Nine-bin recycling system introduced
 

9 bins for every house left out on the street.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/gre...ntroduced.html

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No. That sounds like a right pita.

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Common sense seems to have gone out of the window with these draconian recyling requirements. I'm all for saving the planet, but equally the procedures put in place have to be reasonable and manageable for all involved in the chain.

My mother's local authority recently changed to a system that appears common with many authorities, gray wheely bin for stuff that isn't recyleable, food waste bucket, separate tin, glass plastic and paper / card. My mother is nearly 80, and remains quite active. But the stress she is now under for fear of getting it wrong, and wondering which bin should be used for every little item she has is intolerable.

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That is a step to far as most households would simply not have the room to comply.

We have a wheelie bin for rubbish, a wheelie bin for recyclable rubbish, a wheelie bin for grass cuttings and garden waste plus a bucket for food waste, we use all 4 of these as required.

I could well imagine on a windy day the bags blowing down the road.

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I don't think I could cope with any more bins but having some extra bags along with our existing bins is doable if it helps with recycling and keeps so much of our waste going into land fill sites.

We have 4 wheelie bins. 3 full size ones, black for tins,glass and some plastics, green for all garden waste and a blue bin for paper, cardboard and tetra packs. We then have a half sized grey bin for any other waste that our council doesn't yet recycle. We have to have a chart to see when each bin is emptied in the 4 weekly cycle. :D

I know it sounds bad but now it's all got going it seems to be working well. Some areas can't cope with the physical presents of so many bins per house but different locations for storage of the bins and/or different sizes of bins for groups of houses can be arranged.

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It's bad enough where there's only 2 bins to deal with. you see the bins scattered outside peoples houses and you mentally think that it's ok because it's 'green'
having to see up to 9 bins and bags outside every home in every street will just look a right mess.

I don't recycle at all. and there's no way I'd want to store 9 bins on my property either in our outside of it.

if they weren't recycling bins that were obstructing and littering the footpaths, you'd have the council telling you to move it. but as it's the council doing it then it's not an obstruction or litter.

This is how recycling works.

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So how come my local council have set up a system of grey bins for everyday rubbish,green bins for everything else(unsorted)except glass.Green bags for composting stuff which is sold back to us as compost.If they can employ people to sort it through at the recycling center(mostly East Europeans) why can't the rest?In fact I'm mighty impressed by those that run the nearest recycling center as they work hard and do the job really well.

The glass is sorted by us and taken to the bottle banks that are available in the large seafront car park where it costs nothing to park and unload recycled stuff like glass and old clothing.

There is no need for 9 bins it's just that some local councils have taken the easy route and not bothered to find or sort out a local company to do the work.Ours tendered it out to a local company.

I certainly don't recognised the following

The only way they will get 50% is to make ALL retailers use packaging that is ALL recyclable by local authorities.at the moment not all plastics are recyclable and I have to place them in ordinary rubbish which makes me fume.Time they went after the supermarkets in my opinion rather than target householders all the time.

If they try to institute this round my way then they will have to charge me less tax as I'm not doing all their work for them.For one thing I have no room for 9 bins.and the three I already have take up too much room.
Also 9 bins will be an eyesore where people keep all their bins in their front yards/gardens.:rolleyes:

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NO - I don't like the idea at all. I know it's me being selfish again but I have enough trouble negotiating things on bin day as it is. Then there is the little teeny (food here) bins, brown here - at least make them a bright colour.

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I can see people just looking at this, thinking "sod it" then throwing enough of the correct item into each bin/bag to make it look like they are following the rules and chucking the rest in the gray wheelie bin.

Make things too hard and, at best, people don't do them properly, and at worst, people try not to do them.


Apart from the fact that they won't usually collect garden waste (not without charging), and actively discourage wheelie bins (they will empty them, but will not supply them and do ask people not to use them), I think my council pretty much have it right.

We have one standard size bin for general waste, one green box for tins/glass/plastics (although they won't accept "soft" plastics like yoghurt pots) and one for paper/cardboard.

As for the other stuff, well, we do have quite a few bottle and clothes banks dotted around the area..

Oh, and they also ask that residents don't put rubbish out any earlier than 12 hours before it is due to be collected. I think this is partly because we have a problem with foxes, and partly for the smell. Sadly, people tend to ignore that request.

