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punky

02-06-2010 01:07

Apple in shafting-the-people-that-make-them-rich shock.

They're at it again.

http://www.macstories.net/news/steve...-own-desktops/

You have to wonder

1. Why anyone bothers investing time and money devdeloping for their platform

2. How they regularly abuse their position yet none seems to care.

zing_deleted

02-06-2010 01:20

Re: Apple in shafting-the-people-that-make-them-rich shock.

because no matter what they do people will just love Apple.

Their products have been tested and often their are better alternatives but the fanboy will always buy an Apple product . Some people appear to defend them with theor very soul lol

LSainsbury

02-06-2010 13:24

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Only one small problem with this article that is being passed around as truth: My Frame 1.2 is in the app store right now!

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The app is still on the App Store. It’s just depressing viral marketing.

Damien

02-06-2010 23:39

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Originally Posted by punky (Post 35032527)

You have to wonder

1. Why anyone bothers investing time and money devdeloping for their platform

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2. How they regularly abuse their position yet none seems to care.

Because it's not anti-competitive. A lot of platform holders decide who goes on their platform. It would be more worrying if iPhone OS was on many platforms and a de-facto standard and they started removing apps that compete with their core business (such as web browsers).

They suffer when developers refuse to develop for such a platform though.

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 35032531)

Such tribalism is exactly the type of thing that causes competitors to underestimate the impact Apple can have when it enters a new market, like it did with the iPod, like it did with the iPhone.

Better is a subjective term and whilst it is certainly true you can almost always find a better specced item at a lower price than Apple's offerings it doesn't mean it's better. The quality of execution from Apple, from the UI, the marketing, the 'feel' and build quality of devices and all the attention to small details are a big reason Apple do well.

You can dismiss that as Apple Fanboyism but look at the success of Apple's products. It's clearly not limited to Apple fans buying them.

Maggy

03-06-2010 01:17

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35033112)

Because they mostly make a lot of money. If they are not the ones being rejected of course. Some Mac Developers much as Panic are not submitting anything to the store however because of their position.

Because it's not anti-competitive. A lot of platform holders decide who goes on their platform. It would be more worrying if iPhone OS was on many platforms and a de-facto standard and they started removing apps that compete with their core business (such as web browsers).

They suffer when developers refuse to develop for such a platform though.

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Such tribalism is exactly the type of thing that causes competitors to underestimate the impact Apple can have when it enters a new market, like it did with the iPod, like it did with the iPhone.

Better is a subjective term and whilst it is certainly true you can almost always find a better specced item at a lower price than Apple's offerings it doesn't mean it's better. The quality of execution from Apple, from the UI, the marketing, the 'feel' and build quality of devices and all the attention to small details are a big reason Apple do well.

You can dismiss that as Apple Fanboyism but look at the success of Apple's products. It's clearly not limited to Apple fans buying them.

Seriously you think that buying a product that is three times the price of any competing product ISN'T fanboyism? :erm:

zing_deleted

03-06-2010 01:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35033112)

Which magazine did a test on portable media devices and the Ipod didnt come top

Steve Jobs. Bill Gates peas same pod and not I

Maggy

03-06-2010 01:25

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 35033187)

Which magazine did a test on portable media devices and the Ipod didnt come top

Steve Jobs. Bill Gates peas same pod and not I

Yep I bet they weren't regarded as being value for money..:D

Damien

03-06-2010 07:15

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35033185)

Seriously you think that buying a product that is three times the price of any competing product ISN'T fanboyism? :erm:

No, Look how successful the iPod and iPhone have been. You can't accuse all of them of being fanboys.

Maggy

03-06-2010 10:20

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35033206)

No, Look how successful the iPod and iPhone have been. You can't accuse all of them of being fanboys.

And how many people don't have Ipods? :wavey:Who are quite happy with the cheaper alternatives(not knock off Ipods either).:wavey:

Damien

03-06-2010 11:35

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35033244)

And how many people don't have Ipods? :wavey:Who are quite happy with the cheaper alternatives(not knock off Ipods either).:wavey:

Good for them but Apple are sitting on a massive pile of cash. iPods, iPhones and now iPads are very successful. There is a reason other than fanboyism that they sell well.

zing_deleted

03-06-2010 11:46

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35033287)

Good for them but Apple are sitting on a massive pile of cash. iPods, iPhones and now iPads are very successful. There is a reason other than fanboyism that they sell well.

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 35032531)

because no matter what they do people will just love Apple.

Their products have been tested and often their are better alternatives but the fanboy will always buy an Apple product . Some people appear to defend them with theor very soul lol

broadbandking

03-06-2010 11:48

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35033244)

And how many people don't have Ipods? :wavey:Who are quite happy with the cheaper alternatives(not knock off Ipods either).:wavey:

Its choice at the end of the day, Macs are normally better for music makers and graphic designers, just choice at the end of the day.

zing_deleted

03-06-2010 11:52

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Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35033297)

Its choice at the end of the day, Macs are normally better for music makers and graphic designers, just choice at the end of the day.

if you read the correct tuts and build a machine using compatible parts you can build and Mac and PC in one a lot cheaper than buying a Mac. Ive had OSX on both AMD and Intel based machines and since Macs are now built around Intel there is no hardware difference anymore

Damien

03-06-2010 12:04

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 35033295)

Their products have been tested and often their are better alternatives but the fanboy will always buy an Apple product . Some people appear to defend them with theor very soul

Again. Better is a subjective term. The hardware design and UI designs are two areas where it becomes even more subjective.

I don't see the relevance anyway since, as I mentioned, the success of Apple products suggests their market has outgrown the niche following they had before and you cannot presume that all that has happened is that all these new customers are also fanboys. Which is a stupid term anyway used to dismiss people without reason.

zing_deleted

03-06-2010 12:25

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I wasnt saying new customers are fanboys ;)

ZrByte

03-06-2010 15:54

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 35033316)

I wasnt saying new customers are fanboys ;)

Though they are often drawn in by the hype created by the fanboys. Then one of two things generally happen, they either 1) Become a fanboy and spread the good word or 2) End up filled with regret when they realise apple is far from all its cracked up to be and on average seems to cost at least 50% more than its rivals whom often have more features.
Of course there is that rarest of them all third category of people who buy one and think it's okay, then never speak of it again!
I'm the second one by the way :rolleyes: On the plus side fanboyism creates great second hand prices :D

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