which actually cost our glorious leaders some money. That'd help redress the balance a little. :D

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This is even more damning than the first part?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18227036

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Why is it that damning? The letting of the property came a lot later(June 2010). The expenses issue was 2 years earlier(early 2008).

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If you read what I quoted and also she has only just has this information come to light? Plus this as well?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18234167

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She reported the rental income on the register of Ministers' interests and more importantly for tax purposes, she just forgot a different register of Lords' interests. Nothing was really hidden, so why all the fuss?
Speaking of reporting of income for tax purposes, whatever happened to Tessa Jowell and her hubby about their tax dodging and money laundering. They eventually paid the tax, but had deliberately planned not to, until they were caught out. Eventually paying the tax is proof that they wanted to dodge it.

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Ok I will stand up and be corrected :( But all of these who have cheated should be shot :mad:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19746949

Good!

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25411182

More nice 'work' if you can get it eh?

It seems their consciences don't get the better of them when it comes to allowances...

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I think the Lords needs sorting out and i thought that was being done but obviously not ,and for Hanningfield to suggest that most Lords do it then there is definitely something wrong with the system

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Reasons why a revolution is inevitable, are springing up constantly in government. aren't they.