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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ubstation.html

Well he won't be doing that again. :shocking:

Still I wouldn't be surprised if his family sue the company for not securing the substation sufficiently.

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I don`t suppose they were `Pikeys` by any chance.:erm:
Serves him bloody well right. If it isn`t yours, don`t take it.:mad:

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one of the comments at the bottom of the link made me smile ,wouldn't it be great if EDF sued the accomplice for loss of income

love to see that :D

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Ha ha you couldn't make it up could you? There was one round our way like that a few years ago, he thought it was old copper cable until he sawn through it. The whole town went black.

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I don't know, Dick Littlebrain has a damn good try each week.

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Anyone going to run a book on it. I bett £5.00 they sue

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Thats the first think I thought :D

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Surely they're too busy expertly fixing people's driveways and roofs to have any such criminal activities going on.

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Extra Crispy.

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The pikeys are always trying to nick Virgin cable and get a surprise when they find out that it is not copper.:D

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It's a pity he was a burglar. He'd have made a great conductor. :Sprint:

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Serves him right for trying to steal copper.

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His performance would have been electrifying.:shocking::shocking:

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I find it disturbing that so many find so much delight in the death of another human being. Yes, he it appears he was attempting to steal something, but there is no way he deserved to die for it, or do you all think, because you believe he was a traveller he deserved to die anyway?

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If he wasn't trying to steal he would have not died, he tryed to steal and got killed, his own fault and I for one don't care.

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I think that the people that lose their power supply caused by idiots like this will feel otherwise plus the is the possibilty that their vandalism and theft of cabling such as this could potentially cause the death of an innocent person.

I therfore have little pity for people such as this.

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Please read the story and let me know where it mentions him being a traveller?

He was trying to deprive an entity (in this case a corporate one) of it's property in the interests of self gain. And due to his own actions he is not a burden on the taxpayer, nor is he likely to reoffend, and may serve as a warning to others. He achieved this through an act of stupidity so monumental as to earn him a darwin award as long as he has not so far reproduced. Therefore, amusing.

Had it been an accident which could not have been avoided, or had his death not occurred in the pursuit of nefarious goals, then the response in the forum would have been different.

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Safe to assume he wasn't an immigrant or Muslim either, else they would have made that abundantly clear! ;)

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And it's all okay because the thief got killed. Yeah, let's all have good laugh at that. :rolleyes:

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That "entity" has robbed more people, of more value than he was attempting to do, I don't see anyone hoping for their deaths'. I am not the one who was assuming he was a traveller, it was other posters on here who were quite happy to make that assumption. Since when has the death of a thief ever been a just punishment?

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My aunt lost her BT phone for several weeks because someone nicked one of BT's trunk cables.

Thankfully, when something urgent did happen, she had her Mobile and their nearest mobile mast was unaffected by the theft.

I should be surprised that someone would be willing to risk their life for the few quid the copper would get (assuming they could sell it, I suspect it would stand out). After all, most substations (in my experience) don't exactly blend into the background, what with being large cabinets covered in bright yellow warning signs and tending to buzz loudly.

Sadly, I am not surprised.

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But I'm sure no one would have been overjoyed if the thief had died.

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His choice, he took a risk and it didn't pay off. The blame / cause of his death was by his own hands. No point in blaming anyone else.

It's the same with anyone that takes risks, from drink driving, playing with traffic etc etc, if they die well tough ain't it.

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Not sure anyone wants to laugh. After all, the thief's family are probably innocent of any wrongdoing in this, and probably suffering.



Let me get one thing straight. I feel no sorrow for the electricity company. They will replace the missing cable, then just pass on the cost to their customers. After all, if it's not as if it's easy for most people to just decide they aren't going to use electricity, and regardless of who you pay your bill to, the local electricity company supplies the electricity and just charges whoever bills you. They'll just increase those charges, and the increase will eventually appear on customer bills.

No. I feel sorry for the thousands of people who, for one reason or another, rely on Electricity for the basic things like heating, lighting and cooking. Even if you use gas for cooking, you may still be affected if your gas or water company uses an electric pumping station in the area served by the substation. Not to mention all those people losing thousands of pounds worth of food because their fridges/freezers no longer work.

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I am not denying that this man has been the cause of his own fate, but there is no need to, either make prejudicial assumptions about his ethnicity, nor to take abject delight in his death. Death is no justification for theft.

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It is when it comes to stealing cable from a substation. There's enough warning signs up around them telling you that you could die if you mess with them, so if you die, then yeah it's justified.

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There is never any justification for the death of a human being.

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He caused his own death while attempting to steal, so self inflicted bscause if he would still be alive if he had not wanted to steal someones property.

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It may have been inevitable, but one could hardly say that justice had been served and certainly not cause for celebration, is it.

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I think it's really sick that it's in current affairs. :rolleyes:

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I mocked a person who died in a sort of attempt at humour , it would be nice to think that these internet posters get the same treatment as i did maybe a weeks holiday :) but i doubt they will :) its not who you are but who you know :mad:

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You are aware that he was stealing and most of these signs would have been in plain sight.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/38.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/39.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/40.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/41.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/42.jpg

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Perhaps but good to know that Darwinism still works to an extent even with the cotton wool wrapping of society in an attempt to slow it.

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That looks like amp -le warning. :o:

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Stop it, you're killing me here :rofl: :D

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Sorry - couldn't resist it.:Sprint:

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Ohm.... I guess he really didn't know watt he was doing in there.

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Really should watch how you conduct yourself.

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Justice done.

It always gives me a sense of satisfaction when I hear of a thief carrying out such an act and it has a hand in his fate.

Plus, this has most likely saved the taxpayer a lot of money in the long run.

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I don't know weather to laugh or cry with laughter, sad he died but omg how stupid could he of been.

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I know, reading stories like this make my hair stand on end.

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no-one has made prejudicial comments they asked a question



and i will take delight in his death ,the freakin' idiot has served some purpose in cutting the unemployment figures and not being a burden on the state anymore ..good riddance to the numpty

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Since when has death been "justice" for theft?

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since the idiot put a hacksaw through a mains electric cable carrying 30,000 volts

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So is death justice for stupidity or ignorance then?

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I see, so the fact that he died due to stupidity, is "justice" and a reason to celebrate that he was electrocuted to death? There are truly some disturbing people.

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sometimes yes ,everybody knows that messing about in a substation is probably going to end badly so if the numpty ignored all the signs ,the high metal fence ,the loud buzzing noise and all the signs of a little man lighting up like a christmas tree then that's his fault and all i can say is thank god he isn't poluting the gene pool anymore

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yep and he was one one of them and i think the phrase you are looking for Flyboy is "poetic justice"

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No one else caused his death apart from his own greed and stupidity.

So why should I or anyone else feel any pity for an idiot who would try to steal from an electricity sub station.

He had no thoughts about the people who he will have caused problems for as all his mind was on was the profit he would make from the theft of the cable.

What you say if he had got away and then someone innocent walked past and they were electrocuted.

He 100% got what he deserved it was not justice but crass stupidity.

He did not even need to read to be able to know what these signs meant.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/38.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/39.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/40.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/41.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/42.jpg

He took a chance and paid for it with his life, tough luck.

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No one deserves this and this is what makes your attitude all the more disquieting and unsettleing.

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If he had not tried to steal a live 30000 volt cable he would still be alive, that is crass stupidity and is deserved of the Darwin Award.

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This might not make me very popular however theres no point just posting in agreement with the majority all the time, but I agree 100% with flyboy on this. This is a human being here that has died, fair enough he was a thief but nobody knows the circumstances which led to him being one, might have just been a poor bloke hit by hard times trying to make some easy money, small mouths to feed? nobody knows. I love my car but if someone stole it and crashed and died I wouldnt think "justice had been done." Id actually feel sorry for the thief, maybe thats just me. No offence to anyone whatsoever but this is someones son/brother/father that everyone seems to be joking about :(

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He broke into a sub station First dumb act

He decided to cut a 30.000kv cable Second dumb act

It was his fault and he has done the tax payer a favour because the numpty would have ended up in jail sooner or later, That then would cost us a lot of money in his upkeep. Self administered justice carried out if you ask me.

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Agreed

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So blame society rather than themselves? :confused:

If I gave you knife and said 'if' you put it on your finger and saw at it, your finger will come off and cause a huge amount pain and if you do it I'll give you a quid. Then what if you decide to ignore the 'obvious' to see for yourself and because you want that quid. You start cutting at your finger then it comes off and you end up in great pain etc. Do you deserve to lose a finger and be in pain? Yes.

This person knew what he was doing and knew the risks, he was warned that it could kill him and it did. So there's no pity, it wasn't tragic, just plain stupidity, greed and disrespect for his own life, he played with fire and he got burnt (literally).

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Anyway I see your points, I just dont agree. At one point in my life I would have agreed but my opinion on things seem to be continually changing with age :p:

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Did this guy actually think the signs were fake and so cut through a 30000 volt cable, bit of a hard way to learn he was wrong to say the least.

Rather him than an innocent bystander.

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Just so you know where I stand, yes I think it was a stupid thing to do but no, I dont agree with making jokes about it. Im not attacking anyone just thought Id post my opinion on it, would be a dull world and forum if we all had the same opinions :)

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Quite right as well.

I am just amazed that anyone could have been so damn stupid to think that it was safe to cut that cable.

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Gallows humour...:shrug:

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{may as well get these off my chest with apologies}
There was bound to be potential differences in this thread. It almost seems like a power struggle at times with both viewpoints being poles apart.

I don’t have the capacity to induce further argument but some of you are being very negative having no sympathy for the deceased. Just think he may have been going through a phase. You should think of him as a down to earth human rather than a joule thief.

Instead of trying to transform your view maybe you should all switch off and put a socket in it.

On a more positive note, I’m sure he was static when he left in the Hertz.
:o:

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But as has been pointed out, several times, that it does not mean that he deserved to die and that justice has been served.

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Sorry Maggy, but gallows humour, like most humour is supposed to be funny. But this goes beyond such things and has descended into the glorification of and delight in, someone's rather gruesome death and the loss to a family. In fact, the delight was being re-inforced with the assumption that this poor unfortunate human being was not worth symapthy, because it was being assumed he was a traveller.

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Is it open day now on all deceased folk , can i mock anyone i feel like or only people that some of use find it funny to mock,

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No.



He was incredibly stupid, and paid for it, deserved ? probably not, but not deserving of much sympathy either.

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I think anything that is with the t&c's of the forum is acceptable. There are boundaries but there's a whole battery of mods will inform if you're close to making them blow a fuse ;)

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Wish i had the rules to hand to what says its right to mock a death :o:, eeh it must be marvelous to be perfect and never do anything against the law like some of cableforum's pure folk :)

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It is

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I wonder how many members of the pitch fork brigade are caning their connection downloading copyrighted films and music. Thieving gits :mad:

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But i would not break into a substation at night then cut through a 30000v cable to do it. There is dumb then there is very DUMB

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this forum is rife with double standards

although this guy was a pratt ;)

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I'm not denying the guy is (was) a moron, just observing that a fair amount of people on here engage in theft on pretty much a daily basis, so they would do well to tone down the self-righteousness a bit.

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If downloading films was physically dangerous, you knew this and you could actually be killed doing it you may have had a point.
Its like the point someone made earlier about the theft of his car, If I was in that situation and someone had stolen my car, and in their haste had killed themselves I would be incredibly happy though only if they had done this in a way that hadn't harmed anybody else. Poetic justice.
People don't deserve to die for theft, people don't deserve to die for stupidity but if people cause their own and only their own demise through a combination of the two I'm all for it.

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My feelings as well

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No one forced him to break into an electricity substation and no one made cut a cable carrying 30000 volts of electricity, it was his own greed and stupidity that made him do it.

Hopefully this will serve as a warning to other like minded people of the possible consequences of such actions.

I rather doubt it as their greed for making money at other peoples expense will see to that.

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Nowhere i`ll bet but surely the previous posters referring to "pikeys" would have been the better people to direct that question at?

It`s a shame he`s put his family through such tragedy but personally i have absolutely no sympathy for the numpty in question. If you play with fire then you do risk getting burnt.

