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papa smurf 10-04-2010 09:40

Migrant city's cry for help
 
Migrant city's cry for help: Anguished letter to Brown and Cameron reveals devastating toll of immigration on schools, housing and hospitals

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/elec...#ixzz0kgFmENyI

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tion-toll.html

this is what worries people about immigration ,when it gets to breaking point and the Government do nothing .



if your not adult enough to read the mail please keep it to yourself.

Gary L 10-04-2010 09:47

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I can understand that. from the start you had everything 'normal' people and resources were there and things just went along with what's needed.

then you throw a big spanner in the works where people and resources had to cope and adapt to the new demand. with no real help from the government to be able to do it.

it's like a disaster strikes and you have no extra resources other than what you had before to deal with it.

Russ 10-04-2010 09:47

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'there was parental choice in education with school places. There was no homelessness. There were no problems with registering at the local doctors for health services.
'Everyone knew the local police officer and they were available at all times. People could walk the streets in safety and talk to their neighbours.'
Isn't that what everyone in their 60s/70s+ seem to say these days?

papa smurf 10-04-2010 09:49

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34998241)
Isn't that what everyone in their 60s/70s+ seem to say these days?

no

Gary L 10-04-2010 09:55

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34998241)
Isn't that what everyone in their 60s/70s+ seem to say these days?

As silly as it may sound to some. if you were to take all the houses away from immigrants and give them to others. there wouldn't be nearly as much homelessness.

if you were to give no health care or benefits and all else that costs the country money. then there would be more money.

if you were to stop immigration that would help tremendously.

but as it is. cries for help will still be there because we don't really have the resources. we just plod along as we are and cope with what we have.

martyh 10-04-2010 10:00

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i think immigration should be a much bigger issue in this general election than it seems to be ,all the parties seem to be focusing on tax issues ,but i feel that immigration and the rapid degeneration of our public services is an issue that most people want addressed

Osem 10-04-2010 10:01

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Well of course HMG has been in denial about such issues for years ever since they forecast just a few tens of thousands of EU migrants would come here after the EU expanded. The result of this is that resentment, intolerance and fear grow in both the host and migrant communities as public services struggle to cope with demand. These problems were entirely foreseeable as soon as it became clear that the numbers involved were massively underestimated yet HMG has been very slow to act where they've done so at all. Sadly, these problems will only get worse as the economy continues in the doldrums and when the cuts which are going to have to be made start to bite. The tactic used to be to brand anyone who raised such questions as racists/xenophobes but when they realised they couldn't get away with that anymore they started promising an open debate about these issues... :rolleyes: One thing that hasn't changed, however, is the apparent lack of any meaningful plans or measures to address serious problems like these.

Russ 10-04-2010 10:03

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34998248)
As silly as it may sound to some. if you were to take all the houses away from immigrants and give them to others. there wouldn't be nearly as much homelessness.

So those immigrants wouldn't then be homeless? How did you work that one out?

papa smurf 10-04-2010 10:07

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34998259)
So those immigrants wouldn't then be homeless? How did you work that one out?

i think he meant they would be in their country or origin and not overburdening ours .

Gary L 10-04-2010 10:09

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34998259)
So those immigrants wouldn't then be homeless? How did you work that one out?

But who's place are they taking?
if it never happened in the first place then they wouldn't be made homeless.

in this country you can be classed as deliberately making yourself homeless. you are not automatically entitled to an house.
you can make yourself deliberately unemployed. you are not automaticaly entitled to any help.
the benefits system now. before you were classed as being living in poverty and by law had to have a certain amount for being in poverty. now you can have your once 'poverty' money taken off you as a punishment for not doing enough to find work.

immigrants don't get penalised for the first two.

martyh 10-04-2010 10:13

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34998265)
But who's place are they taking?

in this country you can be classed as deliberately making yourself homeless. you are not automatically entitled to an house.
you can make yourself deliberately unemployed. you are not automaticaly entitled to any help.
the benefits system now. before you were classed as being living in poverty and by law had to have a certain amount for being in poverty. now you can have your once 'poverty' money taken off you as a punishment for not doing enough to find work.

immigrants don't get penalised for the first two.

fair point ,it is after all there choice to come here and quite a few have no plans once they get through immigration control so yes they are making themselves deliberately homeless/jobless/

Osem 10-04-2010 10:38

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Over the last 15 years or so we've come to know plenty of EU migrants who've come to live here and, contrary to what some people may think, many are only too aware of the adverse effects of large scale migration into certain areas/regions. Whilst they're in the main very grateful to have had the chance to improve their lot, in most cases we've found them to be very pragmatic about the reality and just as crticial of our government's shocking ineptitude as anyone else. Perhaps that's because although they're direct beneficiaries in some ways, they're also victims.

dd11 10-04-2010 10:57

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34998254)
i think immigration should be a much bigger issue in this general election than it seems to be ,all the parties seem to be focusing on tax issues ,but i feel that immigration and the rapid degeneration of our public services is an issue that most people want addressed

I agree, however I guess only people living in certain 'full' areas would understand/take the issue seriously:(

Russ 10-04-2010 11:03

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Originally Posted by dd11 (Post 34998291)
I agree, however I guess only people living in certain 'full' areas would understand/take the issue seriously:(

I don't see it a problem in Leciester which has a VERY high immigrant and ethnic make-up.

martyh 10-04-2010 11:06

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Originally Posted by dd11 (Post 34998291)
I agree, however I guess only people living in certain 'full' areas would understand/take the issue seriously:(

possibly, but now the cities are getting 'full' rural areas are starting to feel the pinch as immigrants are moved into outlying towns and villages and when those people can't just walk into their local gp for some asprin then all hell will break lose

Paul K 10-04-2010 11:16

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The migrant issue in Peterborough started a long time ago, certain areas of the city became mini "countries" where pockets of nationalities would gravitate to. It's impact on education and healthcare also started a long time ago and the infrastructure has struggled to cope under the increasing burden and has on numerous occasions failed because of it.
The problem has never been addressed and has been magnifying year on year, 20 years ago it was a situation that could be managed but now it is far from sustainable. Employment prospects are poor (they were never good to begin with but now they are appalling unless you are happy to accept minimum wage and even then the odds are against you) and the housing/ healthcare/ education services are all sinking under the burden they are having to deal with.
People who have lived and worked in Peterborough all their lives are now facing the prospect of struggling to even have their voices heard let alone listened to and acted upon and this is a scenario which is being repeated in numerous cities around the UK and will continue to be repeated until the immigration situation is looked at, understood, managed and supported fully so that the local populous can return to seeing immigration as a more positive thing instead of a destructive and crippling force.

deadite66 10-04-2010 11:19

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the UK is the rectum of Europe.

martyh 10-04-2010 11:21

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Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 34998314)
the UK is the rectum of Europe.

no it isn't ..we don't pass anything we just take it all in

papa smurf 10-04-2010 11:33

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34998316)
no it isn't ..we don't pass anything we just take it all in

so its more the constipated digestive system of Europe;)

dd11 10-04-2010 11:34

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34998295)
I don't see it a problem in Leciester which has a VERY high immigrant and ethnic make-up.

ah, ok yeah depends on individuals views on it too then.

martyh 10-04-2010 13:28

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34998329)
so its more the constipated digestive system of Europe;)

yep we need a damn good bowel movement :D

Chris 10-04-2010 14:04

Re: Migrant city's cry for help
 
This is obviously a party political issue. As per instructions in this announcement, please do not open threads like this during the general election campaign. All political debate should be happening in the official General Election thread.


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