Stephen Hawking warns "we should avoid aliens"
 

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I think Prof. Hawking has been watching 'V' :p

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Methinks his quotes have been misinterpreted - he said which, in previous discussions, was referring to the culture shock that happens when a more technically advanced people meet a more primitive one.

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Everyone seems to assume that any aliens would be carbon-based lifeforms dependent wholly on organic chemistry (i.e. Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen) like we are.

If an intelligent lifeform evolved completely separately from us in an entire galaxy, then why couldn't they be dependent on sulfur instead? Maybe in our biology where we need water, they'd need a liquid form of chlorine. Maybe our planet would be considered inhospitable and need to colonise Jupiter instead?

And if these lifeforms that are intelligent enough to build transport able to carry them safely whilst sustaining them across many lightyears, would the be reliant fossil fuels? Would need our human/animal carasses for food?

Given we are the only observable lifeforms (certainly within our nearest planets) our evolution is a basically a fluke. Given the size and diversity of the universe other flukes would occur, that's for certain. But would other evolutionary flukes exactly replicate our biology? Of course not - unless we shared a common ancestor that was spread in different directions at the start of the universe. And given that the observable universe appears to lack multicellular organisms, its extremely unlikely.

Professor Hawking is a genuis of course, but I find it odd he doesn't consider this. Noone seems to apart from the writers of Mars Attacks! NASA are obsessed with finding water and consider that to be the root of extra-terrestial lifeforms.

Seems a bit short-sighted to me.

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Well he does say: "He explained: "We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn't want to meet."

But the prevailing consensus is that any lifeforms capable of such immense inter-steller travel would be highly evolved and therefore less hostile than us? Surely other aliens should avoid us instead?

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I was thinking same way as punky.

I would warn aliens to avoid us..we are the scary ones (or is that sick ones)

Sign on moon will say..beware of the humans :)

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Does that include illegal aliens.

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Good post punky. it's refreshing to see an educated post in the forum :)

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We as carbon is the most common material, on would assume that other life forms would be carbon based.

Silicon based is another possibility.

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This, imho, explains the some of the options - fermiparadox

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Beware the extra terrestrial who arrives without the cab fare home...;)

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Every morning there's trail on my kitchen mat :erm: its either slugs or ectoplasm :mad: whatever they are they doesn't like washing up.

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We have evolved to suit our environment. Our atmosphere is air which is a mostly Nitrogen (~78%) and Oxygen (~20%). Nitrogen is pretty much inert and its hard to bond with and to isolate from compounds. So few organisms can use it baring some special types of bacteria that act on nitrates. Off the top of my head I can't remember anything (from A-Level Biology and Chemistry) that acts on N2 gas. So we use the next most prevalent gas which is a lot more reactive: Oxygen. Although its only 20% but its more than enough for us as we expel the vast majority of Oxygen we breath in (IIRC we use about less 10% we breath in). We breath out Carbon Dioxide which is handy as plants can use this to convert back to Oxygen. Hence we have a sustainable source of ambient Oxygen.

I have seen or heard of nothing that says organisms on a planet with a different atmosphere to ours can't adapt to whatever is available. Alien life forms don't have to be reliant on Oxygen and water. I'd be suprised if they did.

Given the near infinite amount of genetic mutations over billions of years, the chances of any complex life forms being even remote similar to us is infantessimal IMO. Professor Hawking acknowleges this by saying they might be yellow or lizard-like but why can't their internal chemistry be different as well as their appearance?

So given that they'll probably find out planet inhospitable, hostile and the fact they'd be hyper-intelligent and hyper-evolved and therefore more peace loving (look out peaceful we've become over a mere 2000 years), I don't think we'll be invaded and enslaved by aliens.

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As Captain Kirk discovered when he faced the Horta...

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Evolution = peaceful?

They could be the dominant race after a bloody war, looking for planets to conquer or harvest for materials.

It would be interesting to postulate which other elements may be the basis for life, extrapolating from carbon, naturally our first thoughts turn to elements in the same group - silicon, germanium etc.

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Don't forget Mr Spock survived the Dikironium Cloud, "Vampire Cloud" because he's blood is based on Copper unlike the human Iron.:)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/16.jpg

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I've always found Erich von Daniken's books interesting in trying to find our religious link with that of our alien past. Much of it's bunkum but some of it is quite thought provoking.

I first read "Chariots of the Gods" when I was 13 in 1972. When I moved house 5 years ago I refound the original paperbook I bought in a shop (called OBM, I think) in Hobart, Tasmania. His theories haven't moved on much since then, but neither has relgion.

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Oh Mr Hawking.
You media whore!

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I was thinking X-Files (Fire - IIRC):D

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Close - Firewalker (season 2).

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I still think that us humans were stowaways on a visiting alien spaceship, a sort of ship's rat!

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I wonder how that theory would match up with the fact that some monkeys have 93.5% matching DNA?

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There were Monkeys on board as well. :)

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Obviously just a coincidence :) Even I knew that :dunce:

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Looks like I was right after all. And we only needed to go as far as California to find it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11886943

Long-standing? Yeah, by me. No other sod believed it.

So when do I get my Nobel prize?

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Punky, what you mentioned about other lifeforms not needing oxygen seems to already exist so totally supports your theory.

Under the sea many miles down they have found deep volcanoes releasing sulpher and gasses and they found life down there where there is not even any light.

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Anaerobic lifeforms - they were here long before us....

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That wasn't what I meant. Plants don't need oxygen to live. However this isn't a radical change in biochemistry that aliens would need to survive on other planets.

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Punky, I was responding to Halycon...

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Oops, sorry.

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No worries :)

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Might be our last chance to avoid them, seems like boffins have discovered coherent radio waves a mere 15 light years away :shocked:

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Probably not….

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-023-01914-0

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Well life is out there, "The Drake Equation" proves it, around 100,000,000 planets that could support life (that just the Milky Way)

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But the Fermi Paradox says if that's true, why haven't we seen any?

From Wiki

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How can we be sure we havent.

It says "the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial civilizations" - it could have been, its 4 billion years old, nothing to say they would have visited in the last 200 or so years in which we might have been aware they were aliens.

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Also, if there are so many Earth-like planets, why would they choose to come to this one?

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The problem with the Fermi Paradox is it doesn't define life. Could there be a world where dinosaurs didn't get wiped out and remaind the dominant species? Is an amoeba life? Can silicon life exist?

There's been plenty of speculation they did during the time of the pyramids/Mminoan's

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Indeed, we may have thought them Gods in older times... :shocked:

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tbf, the Fermi Paradox relates to technological space-faring species (and why haven’t we seen any), and is non-specific on the type of life.

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So it has nothing to do with the presence of life on another planet.

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Well, the technological space-faring race has to come from somewhere…

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The Fermi Paradox doesn’t necessarily hypothesise that there isn’t any life out there, it just raises the questions that follow from the apparent absence. Sure, there could be primitive life out there, and there probably has been out there long before us, but what prevented it taking that next step beyond it’s own planet/solar system.

A civilisation like us with even a million year head start, let alone the potential billions of years, “should” leave signs such as a dyson sphere, detectable signs from it’s own environment or span across vast parts of the galaxy. Of course, it could have discovered capitalism, and that the return on investment in a single lifetime, or multiple generations, didn’t warrant the effort.

It is also supplemented by the absence of the von Neumann probe.

It’s all quite fascinating, but irrelevant of course if we are actually in a simulation. ;)

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Even if we are in a simulation someone has to be controlling it. And whoever they may or may not be perhaps they're also in a simulation :shocked: