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He goes on a bit. sounds almost fanatical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1prA3W1tk2I

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hmmm he started off ok but then went a little to far with the comment about the "at this rate the whole Parliament will be Muslim"

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I think at the end he really meant that in 30 years the prime minister will be a Muslim. that would be interesting :)

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What a pile of doctored rubbish. Where do they get the idea from that a Muslim PM would mean public stonings, beheading, amputations etc?

If that's what they fear then how would they feel about a non-Muslim PM would introduced all the above for paedophiles? Or is that just different?

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I think you'll find that was an attempt at audience directed humour which he didn't seem too comfortable about saying.

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I hope so lol

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I think that thinking is when some of them fear they want sharia law. so you might think that a muslim PM will make that fear a reality.

That's emotional blackmail.

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Another thing, surely helping to improve things in the old Empire will keep those "rotten foreigners" in their own country. Isn't that what xenophobic bigots want?

Gary, what do you think? Would a muslim PM make Sharia law in the UK a reality?
I know you're very good at posting about muslims in a bad light, without actually giving your own opinion on the topics you raise.

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OOooh look, it's Gary's Muslim Thread of the Week™. :rolleyes:

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OK I apologise. I'll try to keep reality and common sense out of this.

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Sorry, but was that video serious or satirical? I couldn't help but laugh at the ridiculous music and powerpoint style presentation of clichéd, dimwitted right-wing propaganda.

I'll assume it's the latter and post another pretty good one i saw recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

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I don't know if a Muslim PM would make it a reality. depends if he's normal and not a nutter really.

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Thanks, Russ :)

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What about the cabinet, the government, the rest of the house of commons, the Lords and the Queen?
Do they not get a say, or is the PMs word final?

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yeah this country isnt in any debt or trouble financially is it? helping out other countries when ours is stable im fine with but when ours is in the crude the money should be spent here

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I don't know how it works mate. I'm not really into politics much.

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That was good. they were obviously both twin brothers. and it all rhymed and stuff :)

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Hmm, lets see, spend some money improving things in other areas of the globe, improving our image, paying to educate people so they aren't easy pray for extremists...
... or leave them with nothing to lose, open to exploitation from extremists either via brainwashing or simply by paying them which will cost us more.

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It always gets me when we have things like chidren in need and stuff where we have to raise money for them causes. and when you look at how much was raised and compare it to how much we (the government) give to other countries. it's a bit disgusting because it's only a fraction of it.

even without that, you hear them saying we can't afford this and that, and we will be closing this and that whilst they're handing out the money that they couldn't afford to keep the other things running and left open.

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Of-course not, That could only be made a reality if the people of this country sat back and let it happen.

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Well we now know the answer, just four days..

Really...I'd never have guessed, judging from past threads I assumed your political knowledge was immense.;)

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At least you're consistent in not letting facts or background knowledge influence your opinion on matters.:)

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Malik is not a good muslim anyway,surely a good muslim wouldn't be defraud the taxpayer as much as he has:

Malik's Latest Expense fraud row

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It's not for you or I to decide whether he's a 'good' or 'bad' Muslim. In any case he's a politician, what more do you expect?

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Well, lets hope in the final reckoning he gets all he deserves.

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I would presume it is more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIRbc...eature=related

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Not even clicked the link after a while you know what your going to get with certain posters threads :), do beans go with mash and fish ?

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He is talking a load of crap, He should be stating that he is glad that this country is looking after his fellow colleague, who draw benefit, that we pay for, the housing that they take, and the forcefulness of the school children beiong taught there faiths etc.

He should also be stating that we look after various faiths in this country and we are a soft touch, he should also be stating that any finance in this country should go to NHS, education etc. I think that one day there will be a Muslim PM as that is the way it is going, l hope l am dead by then, as this country will be full of people trying to kill themself.

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"l hope l am dead by then, as this country will be full of people trying to kill themself" :D You do make me laugh Aurther with what you come out with! :)

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Him and Peter Mandelscum are two reasons not to vote Liebour.

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Great stuff we certainly don't want BNP knuckledraggers in any of Britain's decent parties, best thing your "members" can do is stick together and play hunt the brain-cell.

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:D :clap:

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:confused:
You can have an opinion on whether someone's a good or a bad one. who can decide whether he's a good or a bad one?

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And then when that happens it'll be too late.

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Usually peas, but beans is ok I've tried it :)

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Another Muslim presumably, who has studied the Qu'ran in as great or greater detail.

As an atheist I wouldn't presume to judge if a Muslim was a good or bad Muslim.

Now as to whether he's/she's a good person is another matter entirely.

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When? Gary, you believe that it will happen?

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Never in a million years.

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Why not?

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There's a few reasons I can think of really why there will never be a muslim PM. one of which being nobody would vote him or her in.

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People don't vote for a PM (it's not like US of A President) - people vote for their party/MP, and the leader of the Party can change (viz. G Brown and J Major for example, non-elected PM's (but tbf, JM did get elected in 92)).

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If the amount of muslims continues to grow in this country, wouldnt you say theres a very good chance it will someday happen? Not wanting to be controversial here but, and this maybe just my opinion, some people of different nationalities tend to have a lot more kids than "us", surely one day the muslim population will be greater than our own?

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I do wonder why people on both sides beleive not just that it could possibly happen, but that it will definitely happen.

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They would have to get a majority in a majority of constituencies, and by the time they've done that, they'd most likely have gone native anyway.
They'd also have to convince the Lords and the Monarch.

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Why? How does that work? :confused: Thanks in advance for the education :)

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That's what I meant.

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The population could and would be greater than ours. that's what a lot of people are worried about. but I still don't think there will ever be a muslim PM.

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Really.

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I think the Queen may have some reservations about a Muslim PM making appointments within the Church of England. :)

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This is why I think politics should be taught in schools.
I would estimate that the majority of people know pretty much nothing about how our system works.
If people were taught about it, I would have thought they'd be more interested in taking part by voting, or contacting their MP about concerns etc.

A very simplistic and therefore not totally accurate description of what happens is a bill is presented to either of the houses (Commons, full of MPs, and Lords, full of er well, Lords) for debate and a vote on it. If it passess it goes to the other house for a debate and vote, if both houses agree then it goes to the monarch to be signed into law and changes from a bill to an act (as it's an act of parliment).

So in order for say Common law to be replaced by Sharia law, the government would need to decide how the Sharia bill would be worded, would it have to decide how to word it, would it just say all laws would be null and void? What about parking laws etc which aren't covered by the Koran?
So would they amend every act to reflect sharia? That would take decades and probably bankrupt the nation.
The bill they decide on would go to the commons, be debated, and then they'd have to win the vote, then the bill will go before the Lords.
The lords would have to vote on it and agree that it should be passed.
Then it goes before the monarch who has the final say.
Now traditionally the monarch always signs bills into law, however they do not have to, so they could disolve parliment and force a general election.

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It is taught in secondary schools in PHSE or PD or Citizenship lessons..It's the hardest lesson to teach because the students are mostly turned right off the subject.Even if you set up an election and arrange some of them to stand as candidates the majority just don't want to know.They talk through any presentations.
And if you think they are like that because I'm a cover teacher think again.They behave like this for the regular staff even for the senior staff.

Every single one of them will tell you they won't ever vote.Even the brightest kids.They find all the shouting and ranting in Parliament a turn off.

It's depressing.

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You can't blame them though when so many adults in the UK feel exactly the same way. :(

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Can't you cane the little sods into submission Maggy? then use that as an example of what could happen if people didn't bother voting and an extreme party got in on a minority vote...:D

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Teach them at a younger age and in a way which makes it interesting.
I first got taught about parliment when I was 8 and was interested.
But then, that wasn't a state school so the calibre of the teachers was somewhat higher.

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Actually Xaccers, a healty proportion of scuicide bombers are well educated young men from what we would consider "middle class" families. Thus disproving the idea that all scuicide bombers come from some sort of socio-economically,disadvantaged section of their community....

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Agreed about it should be taught in schools, I havent got a clue about it and Im only just starting to learn/be bothered, disagree about the state school thing though, theres many a successful person thats been through state schooling. Not wanting to go off topic but being a teacher at a private school doesn't automatically make you a "better" teacher IMO

Maggy is right though, when I was at school I probably wouldnt have listened though I was never given the opportunity to.

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Who told you that?

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Personal success doesn't depend on the ability of your teachers, as demonstrated by the number of successful people who had poor educations.

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EoB may be referring to the 9/11 bombers - not too sure if the same is true of your common-or-garden market/building suicide bombers?

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I stumbled upon 2 excellent studies some weeks ago, and am trying to find them again. In the meantime I'll chuck in some links to news articles in the meantime.

http://www.israelinsider.com/channel...s/sec_0049.htm

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/..._educatio.html

http://www.physorg.com/news188542231.html

Hmmm.... pdf of the full study from the third link....

http://www.physorg.com/news188542231.html

The pdf is one of the 2 studies I read a couple of weeks ago. Still haven't found the other, but I'll keep looking....

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The links deal with bombings from Palestine not bombers in general, although it does say those with an education/money are in a minority, and the PDF covers people's attitudes to bombings not the education/wealth of bombers.

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I know, as stated earlier this was one of two studies I read, and I still can't find the other. Prolly doesn't help that I found it by accident, while looking for info about a related issue.... Damn and blast my computer for needing a new mobo, and thus loosing all those links I had saved.... :dozey:

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Pesky computers! :D

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Thankfully a good mate upgraded his mobo, cpu, ram, etc so he lent me the old bits until I get new bits on my own.... I reckon two - three weeks and I'll have an Intel i7 cpu, spiffy new mobo, 6 gig of ddr3 ram, 1 gig gfx card and a Razor Naga (mouse) for WoW. :D

Back on topic.... Still haven't found that second study, but shall keep looking.... :dozey:

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Was it by this guy?

Studies have resulted in conflicting results. Robert Pape, director of the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism and expert on suicide bombers, found the majority of suicide bombers came from the educated middle classes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide...e_of_attackers

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It certainly may be the second study I was refering to, though my memory seems to be drawing a perverse blank. Nice find all the same Daddy. :)