Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35012962)

You need separate areas for different clans or trouble is guaranteed.

Originally Posted by DaiNasty (Post 35012981)

Sounds like a job for the NuLabor thought police. Definitely racist, discriminatory or judgmental.. Oh how I'd love to see them tackle that hot potato.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35012962)

The majority of travellers are fine. We have a large number in this area which also has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. However even our local lot would turn their noses up at tinkers (their classification). Problem is there are not enough pitches available for the number of travellers in the right area. You need separate areas for different clans or trouble is guaranteed. One of our wealthiest villages has several privately owned pitches and no trouble. The problem is with a few trouble makers and then unfairly tarring them all with the same brush.

This village has done the right thing - for them. The right thing for everyone, is more pitches in the right areas where some control can be gained. The nimbys are in many cases making things worse rather than better .

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35013091)

They install utilities... hrmm... I would suspect 'steal' is a better word given that only utilities companies can actually install them.

Needs a change in the law if the police can't stop it. Ridiculous the suggestion that they can go onto land they don't own and tarmac it like this. I refuse to believe it's legal for them to tap the electricity and water supplies like this. If it is legal it's crazy.

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Interesting that you seem to think you know the right thing for everyone.

Being travellers surely they can travel? I would have thought that if they can afford to come into an area with heavy machinery, attack the countryside and steal utilities they can afford to rent pitches where they are available.

If there are none available where they want to be they'll have to do what the rest of us do if we can't live where we want to and go somewhere else. It's not society's job to accommodate the need for 'clans' to live apart and again it doesn't excuse their actions. I can't just start building a house somewhere because I want to live there.

One rule for one and one for others isn't acceptable, but it's what you are suggesting, that society shape itself around their wants and desires. Doesn't work that way. This ignoring that what they are trying to do is quite simply illegal.

The scenario you describe seems to work only for travellers, where everyone else puts themselves out for their benefit and to cater to their needs.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35013105)

The villagers will regret this when they're left with no pegs to hang out their clothes.;)

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35013091)

They install utilities... hrmm... I would suspect 'steal' is a better word given that only utilities companies can actually install them.

Needs a change in the law if the police can't stop it. Ridiculous the suggestion that they can go onto land they don't own and tarmac it like this. I refuse to believe it's legal for them to tap the electricity and water supplies like this. If it is legal it's crazy.

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Interesting that you seem to think you know the right thing for everyone.

Being travellers surely they can travel. I would have thought that if they can afford to come into an area with heavy machinery, attack the countryside and steal utilities they can afford to rent pitches where they are available.

If there are none available where they want to be they'll have to do what the rest of us do if we can't live where we want to and go somewhere else. It's not society's job to accommodate the need for 'clans' to live apart and again it doesn't excuse their actions.

One rule for one and one for others isn't acceptable, but it's what you are suggesting, that society shape itself around their wants and desires. Doesn't work that way. This ignoring that what they are trying to do is quite simply illegal.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35013110)

Thing is, IF pitches are in sensible places it gives the police and neighbourhoods more power to move them on. Ignoring things and doing nothing just causes more aggravation and expense. Surely it is better to have them paying their way like the rest of society. Privately run sites tend to stick to the clan & satellite families. Council run sites take all & sundry with waiting times far in excess of those on the housing list due to the extreme shortage of pitches nationally.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013112)

do they really ?

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013112)

do they really ?

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35013293)

I can only go by those families of travellers we have locally.

The reason councils have more power to evict if they have pitches available it the judge can clearly see there is a suitable place for them to go to. The eviction will be granted quickly as the travellers have lost the excuse of no where else to go.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013323)

i was commenting on the "paying their way like the rest of society" you made

if they pay income tax ,national insurance ,council tax and all the other basic living expenses that i and the majority of people pay then i am happy for the LA's to build sites for them if not then they can go sing

Originally Posted by beeman (Post 35013655)

they didnt "steel" the land from anyone they brought it a few months earlier.

Originally Posted by beeman (Post 35013655)

In this case the ONLY offense committed it changing the use of a property without appropriate planning permission (Though they have applied for the permission they started the work before securing said permission, something which they unlikely to get because the NIMBY's would never allow it).

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35013746)

You've got to admire their determination.

Originally Posted by beeman (Post 35013655)

In this case the ONLY offense committed it changing the use of a property without appropriate planning permission (Though they have applied for the permission they started the work before securing said permission, something which they unlikely to get because the NIMBY's would never allow it).