Sleeves in hospitals are a health risk.
 

Muslim doctors and nurses are to be allowed for religious reasons to opt out of strict NHS dress codes introduced to prevent the spread of deadly hospital superbugs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-reasons.html

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its been allowed for ages, nothing new there.

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So we have two situations.
A) A small cross which may scratch a patient. Although I would have thought that other items such as pens could have the same effect.
B) Long sleeves which have been found to possibly spread bacteria some of which may have lead to patient deaths.
Which one doesn't get completely banned?

If there are valid grounds for banning something in general, then there isn't a valid case for exceptions.

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A) A loop around someone's neck which could be grabbed, snagged, caught etc, and contains skin, sweat, bacteria
B) Clothing to adhere to the religious requirement of dressing modestly which is worn once and washed.

Hey, this game is fun, lets see who can come up with the best one.

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And it's all in.... the Daily Hate!
Bless 'em.

Is this by any chance designed to provoke the reaction:
"Damn foreigners!"
"Come over here, break our rules, steal our jobs, rape our wives..." etc. etc. :zzz:

I wonder if wizards/druids are exempt?

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I gather that you would be quite happy catching something like MRSA?

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I'd rather be in a clean hospital, but since they've seen fit to close two thirds of them, and pack us all in to the remaining ones, like sardines (in filth).....

If MRSA is present and prevalent, then the chances are you'll get it anyway (I'm a big strong lad, so not particularly worried).
I somehow doubt that 'sleeves' are the biggest risk factor.

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So you have a 'I'm all right Jack' attitude. Nice.:rolleyes:

Then you're saying that there is no basis for the ban on long sleeves?

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So you're advocating banning all visitors, isolation for all patients, antibiotic body scrubs etc then?

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Well, you asked how I would feel.
I can't speak for everyone else.

Whether the sleeve issue is tangible or not, this is just the usual, thinly disguised BNP propaganda from the Daily Hate.
As I see it, the bugs in the hospitals represent the health risk.
Maybe they should focus on that instead of faffing about with who can wear what.

Personally.... I think that all hospital staff should be subject to the same dress code, in the ideal world.
But I'm fortunate enough not to have any strong religious binds, so probably can't appreciate the implications that would have on those so afflicted.
The whole thing does sound like a lot of hoo hah over nothing though.

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Yet another negative thread concerning Muslims by Gary, inspired once again by the Daily Hate.
How long before the next one Gary?

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I take it you like all my other threads about non Muslims?

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they are allowed to throw shoes too.

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At the patients?

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Muslim protesters 'will be allowed to throw their shoes'

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We've already got that covered :)
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ther-foot.html

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Of course, it's all an anti-Christian conspiracy, in order to conquer the western world. :shocked:

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Really? Must have missed that. Why hasn't "Dave" centred on this for his campaign?

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Because if he did and people started rambling on about it in this thread, and thus turning this thread into a 'party political' discussion, it would soon get the thread shut and those responsible infracted . . . probably ;)

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More than that where I am (some rounding was involved).
Two major hospitals closed (one where I was born), various outpatient clinics and the Royal Naval hospital gone.
Just one big filthy behemoth (with premium car-parking) left.
Staffed exclusively by Muslims and serial-killer porters. :spin:

They were all closed pre-Blair.

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No, seriously, when did they close two-thirds of the hospitals in the country?

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Aah, could the thread not be merged with the official thread? :)

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I think Spectato was referring to his local area (he didn't state that, but he didn't state it was the whole country either, so I could see how "confusion" could occur).

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Nice adornment, except I never said that.

Thanks FW.

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If there is a decent medical case to be made for keeping arms bare to the elbow then I don't think anyone should be exempt from the rule.
If someone feels that they cannot comply with the rule (for whatever reason) then surely their conscience should force them to change careers......since they are putting their patients at increased risk.
If they choose to ignore the rule, in spite of knowing that it puts their patients at increased risk, then we have to question their fitness to work in that sphere.....

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Surely there are sterile disposal sleeves which could be used?

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How often would they have to be changed? Who pays for them?

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To be paid for by whom exactly?

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Sorry, but it was just a thought.

Perhaps the savings in having to fight ignorance might get to pay for them. ;) Or perhaps them not having to keep people in hospital, due to secondary infections, might go towards paying for them?

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Of course, the ignorance that you think needs fighting, is to make sure that everyone understands that long sleeves help spread infections.:D

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Which you can wear over your original sleeve. hence making the rule bare skin from the elbow downwards an untruth.

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From the link in the OP

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So the usual non-story then?

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yep i just wasted 10mins of my life reading this twoddle :mad:

Garyl i am gonna hunt you down :sniper:

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You don't have to hunt. I'll tell you where I am :)

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Throw a shoe at him! :D

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lol :d

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There are and they have to use them but the researchers think that they won't get swapped as often as arms get washed so they will end up not being hygenic.....

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Aah, not reading the blooming articles again. I have this strong adversity to casting eyes on the Daily Heil. But this kind of proves the point, doesn't it?

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Aah, the good old Daily Heil. I wonder when their reporters got the powers of clairvoyance?

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maybe the mods should have another catergory in the basement just for DM links complete with a H&S warning :D

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You are making an incorrect assumption about where I got that info from........iirc it was the Times or the Telegraph.

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But it was in the OP's link to the Daily Heil. If you want me to make correct assumptions on your sources, it may have been prudent to declare them in the first place.

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I didn't link to anything.....probably best not to make assumptions.....I just stated what had been reported in the news.....

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As an aside.....link ............but the NHS has let some people off the hook when it comes to this.

MRSA Action UK

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For example?

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For example what?:confused:

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Rammy ! Don't go there ! Flyboy will just ask you a series of idiotic questions, without ever answering any of his own, and will eventually say that anyone opposed to the unilateral changes to the agreed *Bare below the elbows* directive to all hospital staff in contact with patients, is a bigot and a racist.... Its what he does in virtually every thread....

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lol, cheers.....I was wondering why he hadn't commented on the info in the two links I supplied above :D

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Rammy, sorry to be pedantic, but your first link doesn't mention arms at all, and the link on the site to the WHO's recommendations - Link - focus specifically on scrubbing of the arms pre-surgery (which should be a given). The only mention of sleeves (a few times) is I agree risk should be minimised and mitigated, but some of the recent comments on this thread were assuming that research fully backed up this contention.

I am in agreement with the Chair of MRSA UK, in that there should have been more consultation before the new recommendation was published.

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This:



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Thank you for adding so eloquently to the topic. :rolleyes:

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I know. I made a point of stating "if " there was decent evidence to support this in my first post :)
I don't know if there is (and frankly cant be a'rsd to look into it much either :D )
However arms are attached to hands so it seems reasonable to wash some distance up the forearms and sleeves will also touch hands if they are allowed to be worn.....

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Haven't the muslim women been allowed to wear sleeves? :confused: