Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Seems having cameras watching our every move is not enough anymore to the powers that be.


"The advice comes in a letter from the Metropolitan Police to pubs in Croydon, South London.

Among World Cup guidance, it suggests "dress code restrictions - eg no football shirts".

It also urges using plastic glasses and door staff.

Pubs are not obliged to follow the advice, but it warns: "Police will not hesitate to use powers under the Licensing Act should we find you are not actively supporting the prevention of crime."

Other forces could follow, but licensees' spokesman Bill Sharp said: "The World Cup should be a chance for people to enjoy the football in the pub." The Met said: "These are suggestions to make pubs safer."



What utter nonsense.

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Agreed

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OK:

1. Link?

2. Where does it say anywhere in that excerpt that they're 'banning' England shirts?

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Hmmmm.... Even more social engineering by Big Brother, as if its not bad enough.... :rolleyes:

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Sorry, am I reading a completely different OP to everybody else?

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Utter nonsense? I'll say.

Thread title says "Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup"

The quote says "Among World Cup guidance, it suggests....."

So no, the police are not banning anything (not that they have the power to anyway), just giving advice.

Another Mail-esque non-story.

re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

Here is a link which goes back to April 3rd LINK

Also more links HERE

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Thanks for the link, still no note there of the actual source of the story other than to say that it's from 'The Sun'. Also, still nothing (other than the journalist's interpretation of whatever the source was/is) to say that shirts are being 'banned'.

All I see is some rather sensationalist reporting, of something that is effectively a non-story, about powers that the police don't even have . . .

What a load of cobblers.

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And in other news, police to ban drinking out of glasses as well...

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Oh, here's the original 'story' in The Sun:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-Cup-pubs.html

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i can't wait to see the effectiveness of the "plastic door staff":D

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What are the chances The Sun picked up on someone else's April's Foll joke?

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It's political correctness gone mad!
Bloody foreigners!
Bring back national service!
I don't pay my taxes for this kind of nonsense!
George Orwell would be turning in his grave!
Etc.

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If this goes ahead " Plastic " door staff is all these places will need, because they will be empty.

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Sorry Russ, have you read the full story?
The police are basically threatening to take away licences if the landlords do not " toe the line " so to say.
So the thread title is well within order me thinks, if you think different, thats your right.

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Apparently, wearing an England Shirt makes you a thug in the eyes of the Law Earl of Bronze.
So maybe these draconian measures are needed? :erm:

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Funnily enough, nothing on the Met site for Croydon about this......

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Yes, I've read the the various links and nowhere do I see any announcement giving the police the power to ban an item of clothing from being worn. What I do see is guidance and advice given by the police as as part of an initiative to control trouble during the WC this year. Nowhere does it say pubs will have their licences removed for not banning England tops, only if the pub completely fail to do their bit to stop trouble kicking off.

The whole 'persecuted Englander in his own country" has never washed with me.

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Well spotted Rob, silly me, our country does not have a " football " team in the sense of the word " football "
I am linking a " football shirt " with " england shirt "
Two total different things hey? ;)

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I remember being with a friend in London, and a pub wouldn't let him in, as they had a no football shirt policy.

he pointed out it was actually a Wales rugby shirt, not a football shirt he was wearing, but they still wouldn't let him in!

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No they are threatning to withdraw licenses if pubs don't control their punters

Something that's been standard practice for years now. Still, if you can twist the facts to fit your own agenda, that's your right...

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There are not enough cells in London, if the police carried out this threat, it has been a tradition for years to wear shirts.

First of fags ban, which has killed the pub trade, then plastic glasses, now football shirts, whats it going to be next take your shoes off before entering a pub.

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Ah Arthur, I knew you wouldn't able to resist the bait of this thread :D

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Well the police in Lincolnshire Are NOT banning football shirts.

http://www.lincs.police.uk/News-Cent...In-Boston.html

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The Sun sensationalizes again!! note the first sentence,

"England shirts could be banned during the world cup"

"Pubs are not obliged to follow the advice, but it warns: "Police will not hesitate to use powers under the Licensing Act should we find you are not actively supporting the prevention of crime."

