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TheDaddy 14-04-2010 08:01

Single Mother Sues Army
 
Tilern DeBique, 28, says she was forced to leave the Army because she was expected to be available for duty around the clock.

She was formally disciplined when she failed to appear on parade because she had to look after her daughter.

She was told the Army was a 'war-fighting machine' and 'unsuitable for a single mother who couldn't sort out her childcare arrangements'.

Sounds reasonable to me but wait

Now she is in line for a payout of at least £100,000 for loss of earnings, injury to feelings and aggravated damages.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...childcare.html

We have no money for kit or injured soldiers but we have a £100k for her, no wonder she is smiling...

Paul K 14-04-2010 08:20

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Don't forget she is also going for racial discrimination too.

Gary L 14-04-2010 08:25

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They should appeal and win. otherwise who's going to look after my child is going to be just one of many.

j52c 14-04-2010 09:21

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What a surprise, she is playing the race card game.

RizzyKing 14-04-2010 09:24

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Absolutely sickening it really is some people are so pathetic what the hell did this dozy bint expect where did she think she was. Seriously this should never have gone her way and common sense should have prevailed we have brave lads and gals overseas right now doing and being everything that is best about our armed forces and we have this person back here showing the real side of what this country is becoming.

Maggy 14-04-2010 09:32

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There was a time that when a young female recruit became pregnant she had to leave the service..there was no question she should stay unless she did have an alternative for the child's care.

Personally I think that there should be no single parents in the services.The child/ren should seen to come first if they only have one parent to care for them.

Also although the services are a terrific career opportunity they really cannot be viewed as other professions are.The elements of risk must make the armed forces a special case in such cases.

j52c 14-04-2010 10:28

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Very true.

My son joined the young boys army when he was 16, he then went straight into the regular army when he was 18 and been there ever since. He has done several tours in N Ireland, he has also been in Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan, during this time he has risen up the ranks and cannot get much higher.
He has 2 children, neither of whom he saw till they were a few months old, there was no way he could get leave to be at the birth.
People know what they are letting themselves in for when they join the army, it is a shame when you get people like this who play the race card when things don't go their way.

punky 14-04-2010 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35000943)
There was a time that when a young female recruit became pregnant she had to leave the service..there was no question she should stay unless she did have an alternative for the child's care.

Personally I think that there should be no single parents in the services.The child/ren should seen to come first if they only have one parent to care for them.

Also although the services are a terrific career opportunity they really cannot be viewed as other professions are.The elements of risk must make the armed forces a special case in such cases.

Indeed. It should also be worth noting that she got pregnant several years after joining the army. So she should bear the responsibility in bringing a child into that situation, not the armed services. Stupidly, the courts disagree.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 35000919)
Don't forget she is also going for racial discrimination too.

She's already won that.

Its ludicrous to claim racial discrimination because armed services won't bend and break immigration rules to bring in soldiers' family members.

Hugh 14-04-2010 10:38

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Whilst most employers try to be flexible with child-care issues, I believe the Armed Forces have to be an exception, as you/they need to be able to be on duty at the drop of a hat (it's part of the job description).

nomadking 14-04-2010 11:01

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They did try to be flexible.
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But yesterday the former lance-corporal admitted rejecting a five-year posting to a base which had facilities to look after her daughter. Miss DeBique admitted turning down a five-year posting to Blandford Army Camp in Dorset, which would have provided the care she had needed for her little girl.

Earl of Bronze 14-04-2010 11:06

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I sorry to say, this is just utter Bullsnot ! :mad:

Hugh 14-04-2010 12:18

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Torygraph
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It was also disclosed that she had simultaneously been applying for work at up to £48,000-a-year job in Afghanistan making use of specialist telecommunications experience from the Army....

......In August 2007 she emailed a recruitment agent about a job as a senior systems administrator for a Nato telecommunications project in Kabul which involved being away for nine weeks at a time, the panel heard.
A few months later she applied for another similar post which required would have required her to be in Afghanistan for 12 week periods.
And here's the Tribunal's judgement - Telegraph
Quote:

the tribunal ruled: "Despite it being foreseeable that Miss DeBique could become a single parent while in service and if that happened that she would have difficulty with her childcare arrangements unless a member of her extended family who was a foreign national could live with her, the Army failed to make appropriate arrangements for such an eventuality.
"Bearing in mind the recruitment campaigns, the tribunal would expect that the Army would make those arrangements.
"The arrangements could have been to provide proper childcare provisions. But that was not done or done effectively.
"So, the tribunal would expect some relaxation of the usual immigration rule."
What?:shocked: The Army's only recourse to prevent this would have been sterilisation - what a stupid statement (imho).

Taf 14-04-2010 12:54

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Give her an armoured pram and send her to the front line....when she refuses, do her for desertion, lock her up for a while, then kick her out back to her country of origin.

Then send the members of the tribunal to the front line too.

Chris 14-04-2010 12:58

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Yet another example of what happens when the doctrine of equality at all costs is allowed to trump anything and everything else without question. I could say more about how we came to this but then I'd be forced to close the thread for making it political. :spin: :D

Stuart 14-04-2010 13:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35000971)
Whilst most employers try to be flexible with child-care issues, I believe the Armed Forces have to be an exception, as you/they need to be able to be on duty at the drop of a hat (it's part of the job description).

