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injuneer 12-04-2010 21:09

US military warns "we're running out of oil".
 
US military warns oil output may dip by 2015 and the upheaval that will entail.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...duction-supply

Spectato 12-04-2010 22:44

Re: US military warns "we're running out of oil".
 
Kind of makes you want to say:
"Well, duh!"
Although most people probably still think current fuel prices are just a blip.

You have to wonder why this 'bombshell' is coming from the US military.
Are there some new terrorist atrocities on the horizon, perhaps with Venezuela held responsible this time?

idi banashapan 12-04-2010 23:57

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i reckon Iran will be the next global threat to peace - they've still got some reserves. oh, and Russia had a massive find of untapped reserves a couple of years back now. maybe it's them (or perhaps that's why they're getting friendly all of a sudden?)

v0id 13-04-2010 00:07

Re: US military warns "we're running out of oil".
 
are they looking for an excuse to invade (sorry, liberate) Iran?

budwieser 13-04-2010 00:13

Re: US military warns "we're running out of oil".
 
So, Lets get the Nuclear power stations up and running then.:)

Earl of Bronze 13-04-2010 00:43

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This is actually a very intelligent, and forward looking report by the US military. I remember being told back in Gulf 1, that a modern Armoured Division, under combat conditions burns in excess of 100,000 ltrs of fuel a day. Thats a hell of a lot of diesel in anyone's books. Considering the state of the world's economies, persistent droughts in area's of high cereal production, increasing global temperatures thanks to global warming, religious and political instability in regions bordering oil/gas producing nations, etc etc etc....

So for a change the American Military are taking a look at the future to try to ensure they can keep their tanks rolling.... Seems eminently sensible to me....

danielf 13-04-2010 01:58

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 35000264)
This is actually a very intelligent, and forward looking report by the US military. <snip>

So for a change the American Military are taking a look at the future to try to ensure they can keep their tanks rolling.... Seems eminently sensible to me....

When did it become part of the US Army's brief to comment publicly on the state of world oil reserves? I say back to the barracks boys, and leave politics to the politicians.

Earl of Bronze 13-04-2010 02:49

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35000294)
When did it become part of the US Army's brief to comment publicly on the state of world oil reserves? I say back to the barracks boys, and leave politics to the politicians.

Most likely because the US is a net importer of crude oil, thus it important for the top brass to ensure its ability to project power is not compromised by suddenly finding its starved for POL....

Osem 13-04-2010 14:22

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I wonder if the Falkland Isles will suddenly become a major US base or even the 51st state... :)

Earl of Bronze 13-04-2010 14:43

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35000482)
I wonder if the Falkland Isles will suddenly become a major US base or even the 51st state... :)

Well, by last reports they had found little to nothing so far....

Spectato 13-04-2010 18:42

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 35000264)
So for a change the American Military are taking a look at the future to try to ensure they can keep their tanks rolling.... Seems eminently sensible to me....

Keep the tanks rolling to secure more oil, to keep the tanks rolling, to secure more oil, to keep the tanks rolling....
You get the idea.

Open to the inevitability of whatever it's going to take to keep the current, unsustainable infrastructure intact, right to the very last drop.

"Sensible" perhaps.
Practical even, but god help the poor sods living in and around the oil-rich countries.

Osem 13-04-2010 18:53

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 35000500)
Well, by last reports they had found little to nothing so far....

Well it's always best to get in at the bottom of the market not the top... ;)

Maggy 13-04-2010 18:56

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Originally Posted by Spectato (Post 35000644)
"Sensible" perhaps.
Practical even, but god help the poor sods living in and around the oil-rich countries.

Why?Some of those states are doing very well and a far more stable than many other countries.It's only Iraq and Iran and possibly Libya that can be cause for concern..The unstable Middle East countries are the oil poor of the region.

Spectato 13-04-2010 19:02

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They may be doing well - today - but they could eventually find themselves in the unenviable position of having something that no one else has, but wants/needs very badly.
Theoretical of course, but who knows what horrors await?

Maggy 13-04-2010 19:31

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Originally Posted by Spectato (Post 35000659)
They may be doing well - today - but they could eventually find themselves in the unenviable position of having something that no one else has, but wants/needs very badly.
Theoretical of course, but who knows what horrors await?

Well that depends on how well they keep treading the careful line that they are the moment but even they can't make their supplies last for ever.

The fact is that alternatives of power and fuel need finding and research needs doing long before we get to the state where we invade to steal resources.Despite my misgivings I'm sure most governments of developed countries have been thinking long and hard about the possibilities for some time.

idi banashapan 13-04-2010 19:45

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35000675)
Well that depends on how well they keep treading the careful line that they are the moment but even they can't make their supplies last for ever.

not forgetting, of course, that they must also continue to trade in PetroDollars and not try to make more profit by converting trade to another currency. we all know what happened to the last supplier who tried to move away from the PetroDollar....