Whether customers wear football shirts or not you'd have thought it was a given that the police would "act" if a pub was "not actively supporting the prevention of crime".
So if landlords let customers wear football shirts and actively promote crime the police will act....shock horror indeed.

You heard it first in your mind numbing current bun.

Sunsationalism at its best.:)

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'Fags' not banned, merely the smoking of them in public places. Pub trade not dead, just not as healthy as it was but how much of that is down to the restrictions on smoking rather than ridiculous pricing? Apart from the fact that 'plastic glasses' don't exist, the drinking vessels In question have been about for years and are fairly common place - they're not being mandated, nor are glasses being banned. Football shirts are also nothing new, they are also not being banned. As for taking your shoes off before entering a pub, surely that would be unhygenic and potentially injurous to your health?

All in all a well balanced, constructed, and thought out post, that takes full account of the actual facts and doesn't sensationalise Arthur . . . Well done :erm:

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Can I point out that the story has be made out of one particular police authority area and taken and expanded to cover the whole UK...and it's not even true of the original authority.

So no need to get up in arms about anything EXCEPT the absolutely pathetic journalism employed to make up a story to sell newspapers.It's an absolute lie that NO ONE bothered to check up about at any of the papers concerned in 'reporting' the so called story.:mad:

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No it doesn't, it says that action will be taken if pubs do not actively take steps to reduce incidents.

As far as I know it is not a crime to wear any football shirt.

It would also have been handy of you had posted a link to the original source.

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There's a huge difference between "actively promoting crime" and "not actively supporting the prevention of crime".

Why is it a publicans job to "actively support the prevention of crime"? It's not, it's their job to follow licensing laws, and it's the polices job to actively prevent crime.

If it all kick off in a pub where the landlord has followed the licensing laws (e.g. not serving people who are clearly drunk) then that's their responsibility fulfilled. Wearing England tops or not doesn't come in to it. If people want to pick a fight based on a top being worn that is not for the landlords to "actively prevent".

The 3rd option, that lies between "actively promoting crime" and "not actively supporting the prevention of crime, of "doing what is required by law", should be all any landlord is expected to do, and threats of using licensing law to shut down pubs that are doing just that because they aren't following "guidance" that suggests infringing on the rights of it's patrons is ridiculous.

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Flyboy, tell me, what steps do you think the police could take?
One of them would be the revoking of their licence, correct?
You are correct in one aspect, it is not a crime to wear a football shirt, but it would seem that the Met with nothing better to do are making it one.
As for a link to the original source, I am quite sure that people who frequent these pages, including yourself, are intelligent enough to do a google?:erm:

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:tu::tu::tu:

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Punky, it is not the job of a landlord to " control their punters " as you put it.
Feel free to tell me how it is?
It is their job to refuse to serve a clearly drunk " punter "
Not refuse a " Punter " wearing a football shirt.
Tell me where you get your information from that it " has been standard practice for years now " to refuse to serve a person wearing a football shirt?
It is not me twisting the facts as you put it, but if you see it that way, that is your right, I really do not care.

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If that pub has a sign at the entrance stating what you claim that is their right, you still see pubs with signs at the entrance stating the dress code that they want in their pub.
If that is what they want and I happen to be wearing a football shirt I can visit another pub.
Shopping centres ban the wearing of hoodies, what is the difference?
But for the police to get involved in dictating what people should wear that is a different matter, if disorder breaks out because people are wearing football shirts that is the time to step in and make arrests.
Think I will do an information request asking for the figures relating to crime committed by football shirt wearing people.

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I don't think the Police can revoke licenses :confused: They can make recomendations to the licensing board but can't act as jury, judge and executioner.

Yep, but I am also very, very lazy. If you are going to post accusations like this at least provide a source so I don't have to expend any more energy than strictly necessary.

I'd disagree, part of their responsibilites as a landlord is to do everything in their powers to reduce crime. If teams of shoplifters use pubs to openly sell stolen goods or drugs are sold and consumed and the licencee condones it or turns a blind eye it's nothing to do with licensing laws but the Police wouldn't be happy about it.

I'll save you the bother, I seriously doubt that information would be recorded. If you want to ask about spikes in violence during football matches and their aftermath and by people under the influence of alcohol then feel free.

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Now now Derek, you're spoiling a good argument by trying to introduce facts into it again.

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Who is arguing? :erm:
No football shirt on here !

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They didn't - the Stunna (in your OP) reported the words "advice", "suggest", "guidance", and "not obliged", which is seems to me a world away from "revoke licences"........

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"Police will not hesitate to use powers under the Licensing Act should we find you are not actively supporting the prevention of crime."


What does that tell you?
So a licence would be revoked if a pub did not follow the dress code " advice " from the police.

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I have become invisible again.Perhaps a neon flashing nose and a police cone hat will get people to listen.:D

IT'S NOT A TRUE STORY.IT IS A LIE.

Therefore no need to argue about something that's not going to happen...:rolleyes:

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Both the premise license licence(which is granted to the pub), and the personal license(granted to the landlord), are awarded by the local authority, not the police. The police form part of the licensing panel and therefore can influence if a licence is granted or not, the same panel would also be responsible for any revocation at a licensing hearing.

If the terms of a license, either premise or personal are not being adhered to, the police have powers to close the establishment until they are satisfied that the terms of either license or being complied with.

BTW, the licensee ie Landlord definitely is responsible for ensuring the lawful conduct and general good order of people in any area covered by either license.

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I would seriouly doubt pubs allowing someone in an England top would be reason enough for a licence to be revoked.

If the story is true, it shows the Police are trying to reduce violence during the world cup rather than just mopping up the blood and teeth afterwards.

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It's not true.:dozey:

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I think there's a chance this story might not be true you know :D

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Yes it is.

Licensing Act 2003, section 161:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003...pt8-pb2-l1g161

And the fact that you are still being deliberately obtuse when ypu have been proven wrong just shows your character really.

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Don't think anyone is listening..I think they have their hands over their ears going lalalala...........;)

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so is this story true or not :confused:







:D

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How exactly does legislation allowing the police to close a licensed premises show it's the landlord's job to control their punters?
Obviously the landlord has some responsibility, but that doesn't stretch any further than making sure there's no obvious crimes being committed on their premises. Their responsibilities are purely reactive.

Also that's one of the most abused pieces of legislation going. I've seen countless officers shut down pubs for next to no reason (a fight starting outside completely unrelated to the pub for instance) citing their powers under the licensing act when the licensing act requires it to come from an Inspector or above. I've even challenged it happening citing the exact part of the act saying they didn't have the authority to and got told to go away or be arrested.

So do I trust the police to only shut down pubs when there is an actual real and immediate threat to the public, and not just because the pub has ignored it's guidance? No chance.

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I'd disagree, they can't just open their doors, get everyone tanked up and turn them loose. Licensees have to expect issues if their pubs and clubs are at the centre of trouble every weekend.

How do you know the decision to close the pub wasn't taken or at least OK'd by an Inspector or above and transmitted via radio to the cops on the ground.

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OK I will make this as clear as I can.

Pub doesn't control its punters -> causes disorder -> pub gets closed down -> landlord loses his job.

Understand?

Yes, i'm sure you're in a position to know exactly what the entire circumstances that mean a pub getting shut down. Let me guess - the ex-landlord told you?

Yes, i'm sure you're in a position to know that a pub was closed to down by a PC and not an Inspector.

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Punky, the only duty a landlord has is not to serve someone clearly over the limit, do you get that?
Closing a pub down because a landlord is not actively supporting the prevention of crime is bullocks.
Any prevention of crime, if wearing a shirt is a crime, is down to the police, nobody else.
That is what we pay their wages and pensions for and they retire at 50/55 with a nice wedge.
Why should landlords make up for the shortage of real police on the beat?
Feel free to answer.

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Apparently in the police state we live in yes.

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No maggy, it is true, the police have now found a new way of doing things.
Next will be telling old grannies not to visit the bank or post office to get their benefits, or they will be banged up for not actively preventing a crime.