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My reference to Pikeys was not in relation to this thread but the theft of Virginmedia Fibre cable which contains no copper but will cause major outages in areas that it occurs in.;)

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incredibly happy? Its an odd world we live in:( oh well I've no right to judge, if thats your view then fair enough

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Well I don't think he'd be that incredibly happy, the car would probably be a write off. :Sprint:

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Incredibly happy may be a little strong but I certainly wouldn't be upset. And if he had been apprehended by the authorities I would be prefer for him to be taken into custody and wouldn't wish for him to have been killed instead.
However, If he stole my car and killed himself in his own stupidity I would consider it poetic justice. Nobody to blame but himself.

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Oh, i dont have any issues with the term Pikey, i dont have any issues at all in fact and was just curious why those who mentioned the travellers first had not been asked the same question as the first poster who complained about the dead human being side of things and the previous crass seeming remarks about his demise.

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ahhh now I see what you mean, I did think you were being a bit harsh :D

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So, if those who download illegally were wired to the mains and was electrocuted for doing it, they would have got what they deserve?

It is so heartwarming that you find the value to be so insignificant.

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I have never said that anyone else but him is to blame for his own demise, but I take no satisfaction in that fact, nor do I relish in its entertainment, as some do here.

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I did joke about it, gallows humour and of course being from Liverpool, but to be honest the is only one person to blame for his death and that is himself.

I cannot feel sorry for him as I said before because he could have killed someone else just for greed and stupidity.

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But by someone stealing a film by leaching couldn't he or she be stealing food out of a directors child's mouth ? she could die of malnutrition or maybe a person who works in blockbuster gets laid off just by the actions of a internet leacher which in turn leads to a family breakdown which in turn leads to a stabbing frenzy :mad: on your souls be it. But isn't it so much easier to laugh at at a person stealing cable wire thats different isn't it :D

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I can't quite understand the comment, but I think you missed the important bit at the end. "But isn't it so much easier to laugh at at a person stealing cable wire that's attached to a 30,000kv substation thats different isn't it". - Yes it is quite easy to laugh at the stupidness of it. The stealing part though is irrelevant.

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I personally do not download as it is to much hassle and if I want to see a movie I go the cinema or get the dvd.

This person could have caused the death of anyone walking past or as it was 30000 volts and obviously a sub station of some size could caused a hospital to have problems with keeping patients alive while waiting for backups to kick in.

This person thought nothing about how his selfish act of theft could have affected other people and by virtue of him being stupid paid the ultimate price with his life.

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It's strange hows things can occur without us realising it. The substation supplied power to a factory that prints CD's/DVD's. The night shift was sent home when the power went off. The guy had a wife & family. OK he did it himself but still sad. When it happened the lights dimmed for five or six seconds throughout the town. Glad I didn't have to see the result. I used to work on H/V supplies and wouldn't have liked to see the result.

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Sigh!

Since when has it been obligatory to feel sympathy for those criminals who through their own crass stupidity get themselves killed.I've every sympathy for their families who are entirely innocent but frankly this person deserves little sympathy.

Slightly OT.
I'm pigging sick of copper thieves.I mostly work at a very large secondary school built in the 60s.It was a custom built Comprehensive with a very distinguishing feature of beautiful copper roofing with a beautiful verdigris patina.Unfortunately the school has been targeted so many times in the last two years that a third of the roofs are now replaced with copper without the patina..It looks horrible and makes the school look so much shabbier than it should.All because certain people think they have the right just to take what they can to make a fast buck.:mad: Let us hope the next lot fall off the roof and injure themselves severely.

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Let me just address the 'downloading films is stealing from directors and authors' part first. I downloaded a copy of twilight when the film first came out, why? because I was curious about the film but not enough to justify spending the money in the cinema. I watched the downloaded version, then based on that viewing I went to the cinema to watch it, twice, taking someone with me each time, then I bought all 4 books. Then I bought the DVD when it came out.
Based on that first experience I then went to see New Moon when that came out, taking someone with me.
So, by downloading the film to ascertain whether I liked it I bought 6 cinema tickets so far, 2 DVDs and 4 books. None of which I would have purchased had I not seen the film for free initially.


Ok, back on topic.

For this idiot to fry himself the following events took place
1) He decided to enter the substation
To do which he either climbed or broke through the metal fence surrounding the substation, clearly marked with 'do not enter, danger of death' signs.
Then he forced the door to the substation, also clearly marked with 'danger of death' signs.
I will freely admit ignorance as to the interior architecture of a power substation but I would presume more safeguards inside and signs. he would presumably have had to bypass this.