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Our council has started food waste recycling (including bones, meat, etc UNCOOKED too!). This waste goes into a biodegradeable, flimsy bag which must then be added to the green garden waste green wheelie. Apparently it will be composted at a higher temperature than the garden waste.... but it all gets poured into the same truck and dumped together the the depot... the white bags mostly ripped open!

Considering they won't accept kitchen waste like teabags "in case they are contaminated with dairy products" how come they accept garden waste that could well with contaminated with dairy animals!!! ?

I think we should all start selling our waste to the council.....

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I don't think you're being selfish at all. It's not too much to ask that streets are tidy enough for people with disabilities to get around them.

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That's certainly not selfish. Thomas is legally blind so any obstructions like this would make things difficult for him. Also, it could make things difficult for wheelchair users as well, because the chairs are not that maneuverable, and some pavements are narrow enough that it is difficult to get a wheelchair up.

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Why doesn't that surprise me? Maybe we should bury you in landfill :)

We have fairly painless recycle, one container for paper, one for nearly everything else and a bucket for organic waste.

Not a huge hardship to progressively fill those throughout the week.

9 is ridiculous overkill and makes people indifferent. Recycling should be a fairly painless thing to be done as a matter of routine, not a Krypton Factor test.

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Actually, the scheme outlined above does not have nine bins. It has four bins and five bags. I agree it's overkill though. It would be better imo to have the separation done by staff at the recycling center. It will mean an increase in council tax, but there you go.

Oh, and I'm not using a slop bucket. I had one a couple of years back, and they're a nightmare. The bin stinks to high heavens in summer.

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I'd be able to comply and would but I'd see it being unworkable for most people.

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What LR said.

We have 3 wheely bins (normal, recyclable, garden waste), and we also keep bottles in a different container and take them to the bottle banks, and compost any waste food - but 9 sounds a lot.

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Where are you supposed to keep the bins/bags inside as you fill them?
My kitchen isn't tiny but we've only got room for 2 bins.

MK has a higher than average recyling rate, weekly collections of unrecylables, recycleables, glass, food, vegetation.
We only have a wheelie bin for the vegetation. Strange how the council didn't see fit to ask the locals, whereas their excuse for not providing wheelie bins for other rubbish in the past was that they asked locals and were told no one wanted them.
We're provided with a little box for waste food, and if we actually produced more than a banana skin of waste food a week, we'd use it.
We're also given a blue crate for glass.
Bags for paper/cans recycling are free, although they've just changed to a thinner sort, but they are still strong enough for the job.
We can even get a reward if our rubbish pile is reported as being particularly tidy or artistic.

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In my little town we have two wheelie bins a black one for unrecyclable stuff a green wheelie for garden and non white cardboard and then we have three bins currently a green one for tins, glass and suchlike a blue one for white cardboard and paper and the brown turd looking food waste bin but nothing for plastic recycling. I am all for doing my bit but for gods sake please think of those of us who struggle as it is without the need to carry all this carp out onto the street.

Enviromentalists are becoming a complete pita and are alienating more and more people with the things like this right now. People want to do the right thing but if you have to spend hours every week figuring it out and then taking the bins\bags onto the street many will simply stop. As a country we must be doing so much better then we were even a few short years ago but you never hear about that only that we need to do more and make greater efforts. As a kid i was constantly told you bring more people along with praise then constant criticism but when it comes to the enviroment it seems that more guilt and emotional blackmail is best and i am getting heartily fed up of it.

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Our council has a great system.

You have two green bins for food waste (collected weekly) 1 small for kitchen (must only use compostable bags in these), and a larger one outside.

We have a black bin for no recyleable rubbish, and a blue bin for recycleable stuff. These are collect bi weekly on alternate weeks.

The black bin is a 3rd smaler than the blue bin.

The only annoying thing is that the black bin must have the lid fully shut, if it is part open they will not take it:rolleyes:, and no black bin bags arround it will be taken.

The blue bin can have oversize boxes around it, and you can use the older style box and bag for over spill.

If you don't adhere to the rules the bin will not be taken, and you will have a warning sticker on it, a second offence, you will have to get rid of the rubbish yourself.:mad:

The council said that these bin should be kept in your garden where possible. but as most house would have to drag them through living rooms, they can be kept out the front, and they just fit.

But 9 is taking the mick. Soon you'll need a degree to be able to sort you rubbish out/

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I'm guessing that there is no significant profit from most of these recycled materials. If that's the case the councils will be wanting to save money by having us do the work rather than take it to a recycling centre to be sorted.

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We have 4 seperate bins here (5 if you include our compost bin at the end of the garden)

1. Orange for recycling
2. Black for landfill waste
3. Green for Garden recyling
4. small black tub for glass collections

The Orange and green are emptied every fortnight with the Black bins the other week. Must admit though that between the now increased items that our council can recycle and the compost bin we have very little landfill waste. All we need now is a larger recycling bin as a standard wheelie bin isn't large enough for two weeks :(

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I live in an area containing 84 flats, three of us put out green bags. Says it all really.
The council will start issuing pink bags for plastics from next month, I wonder what the take up will be. I can't imagine having to sort the rubbish out into nine different bags, I just don't have the room in my tiny kitchen, three bags is bad enough.

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This just shows how much the majority of us are living beyond our means. Remember when all we had to dispose of our rubbish was one small tin bin and a coal fire?

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No it doesn't.

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Aye, I remember it well, the Milk Man took away the empties and the Rag and Bone man's horse left freebies. :)

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:)

The Rag and Bone man gave the kids a balloon or a bow and arrow in exchange for a few rags.

And the bin men would carry the heavy bins on their backs.

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I'm sure I read somewhere that waste disposal actually became profitable for councils, after compulsory recycling had been introduced.
More likely, this is an attempt to further capitalise on the situation, getting us to do more work for them (whilst paying them ever increasing council tax), so they can have thicker pile carpets and gold taps at chez council offices, and no doubt trim off some staff too.
These 'systems' certainly aren't developed for our convenience.

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Well if the worst comes to the worst I'll start removing the packaging at the supermarket and they can pigging well deal with it..most of it is down to them unnecessarily over packaging their goods anyway..

Of course everytime they are taken to task about it they say it's us the customer that wants all this rubbish encasing what we buy.

One example of how they stymie us is the hand pumps for cleaning products where you used to be able to buy a refill and re-use the pumps in the new refill bottles.Now I can't even get the bloody refills so I end up recycling the bottles but have to throw away the sodding pumps.:mad: Why should I be penalised for that?

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Can we charge the council for storing their plastic bins on our property? £1.00 PW per bin should do it me thinks.

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we already have 3 wheelie bins ,1 for general waste ,1 for recycling ,1 for garden waste ,we also have copious bottle/clothes banks ,at least 4 (that i know of)household recycling centers run by the the local authority and 5 (that i know of)major recycling centers run by private companies that are making fortunes out of recycling .I have just paid the local authority £90 for a waste transfer licence to transport old wood windows and glass from the site i work on to the company skips (there are 5 of those) emptied at a cost of £385 per skip on a 2 day cycle (depending on how much work we do) .all of this is taken to one of the private companies ,sorted and sold on (clear glass is worth about £30 per ton i think)

so if any dipstick from the the Newcastle L.A turns up at my house with another bin and asks me to further sort my rubbish so they can make even more money out of me then i will recycle a few council officials

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Indeed they are not. And there is a school of thought that disputes if they are even necessary.

http://raedwald.blogspot.com/2008/06...ill-in-uk.html

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In Cambridge, our no. of recycling bins has actually *decreased* recently, making it simpler.

We used to have:

Green Bin - cardboard & food waste etc.

Blue Box - plastic bottles

Black Box - paper, tins, glass, etc.

Black Bin - everything else, which isn't recycled



The new system uses a Blue Bin (combination of Black Box & Blue Box), Green Bin, & Black Bin.

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We have a two week system here ;

Week 1

(Tuesday) - Black top wheelie bin (general waste)
(Every other Tuesday) - green bag[s] (glass bottles)


Week 2

(Tuesday) - Green top wheelie bin (plastic & paper)
(Wednesday) - Brown top wheelie bin (garden waste)


Becuase we are a household of 5, we actually get a second half size wheelie bin (yellow top) for the general waste, which goes out with the main one. We also actually have two bottle bags.

So 3.5 wheelie bins, and two glass bags.

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We just have 2 bins, both large. Grey for general waste, Green for recycles (plus a reusable back for compostables.

We can't put glass in recycling but there are lots of bins for glass in supermarket car parks. And no soil or bulk waste like that in garden bag.