Agreed. It is one thing missing a parade, but what if she'd been called on to go to war? Would she have missed that as well?

Flyboy 14-04-2010 13:54

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Oh nothing.

Hugh 14-04-2010 14:06

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Did you mean to post 0 0 ?

Osem 14-04-2010 14:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35001018)
Yet another example of what happens when the doctrine of equality at all costs is allowed to trump anything and everything else without question I could say more about how we came to this but then I'd be forced to close the thread for making it political. :spin: :D

Can I do it for you? :D

RizzyKing 14-04-2010 14:55

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This has really knocked me back a bit i honestly cannot believe anyone could even think of doing this but to then do it and win just absolutely begger's belief. How much more accomadating did they have to be she was offered a UK base posting no doubt with a gaurantee of no oversea's deployment and turned it down for gods sake this court needs a damn good hiding. This could open the floodgates to the waste of space brigade in the UK to join up get knocked up and quit for some parental reason it really is insanity.

I am completely behind fair treatment for all people regardless of race, culture or religious persuasion but there has to be a limit beyond which the individual is accountable and responseable for their actions. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason for an unplanned pregnancy and if it was planned then sorry i cannot see how the army can be held accountable for the reckless action of this individual.

As for the whole race card issue i am totally sick and tired of people of low value bringing it up in their defence when it suits them and making it so much harder for those who have legitimate rights to use it when it is used in this context it weakens the argument for everyone. This is a childish spoilt little madam that should never have been accomadated by anyone or anything much less the courts shame on them.

Maggy 14-04-2010 14:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35001121)
This has really knocked me back a bit i honestly cannot believe anyone could even think of doing this but to then do it and win just absolutely begger's belief. How much more accomadating did they have to be she was offered a UK base posting no doubt with a gaurantee of no oversea's deployment and turned it down for gods sake this court needs a damn good hiding. This could open the floodgates to the waste of space brigade in the UK to join up get knocked up and quit for some parental reason it really is insanity.

I am completely behind fair treatment for all people regardless of race, culture or religious persuasion but there has to be a limit beyond which the individual is accountable and responseable for their actions. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason for an unplanned pregnancy and if it was planned then sorry i cannot see how the army can be held accountable for the reckless action of this individual.

As for the whole race card issue i am totally sick and tired of people of low value bringing it up in their defence when it suits them and making it so much harder for those who have legitimate rights to use it when it is used in this context it weakens the argument for everyone. This is a childish spoilt little madam that should never have been accomadated by anyone or anything much less the courts shame on them.

:clap::clap::clap:

Ken W 14-04-2010 15:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35001013)
Give her an armoured pram and send her to the front line....when she refuses, do her for desertion, lock her up for a while, then kick her out back to her country of origin.

Then send the members of the tribunal to the front line too.


Nic one, I aggree

TheDaddy 14-04-2010 15:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35000962)
According to one red top (sorry can't find a net link) she's now claiming £500,000 compo including £375,000 for "lost earnings" if she'd served a full 22 years.:mad:

Most women don't do the full 22 years, very far from it in fact

only six per cent of female soldiers serve their full 22 years.


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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35001026)
Agreed. It is one thing missing a parade, but what if she'd been called on to go to war? Would she have missed that as well?

Probably, I wonder how her comrades feel about doing her guard duty etc so she can look after her baby, I think the army does its best to accomodate peoples needs and has been harshly dealt with here, just goes to show how biased employment tribunals are, you only have to turn up to win on even the most trivial of cases.

Jimmy-J 15-04-2010 05:09

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Quote:

A tale of two payouts: Now single mother who couldn't sort out childcare demands £1.1m - seven times more than Army offered hero who lost legs
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0l8P1Ohgm

Chris 16-04-2010 14:49

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BBC breaking news - she got £17,016.

Flyboy 16-04-2010 14:53

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Well, there we go, very far from what the Daily Heil was predicting.

The army didn't do things as well as they should have and had to pay a little because of it; case closed.

Ignitionnet 16-04-2010 15:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35002464)
Well, there we go, very far from what the Daily Heil was predicting.

The army didn't do things as well as they should have and had to pay a little because of it; case closed.

It didn't predict anything it mentioned what she was trying to claim.

Still a reasonable-ish result.

Stuart 16-04-2010 15:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35002474)
It didn't predict anything it mentioned what she was trying to claim.

It didn't. However, it did draw comparisons with what several injured soldiers had actually been offered as compensation. As such, it was written very misleadingly. It makes this comparison while failing to point out that a claim is not a payout. Indeed, it infers the total opposite by comparing the claims to payouts.

Another example why I don't consider the Mail to be any more than an insidious and offensive hate filled rag.

Ignitionnet 16-04-2010 15:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35002479)
Another example why I don't consider the Mail to be any more than an insidious and offensive hate filled rag.

How true!

martyh 16-04-2010 15:41

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this is a riduculous state of affairs ,people join the army knowing that at some stage in their career they may be expected to go to war ,they are soldiers before anything else, everything else comes second .This sad excuse for a woman should not have got a penny

RizzyKing 16-04-2010 18:51

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She shouldn't have got anything but a boot up her backside on her way out of the door unbelievable :rolleyes:.


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