He then fell foul of simple physics. by his action of penetrating the insulation of a 33kv power cable he suffered the reaction of becoming part of that circuit.

He, through his own actions and not those of anyone else, did a human impersonation of a fly in a bug zapper, and yes, that is funny. And because he removed himself from the gene pool, worthy of either a darwin award if he had no kids, or an honorable mention if he did.

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No, there are some stupid people who try to steal copper from substations - no-one is 'celebrating', but the 'disturbed' people are the ones ignoring the danger of death signs, not anyone else, in my opinion.

Justice? - I'm not sure, but trying to steal copper from a substation is certainly stupid - death is usually inevitable.

- jumping off a skyscraper is another way of dying, 'justice' isn't involved in the process - however the loss of life is just as inevitable - there is no justification either way, the person is still dead - we may sympathise, but the result remains....

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:clap:

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No one has asked you to feel sorry for him, personally I don't see the point in taking the pee out of some one who is dead, it's not like he is going to be bothered by it, in fact the only people likely to be bothered are his friends and family, most of whom weren't cutting through any cables and as has already been pointed out gallows humour is supposed to be funny, a part from a couple of puns there have precious few laughs in this thread so far imo.

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http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/ma...named_1_214597

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I mentioned this story to my wife last night, and she said the person she works with knew the family, and from what I was told does change my view point somewhat. (I can't say it either enforces my viewpoint or changes it entirely, obviously as it might go against the sites t&c's).

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" His death is being treated as unexplained " ? :erm:
Surely 30,000 volts into the body through trying to steal wiring is a good enough explanation.

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Flyboy, this is for you.......... If someone tried to steal the lead off of a church roof, slipped and fell to their death, would you still feel that they were hard done by?
If someone was to try and mug someone and a fight ensued and they ended up being killed in the fight, would you still say to us that it was wrong that they died?
I`m just trying to get my point over here about right and wrong.
If you put yourself and your life in a situation where you might get hurt or killed through your own stupidity, you deserve everything that falls on your shoulders.

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And what i posted in this post........ Post #2
"I don`t suppose they were `Pikeys` by any chance.:erm:
Serves him bloody well right. If it isn`t yours, don`t take it.:mad: "
Isn`t it a fact that decent normal people don`t go out thieving to get money, they get a job and work for what they want.
By the way, was he a Pikey/ Traveller.?

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I cant speak for flyboy but it wasnt about the stupidity side of things, it was the making a joke out of it all that I didnt agree with, reading flyboys posts he seemed to be making the same point. That and it hardly means you "deserve" to die. Though I know flyboy can speak for himself I thought Id also reply as I posted in agreement with him. Sounds like there maybe a bit more to this story, if it turns out to be not what the majority was expecting I hope some people will think about casting judgement before the facts are known.

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Where did i make a joke of this mans death?
All i said was he got what he deserved, he shouldn`t have been there trying to steal what wasn`t his look at post number 2, my original post.

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sorry if i wasnt clear, I didnt say or mean that you personally had joked about it no offence to you, I was pointing out what I disagreed with in the thread, though reading back it would seem I've done that a few times so I will leave you all to it and go and find a less serious thread to join in with :D

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Why don't you start one of your own? they're easy to do. if I can manage it any idiot can ;) :D

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I dont have anything against muslims so Im a bit restricted :D

(sorry just a joke couldnt resist!) I dont tend to start threads for fear nobody joins in and I talk to myself like this one http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...ror-codes.html :erm: :D

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No, it isn't always a fact. Decent, normal people will do a lot of things to get money (or, to be more precise, to get the things that money buys) if they're desperate enough. I don't disagree it was a really stupid thing to do, but we don't know the circumstances that led up to this man feeling it necessary to do it.

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exactly and Im sorry to waffle on and on but if for example I lost my job and I was desperately worried about being able to feed and clothe my son, rather than watch him struggle I may be pushed into doing stupid things/crime, I'd do anything for him. If one of those things led to my death I wouldnt say I deserved it and had it coming.

Right, now seriously, Im gone :D

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But you are unlikely to break into an electricity substation and attempt to cut a live 30000 volt cable are you as you are not as stupid as the person who did that and paid for his stupidity with his life.