Blair Peach murderer esapes justice
 

Despite the police knowing who killed him, they ignore the evidence and let him away with it. I wonder why. Yet again, another death caused by the Met goes unpunished.

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Yep the report names exactly who struck the fatal blow. :rolleyes:

Unless of course you think the Police should get treated differently and charged where less evidence exists than other members of the public.

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:clap:

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It names the officer most likely to have struck the fatal blow but given it could only have been one of six officers and they were responsible for 3 fractured skulls and a death in the space of seconds...

Yes because the public often suppress reports into peoples deaths for over 30 years and lies at inquests about witness reports and recolitions of the incident, still what more do his family want, they got an apology they should be grateful because it's as close to justice as they'll get.

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This report is over 30 years old.It's from a time when there were lot's of dubious practices going on in our public systems.I doubt if justice will be found after all this time.

What we need is to make sure that the present much more transparent systems/services continue to be transparent.

I do object to the word murderer though because I doubt that the death of Mr Peach was deliberate or premeditated under the circumstances.

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Sorry Maggie, but doubting Justice would be done after 30 years isnt a good reason not to bring charges against the 6 officers involved. There has been a cover up. plain and simple. I guess now we know if you can hide and obstruct for long enough you get away with a crime when it comes to light.

Of course if charges had been brought 30 years ago it would probably have been "justifiable homicide" a la Liddle Towers.

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I never said that I just doubt that justice will be done..and sometimes it is seen to be done.There have been cases from the 70s and 80s where corrupt policemen have been brought to justice in the 90s and in the last decade.

It doesn't hurt to keep pressuring though.

Like I said we must make sure today's systems don't let us down in the same manner and that what we have gained isn't lost to the various terrorism laws since added to the statutes.

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Of course he does.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ap...ice-met-report

answer me this. What happens if 6 members of the public are present when someone loses their life and one of them is directly to blame? you want to be treated the same as the GP well all 6 would be in front of the judge and most likely after this report doing time...

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Isn't there now a charge "joint enterprise?"

The police know exactly who the murder is. They are just supporting the cover up. If these officers have refused to admit they know who the killer is, why did they keep their jobs? It wouldn't be that the Met would not admit they were not interested in investigating it, would it? Back in the seventies if the Met couldn't work out, out of six people, who was the perpetrator, they would just pin it on the easiest target. Why didn't they do that then?

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exactly

A friend of mine is a prison warder . She knows an inmate who is serving 15 years for being involved in a robbery where the other perp killed the victim with a shotgun. The other guy was involved in the robbery but had no idea( he says) the other guy had the gun till he got it out of the car and shot the victim

So to treat these 6 officers the same would mean they fall under this catagory ..

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There is a major difference, imho, between 'reasonably be concluded' and 'beyond reasonable doubt', but they seem to being used synonymously.

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oh thats ok then at least no one died .... oh wait a minute....

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from my former link

pretty damning dont you think? afteral they have witnesses

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I wonder what would have happened if we didn't have camera phones at the G20 last year, would we still be lamenting the ineffectual nature of internal police investigations in twenty-forty? Would we have been as outraged at the death of Ian Tomlinson. Would we have even be told that he met his death at the hands of the riot police, or would we just be sad that a man died of a heart attack?

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it would have probably come out in the wash a number of years later and then no charges for anyone involved

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Hmmm, I wasn't aware the report into his death had been concluded/made public. Obviously you aren't pre-judging what happened and will ignore whatever might come out in the future. :erm:

Anyway seeing I only put a quick couple of lines on this morning before heading off to work I suppose I should expand it a bit.

First up Policing was completely different 30 years ago than it is today both in terms of equipment, tactics and the relationship between the police and public. A lot has changed, some changes are better and some worse than before.

Second as I'm sure most of you know and has been pointed out for a criminal charge to be proven it needs to be beyond all reasonable doubt. A charge of 'yeah we reckon he did it, or one of them did' won't work.

Anyway seeing some people are convinced the police of 30 years ago are corrupt, fabricated evidence and stitched folk up what makes you think this report is the 100% gospel truth. :D

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well the fact it says it was most likely a police officer that dealt the deadly blow for a start although it could be coving something up much worse I spose

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What is twenty-forty?

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Thirty one years since Tomlinson.

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Sorry - the point I was trying to make was that in our Justice System, for someone to be guilty of a crime, it has to be "beyond reasonable doubt"; that is not the standard of proof that is being offered, and surely everyone is entitled to the same treatment, be they in uniform or not.

However, I think the case should be re-opened and re-investigated.

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Yep that's why they were disbanded because they were whiter than white.

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Is it possible, that is what they are waiting for, with the death of Ian Tomlinson. Things do seem to be dragging on a bit. It has been, what, just over a year and still nothing

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Yes some things are different, but a lot of things have stayed the same. People are still being beaten and are dying at the hands of the police, at protests.

Hmm, one of things that hasn't changed much on thirty years. This sort of thing never stopped the police back in the seventies, did it.

Do you really want a list of cases that were concluded on such a basis?

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Thirty years from now.

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I have a plug-in, USB numeric keypad you can borrow if your own number keys are broken. ;)

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Yep you can't move at protests these days for the bodies left 10 and 20 deep by the cops. :rolleyes:

Quick question for you. How many people have died at the hands of the Police during protests in the last 20 years. And I am looking for actual 100% the police were responsible and not just a 'Yeah they might have done it'.

How would you deal with protests like G20, G8, May Day, Poll Tax etc. where there are hard core activists intent on causing havoc? Let them away with it and mop up afterwards or actually deal with things there and then and accept that very occasionally bad things might happen.

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I have been asked why I think that Blair Peach was murdered. I shall tell, those who asked, why. It has been thirty-one years, almost to the day, since the death of Blair Peach, in the interceding years the police officer who killed him, has had ample time to admit his role in the death of this innocent man. The other five police officers have conspired with the killer to cover it up and still do today. If the killer had come forward in the days, weeks even months following his death, I could have accepted a charge of manslaughter to be appropriate, but to hide, like the coward he obviously is, makes him a murderer.

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I have no idea, I would have thought that unless it had been recorded on camera, it would have been impossible to tell. What police officer is going to admit he killed someone, if he didn't get caught?

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The law does not agree with you - it is the forethought, not the lack of actions afterwards that make it murder.

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No need, if you like though, I can find you a link to an online dictionary. ;) :p: :LOL:

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lnik?;)

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:LOL: Maybe I should have looked for one first. :D

Duly corrected now though ;)

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Probably just as well you aren't a prosecution lawyer, someone who is late returning a library book would end up in front of a firing squad. :erm:

Anyway this was being discussed at work today and someone who has been involved with some pretty heated incidents came up with (IMO) a very relevant point.

In the heat of the moment, where things are all going very, very wrong all around you it might be entirely possible the person responsible might not have even known they struck the fatal blow. From seeing the video footage and reading the accounts Peach didn't drop straight away and may well have stumbled away after being hit with the person responsible for the injury not knowing the extent of his injuries.

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To compare the brutal death of an innocent man with the same seriousness as a late library book is crass in the extreme. I suspect that is how the police officer who beat the crap out of him thirty-one years ago thinks as well.

It comes to something, when a police officer uses the excuse that he beat so many people round the head that day, it is hard to remember which ones and how many.

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Way to wilfully misunderstand a post Flyboy. Derek's criticism was of your totalitarian instincts, not the nature of the offence committed against Blair Peach.

But I'm quite sure you knew that.

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Or maybe, just maybe in the heat of the moment when fireworks, bottles and anything else is flying about one of the cops wung his baton/radio/lead filled cosh/crowbar and caught Peach on the head causing him to stumble away.

Watch pretty much any footage of riots and you'll see at times the Police having to get the batons out and start hitting people, they don't have time to ask for names and addresses afterwards.

Oh and you still haven't answered this part of my earlier question.

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Or just maybe Peach slipped and fell. Ahh lead filled cosh

They include all the detailed evidence gathered by police in the weeks and months after Peach was killed. The nature of his injuries led at least one pathologist to conclude Peach's skull was crushed with an unauthorised weapon, such as a lead-weighted cosh or police radio

and not long after

Cass raided lockers at the SPG headquarters he uncovered a stash of unauthorised weapons, including illegal truncheons, knives, two crowbars, a whip, a 3ft wooden stave and a lead-weighted leather stick.
One officer was caught trying to hide a metal cosh, although it was not the weapon that killed Peach. Another officer was found with a collection of Nazi regalia.

But these particular officers had time to say

"I have never seen such unrestrained violence against demonstrators... the Special Patrol Group were just running wild."

How anyone could try and stick up for these criminals just because they happen to have a uniform on is beyond me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ap...ice-met-report

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/46954,...ical-protestor

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yeah the good old heat of the moment. That excuse would fly a long way if it was someone like me trying to use it wouldn't it?

These babylon were vicious thugs and they have got away with it simple as, the way you are defending them Derek shows me the old boys brigade is still alive and well and makes me distrust the Police even more

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The "heat of the moment" defence is no excuse at all, especially when so many members of the SPG were nothing more than hired thugs, using the job for an excuse to have a ruck. Not only did the officer who dealt the fatal blow not come forward, five others conspired to hide the truth. I wonder if those illegal weapons, which were recovered from police officers' lockers, could be tested for DNA evidence, but seeing as the investigation is closed, it is unlikely there will be a concerted effort to find out; if the evidence still exists.

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Then perhaps indiscriminate beatings of the general public should be curtailed until those who carry out this summary justice properly trained in how to beat someone to death after they establish their identity, because surely they need to put something on the toe-tag.

Sorry, I assumed such a question was rhetorical, because as you know I have know idea abut how to command a battalion of riot police. But then neither do you, or I assume you would be doing that job yourself. But suffice to say, I would not expect them to be carrying illegal weapons nor to hide their own badge numbers so they cannot be identified after they beat someone on the head with a lead filled cosh.

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Yep the old boys brigade cause I know so many Met cops from 30 years ago. :rolleyes:

The SPG were a law unto themselves, they did carry unauthorised weapons, they were violent and probably dished out more than their fair share of beatings BUT I do not for a second think they went out that day with the express intention of killing someone.

I also think its entirely plausible that whoever dealt the blow that caused his injuries does not know for sure that they were responsible.

Yeah that'll work, when people are being attacked just stand back and smile sweetly till they calm down. Back at the G20 riots there was a time when a cop was badly injured by protestors hitting him with a long pole, in response the batons came out. Do you think thats an overreaction?

Thats clear.