Earl of Bronze 14-04-2010 01:50

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35000675)
Well that depends on how well they keep treading the careful line that they are the moment but even they can't make their supplies last for ever.

The fact is that alternatives of power and fuel need finding and research needs doing long before we get to the state where we invade to steal resources.Despite my misgivings I'm sure most governments of developed countries have been thinking long and hard about the possibilities for some time.

Yep.... Nothing like a couple of Neutron Bombs exploding over cities to sort out your energy needs, and access to what may well belong to someone else. ;)

injuneer 14-04-2010 11:19

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35000675)
Well that depends on how well they keep treading the careful line that they are the moment but even they can't make their supplies last for ever.

The fact is that alternatives of power and fuel need finding and research needs doing long before we get to the state where we invade to steal resources.Despite my misgivings I'm sure most governments of developed countries have been thinking long and hard about the possibilities for some time.

I'm glad someone has faith in our government's long term outlook, personally I think they're all going to be overwhelmed by future energy problems. We are a society in denial, it will take a big shock to make people change their ways. It's human nature.

Bricktop 15-04-2010 10:10

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Originally Posted by Spectato (Post 35000171)
perhaps with Venezuela held responsible this time?

well im sure the American Gov will plot another 9/11, carry it out and then blame Venezeuela for it, a perfect excuse to invade them.

Hugh 15-04-2010 10:55

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Wibble....

I wonder why the US didn't invade Saudi Arabia then, as most of the hijackers were mostly Saudi nationals.....

TheDaddy 15-04-2010 11:02

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35001591)
Wibble....

I wonder why the US didn't invade Saudi Arabia then, as most of the hijackers were mostly Saudi nationals.....

and that fact didn't stop Bush and his buddies from trying to tell us Iraq was involved.....

Derek 15-04-2010 11:18

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Originally Posted by Bricktop (Post 35001565)
well im sure the American Gov will plot another 9/11, carry it out and then blame Venezeuela for it, a perfect excuse to invade them.

Here, you might find this useful.

http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/...hat-755294.jpg

Spectato 15-04-2010 12:25

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35001591)
I wonder why the US didn't invade Saudi Arabia then, as most of the hijackers were mostly Saudi nationals.....

A picture (or two) paints a thousand words.

TheNorm 15-04-2010 18:27

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 35000264)
.... I remember being told back in Gulf 1, that a modern Armoured Division, under combat conditions burns in excess of 100,000 ltrs of fuel a day. ....

I have an idea! Put solar panels on top of the tanks!!

:cool:

Matty_ 15-04-2010 19:02

Re: US military warns "we're running out of oil".
 
The trouble is we are slowly but surely moving towards the 1:1 factor whereby it takes the same amount of energy to extract a barrel of oil as is used by the extracted/processed product.
We use, or should i say current demand according to OPEC is ~85.21 Million barrels per day (around a quarter of this is used by America), this is nearly 1 Million more than last year and as it is becoming harder and harder to find and recover (the days of easy oil are nearly over) other sources are going to have to become a viable alternative.

Saudi Arabia still has a hell of a lot of the stuff but they are pumping seawater into the fields to keep the pressure up at the well heads, this is having a detrimental effect on the usable oil left.

IMO we need to explore ways of using coal/gas to liquid in a far more economical way than at present, there is still plenty of coal and gas in the ground and the majority of it is in pretty stable regions.
The reliance on oil as our major energy source is not going to last forever, suitable alternatives need to be found.

This is quite a good read for anyone interested in this subject: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0324225511.htm

Will21st 15-04-2010 19:27

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Originally Posted by Bricktop (Post 35001565)
well im sure the American Gov will plot another 9/11, carry it out and then blame Venezeuela for it, a perfect excuse to invade them.

whatever you're smoking,can I have some? ;)

idi banashapan 15-04-2010 19:36

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lol - some of the responses are so typical. another bloody witch hunt and numerous posts regarding tin hats. don't you lot ever get bored of yourselves? it's almost instant linching of anyone who airs a view that contradicts the mainstream...

****DISCLAIMER****
now I'm not saying there is or isn't a conspiracy, nor am I saying that there ever has or hasn't been, but at least I don't gang up and begin the ritualised mocking and fool-calling... grow up. it's the same thing every single time. let people say what they feel without the fear of being branded a madman straight away. have you got your sharpened sticks yet? I'd hate to have the first ET contact happen to some of you lot - I worry you might just stone it on site.

Hugh 15-04-2010 20:26

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But you appear to be acting under the assumption that all viewpoints are valid and should be treated equally - I disagree.

If someone states "if you jump from a twenty-storey tower block without any flight aids or some safety equipment to keep you safe, you'll be all right", I wouldn't give that the same weighting as someone stating "you don't want to be doing that, you'll kill or at least severely injure yourself".

But, as has been so often said, people have the right to state their viewpoint - I reserve the right to disagree, sometimes in a light-hearted manner.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/39.png or http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/idt2...5bothsides.gif


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