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I think this whole story was secretly sponsored by sportswear companies wanting to get a higher profile for their google ads.:erm:

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Ok, let's be clear - the 'story' is true (in as much as it exists, and certain elements of it are true).

However: The police can not 'ban' and have not 'bannned' England football shirts in ANY pub.

The whole thing has been blown massively out of proportion by people with nothing better to do than to than try to create sensationalist reaction to otherwise fairly run of the mill stories.

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Read what you want Punky, you are still wrong.
A landlords only duty is not to serve a clearly drunk person, not put up dress codes dictated to by the police.

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well thats just taken the fun out of the thread :D i wanted to blame some "bloody foriegners " for taking our shirts :D

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Why let the truth get in the way of you blaming who ever you want for whatever you want? There are enough people around these parts only interested in the truth when it suits them :erm: Crack on, blame away :D

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http://forums.liverpooldailypost.co....136520&start=0


http://forums.crewechronicle.co.uk/v...p?f=6&t=136520

http://forums.icnorthwest.co.uk/view...136520&start=0

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/368187.php

Fairly run of the mill story hey?

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Better start another thread then.

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Back on topic please.

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This states differently...... This is why, in certain cities (Glasgow, for example) football team strips are now allowed in quite a few pubs, and strangely enough, the All Sports Bar in St. Helier doesn't allow football shirts.

And it's nothing new - from 2002 (which explains why).

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Or not serving someone under 18, or a whole bunch of other duties. Take a deep breath, try reading what punky posted and you might find that being a pub landlord isn't as simple as just refusing to serve drunks.

It's not though. It's good policing. If a certain premises are a focal point for crime maybe removing the focal point is a good idea.

It isn't though. End of story.

Nice to see your knowledge of police pensions is as extensive as your knowledge of policing in general and the licensing laws of the UK.

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A link to a forum thread where this is being discussed, that contains no more evidence of any bans.

Exactly the same thread, started by exactly the same poster, albeit on a different site - in fact, even the comments are identical.....

Oh dear, identical thread number 3 - I'm seeing a pattern here...

Ah well, at least this one's slightly different - even if it offers no more evidence of any 'ban' than the other one does.


You've posted links to 3 identical discussion threads and one news story. None of which offer any real evidence of a 'ban', none of which provide any new information, and none of which seem to provide any views/information not already available in this thread. You might have well just have linked back to Cable Forum or The Sun and been done with it.

It's still a run of the mill story, the fact that there are discussions of it going on about the Internet proves nothing - especially not when those discussions are started by sensationalist idiots with no less regard for the actual facts than they have for the sound of their own voices as they continue to cry fowl.

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Hmm, just ran this past the licensing officer who works for the same council as I do, not his interpetation at all(and i mean the first part of your statement).

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http://www.lincs.police.uk/News-Cent...In-Boston.html

:dozey:

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What would he know? - he just does it for a living.....;)

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I'm a member of the committee of the working men's club that was closed actually.

I think I should know the circumstances seeing as I was there, I talked to the police about it, and made sure I knew exactly why they were shutting it down.

Seeing as I asked the officer specifically on who's authority, and when he replied "mine" asked got his rank and badge number, yes, I think I was in a position to know that it was closed down by a PC and not an Inspector.

The fact that there was no trouble at the place when they arrived, that the incident happened 20mins before they got there, and there was no signs of anything happening mean that even if it was issued by an inspector it would have been against the legislation as there was no imminent or ongoing threat to public safety.

Also, the small matter of the letter of apology, and compensation for loss of business for having the club with a turnover of near 1mill/year closed at 9pm on a friday night kind of points to me having more than enough knowledge that the police abused their powers to shut it down.

Want to make any more assumptions?

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Again, knowingly allows is not the same as failing to actively prevent.

Once something happens, you have a legal duty to react. You don't have a legal duty to profile your patrons to ensure you don't let in anyone that may or may not at some point in the future cause trouble.

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If a landlord allows unlawful practices to be carried out on the licensed premises, he is partly culpable. If he does not ensure the conduct and order of his customers, he is also liable.

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No, I think you will find that it is also their duty to make sure their patrons do not cause a nuisance on, or near, their premises.

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Yes but that doesn't extend to having to vet his customers. Only to dealing with incidents when they occur.

There's a huge difference between allowing it, and it happening to happen on his premises. As long as when it happens it's dealt with then the Landlord has done nothing wrong, regardless of if they were following police guidance or not.

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Thousands of people will be wearing an england top when the world cup starts, what are the police gonna do, fine every single person? and ask them to take it off? then you get another fine for being topless.

Just stupid.

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Yes it would be. If it were true, but it isn't.

Besides the Police don't make up the laws, they can't just decide that wearing an England top is an offence.

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When I quote the law, and you just make up random rubbish? Why should I?

:rofl: I'll continue reading the law, you continue making up random rubbish then :rofl:

re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

Amazing how many people think that the police can just make up laws and enforce them as they see fit.
Then again if it was scrawled in the Sun it must be true, surely Rupert wouldn't mislead he's readers??:)

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That probably has something to do with a fair number of the police seemingly thinking they can make up the laws and enforce them as they see fit.

Most frontline police officers have little idea over most of the laws they're meant to be enforcing, and so bring people in for things they think are crimes yet aren't (public photography being a great example).

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if i had an England shirt and was sad enough to follow football ,i'd be really miffed :)

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If the Met cannot be bothered to challenge what was said why should people believe otherwise?
It was apparently an advisory with a threat.
As I have said, if a pub wishes to have their own dress code, not swayed by the government and law of this country then that is fine by me, I can just take my england shirted body and wallet to another pub.
And the market will dictate which pubs get bigger tills to count up.
The police should not be trying to make their jobs easier by dictating who a business should allow in.
If things get out of order the police act then, not before just to make their jobs easier.
What will we have next?

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You continue reading the law as you see it.
Let the Met issue a statement declaring it Random Rubbish.

re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

Question for you. Have the Met, or any other Police force in the UK, ever issued a statement saying that the wearing of football strips in a pub is forbidden?

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It is stupid, agree, but apparently, the met have not denied it, unless someone can point me to a link, you would not be able to get into those pubs that the police had advised if you have an england shirt on.
The police should have no say on dress codes, plain and simple.

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Answer for you, have the Met issued a statement denying the alleged?
It cannot be hard to do? there are I would assume, enough people in the PR department to see to it?

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Excellent. I've heard the Met are going round screwing banks and building societies to deal with their budget issues. It must be true because they haven't denied it. :rolleyes:

Your 'issues' with the Police are plain to see.
When you are ignoring what everyone else tells you, people pointing out the law in black and white to you and having no evidence whatsoever you still cling to the hope that they are dictating what people can and cannot wear it shows there is no hope of changing your mind.

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I'D wear my England shirt to the very death if i owned one ,and was sad enough to follow football ,i would defend my right to look like a complete prat in support of my working class heroes ,you'll never take me alive copper -look ma im on top of the world ,you dirty rats :)

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Of course as a Scotsman I'd be happy for it to be true and backed up with the death penalty :sniper: ;)

Mind you seeing as they are actually going to South Africa that may not be a million miles away from the truth. :erm:
Thats the real reason Scotland didn't qualify, it not because they are guff, its all a plan. :D

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IT ISN'T TRUE.

It's a made up lie.NO police force anywhere in the UK has banned the wearing of England shirts..so no need to get your girdle all twisted..:rolleyes:

re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

But, but they haven't denied it so it must be true - © arcamalpha2004

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Only posted 3 times by Maggy.

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I haven't denied being Lord Lucan, does that make me a homicidal fugitive. :D

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so you've been got at .is that what your trying to say ?
don't worry we wont let them get away with it
on with the shirts brave supporters and patriots
we shall not we shall not be moved blaaa blaaa blaaa ;)

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They haven't banned them, they've just issued guidance that says if pubs don't then they'll see it as not actively supporting the reduction of crime and if anything kicks off in their pubs they'll come down on them harder than if they had banned them.

It's not as ridiculous as banning them, but it's still ridiculous.

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Link?

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Really? They've issued guidance that says exactly that? Would they be prosecuting under the If Anything Kicks Off Act (1995)? ;)

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I can't believe that this thread is still going...it appears two posters have a real issue with our police overloads and that everybody else thinks its a non story.
Guys if you are that concerned go to the pub in your England shirt and test the waters, if nothing happens then kay-sa-ra it was just another Sunsationalist story:) But if the police come in the pub batons waving nicking all England shirted fans you'll get your chance to come back here and rub our noses in it.:D

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People who think this is a none story should look at the numerous groups being formed on Facebook.
Anyone stopped from entering a pub with an england shirt on should make their feelings known, in whatever fashion they seem appropriate.
This pandering to the minority in this country is getting too much.
If they are that offended by what people wear tough!

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Are any of the facebook groups in response to the Police actually banning the wearing of England tops or in response to the tabloid headlines which have been shown to be a load of cobblers?

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Liberalconspiracy I wouldn't count having a FaceBook page as an indicator of validity - for instance....

I Hate When Your Walking Home And A Hippo Just Falls On You

I Bet I Can Find 7 People Who Support Giving Dinosaurs The Right To Vote

Garden Gnome Liberation Front

re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

You still banging this drum?

When did Facebook groups become an appropriate indicator of the truth?

How about the Facebook group that's against Facebook charging for access (categorically not true)? How about the Facebook group campaigning against the BBC cancelling Top Gear (categorically not true)? How about the Facebook group that convinced a number of people that there was a virus running rampant on Facebook and gave instructions for deleting an application from your applications list (the application was actually only being shown due to a code bug in a recent change and was NECESSARY to enable you to be able to see your friends list properly, so categorically not true)?

The problem with Facebook groups like that is that they're normally started either by someone that's got so little in their life to hold on to that brings them joy that they feel the need to attract attention in order to feel important, or they're started by idiots that see a story and immediately start spouting about how 'outraged' they are before they've even checked the facts.
In the end all they succeeding in doing is convincing other idiots (who are similarly unable to tell truth from fiction, and similarly idiotic enough not to check the facts of something before screaming and shouting about a loss of their liberties) that they need to join the group and spread the word.

Pathetic.

re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

Anyone can set up a facebook group. For any reason. Some people are out to cause trouble. Some people lie. Facebook makes no attempt to check that the points raised by it's groups are true. Please bear all that in mind when deciding whether to believe something you read on facebook.
As long as that fashion is legal.

Except there is no ban, so they aren't pandering to anyone..
All of which just goes to disprove Douglas Adams. There is one thing that travels faster than Bad News in this Universe. False Bad News.

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Re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

Actually I prefer 'a Lie can run around the world faster than the truth can put it's boots on'. ;)

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Edited again to replect thats its a debate.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

This, like other similar stories, have their positives. They really help to weed out a lot of nasty and dimwitted people.

I left Facebook ages ago, but i've read that this latest craze of scaremongering is helping a lot of people finally clear out their "friend" list.

Re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

You'd think they should know better, but of course not:

When you want to make someone (especially the police) then play the "itz cuz I iz black init" card

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Until the police come out in public and declare the truth then so called lies will breed and spread.
In a country where there is meant to be universal laws there are discrepencies.

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/new...uld_be_racist/

If people are offended by a flag or shirt I suggest they be helped pack their bags.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

But that would mean they would spend most of their time denying baseless unfounded stories.

And then you would get the "no smoke without fire" people, stating that there must be some basis for the story, otherwise why would it be denied.

Lose-lose situation.

Re: Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?
 

Do you also believe that the Red Arrows were snubbed for the 2012 olympics a few years back?

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:clap:

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The trouble is, when these stories are proven to be not true, the author of these groups then start spouting, "It was we what won it." Providing themselves with even more attention.

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Coined by "Gentleman" Jim Callaghan himself. ;)

Re: Police to Not Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup
 

He must have heard it at one of Reverend Charles Spurgeon's sermons, then, on April 1st, 1855 .....:D

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No.

To save me from reading five pages of mouthbreathing windowlickers claiming this is the end of civilisation, have we got to the stage of establishing that this is all made up as usual?

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A few pages back.