Bins are collected on a 2 weekly cycle, green one week, grey the next. Garden stuff picked up with the green. Seems to work pretty well.

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Funny how the systems vary so much.

Round here we have a green large wheelie bin for garden waste. Black bin for for general rubbish. Both get collected forthnightly. On 'green bin days' the recyclables also get collected. We get a box for cans, tins, glass and plastic. The box is way too small for two weeks worth of drink, so we got another box which gets emptied as well. We don't separate glass tins and plastic. I guess the recycling center does this.

Paper goes in a blue bag, and cardboard is just put on the curb and is collected separately.

There's no separate collection of food waste (thank god), this goes into general rubbish.

Altogether, we have two large bins, one small one (plus the backup), and a bag for paper.

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Brighton is hopeless for recycling, all we get at my house is a black box for old newspapers.
I'd welcome a bin for garden refuse instead of having bonfires, and/or one for glass and plastics.
I certainly wouldn't want one for food waste though.

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Those were the days, we had a family of 4 & I don't think we ever filled the old galvanised bin to the top & it wasn't a large bin. It's all the damn packaging everything comes with now that fills it up.

Quite easy to sort ours, We have a green box for glass/Plastic bottles & cans. A Blue box for paper/Cardboard/Textiles. A wheely bin for the landfill. & large sacks for green waste (no extra charge for collecting that). Recycling & green waste collected every 2 weeks, general waste is weekly. I suppose when oil becomes too expensive plastic goods will decline as well?

The emphasis is all wrong, industry shouldn't be producing all this carp in the first place but supermarkets say it's what their customers want. Still our children might enjoy clearing up all the toxic ***** we leave behind for them.

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That's total bull. The packaging is to make things easier to handle and scan for the supermarkets and to add the visual incentives to choose a particular product. It's all marketing and convenience for them, designed only to improve their bottom line profitability.

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We don't have any wheelie bins here. I have to drag the bin bags down the road which is only about 5 houses away but does my head in.

They gave us a little green box years ago but i've never seen anyone use them, think we're supposed to put paper and glass in them.

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Hmmm. I may have to change my bias about Darlington. It sounds almost civilised..

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We are due to get the food waste collection system soon. With everyone getting garden waste collection for free (up to now you could stick bags out for free or pay £30 pa for a green bin to be collected fortnightly but not in the winter).

Problem is, the most polluting waste is food waste which as it decomposes in landfill creates methane. However the residual waste & recyclables are what fills the holes in the ground the quickest. Just wish we had all wheely bins rather than the stupid recycling boxes with the useless lids.

Anyone who has to sort their waste should check what the bin men actually do when they collect recycling. Ours only separate the glass, the rest gets jumbled together.

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But methane is an energy source..

Bung it in landfill, collect the gas and burn it to produce electricity..

Voila, instant result.. All green and friendly..

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If you go to a landfill they just flare off the Methane, what a waste.
Actually things decompose much quicker in the presence of Oxygen & UV light but then you'd need to spread it around in the open, a bit like we do in the streets of the UK.

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Interesting read.Thanks.:)

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We have four bins and will soon be five; big green bin for general waste, HUGE brown bin for garden and food waste plus cardboard (this gets turned into soil improver) a box for papers, a box for glass and a box for cans and plastic bottles. We're getting a plastic waste bin as well soon for all plastic except for raw meat containers.

The general waste is emptied each week while the huge brown bin and the boxes are emptied on alternate weeks.

To be honest, it's not really much of a faff sorting out the rubbish and the reduction of rubbish in the general waste bin shows how much could have been recycled in the past

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So how do people living in flats manage to store all those bins?

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They tend to have communal ones.

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Yep, really big bins!! They're in a nice racking system with clear signs above each bin about what each one takes

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It's just the logistics that annoys.

I currently have in the living room,kitchen and bathroom two bins per room,one for recycling,one for rubbish.how the hell am I to sort it out further before I have to place it in the correct bin?

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Get everyone in the street to call gosport council and apply for a free skip (assuming they still provide them), throw all your rubbish in there.
When full, get the council to take it away.
Repeat the next month :D

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I sadly know too few of my neighbours.I've definitely lived in this street too long but in days past this is what we did..and we would help the older folk carry out the heavier stuff to the skip.