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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0k9eNAaYx

Where I live there's about 3 mosques not too far away. is there any where you live?
I've included a poll on your thoughts on a new mosque in your area. if you are for or against the erection of one.

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I think you missed options for "I don't care" and "why does Gary always post about this sort of thing" from that poll.

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Also, the Daily Mail story forgot to mention that Dudley Central Mosque was attacked during the protest.

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Can you add that one for me please?

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Only that one? Aw shucks, ok then.

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Do you have a link for that?
seems Dudleynews forgot to mention it too.

http://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/798..._as_a_success/

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Soon as i saw the title i just knew who would have started the thread.

Just before i leave this thread i would like to say who gives a flying whatsit, Maybe as an atheist i should have been banging on the doors of my local council asking why they have allowed another church not more than 1 mile from my house to be built with all the noise that brings. Personally i don't think any should be built, land is at a premium and better use of it can be made than building any place where they worship a story book.

And finally is your issue that its a mosque or have you a disdain of ALL places of worship and if so why have you not been so quick to complain about all the other new builds ??????

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Ask, and ye shall receive....:)
BBC

And this interesting snippet from the Brum Post

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what about one for Russ is bound to have a pop because Gary has posted something on this subject again?

The basement is for such subjects so unless you want to start banning people from posting in certain areas what ya gonna do?

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funny dude in another thread today I saw you say you hope a murdered guy was to go straight to hell but of course as an atheist you do not believe in such a place lol lol

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as someone who has voiced his reasons as to why I do not trust Muslims I have voted I do not want one near me

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The thread is about the protests and violence involved when it comes to new mosques being built. as I said where I live there are 3 which were built years ago. nobody really had any objection to them at the time, and there wasn't any protests or violence.

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Figure of speech, If i had said what i wanted to say i would have been given an infraction, It was far simpler to say what i said :)

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How about "remind you to leave the running of the forum to the team"?

Seriously, who cares if there's a mosque nearby? And why would they care? Sounds more like people just don't want these "dark-skinned people" talking and praying in "foreign languages" around them.

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What do you (Gary) think about the English Defence League protesters in Dudley chanting "If you build your f*cking mosque we'll burn it down" at 3:15 in this video?

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lol I know I just find it funny when atheists say such things like they stub their toe and go Oh God or Jesus Christ etc lol

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Thanks. this part is interesting about the council objected to it but the government says yes anyway.

What's a mega mosque?

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if you looked closely I actually asked "what ya gonna do" so your statement is misplaced.

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It's catchy?

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That would be the EDL's misinterpretation of the planning process - BBC That would be an emotive term to inspire fear and anger.:dozey:

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nothing in how I feel about Muslims has anything to do with race colour or language

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The government part of it must have been the one that rejected the councils opposal.

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/t...7319-21365612/

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I know I was actually quite surprised and faintly horrified.:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Is the thread title ok. you're not upset about anything? :D:D:D:D:D:D

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No not at all and I have voted using the bottom option.;)

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I made it multiple choice. so you could have also picked "I lied" if it was there to pick ;)

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I voted "I don't care" Basically, for me to be OK with it, it would need to meet the same criteria as any building where large groups of people need to go to and leave the building. It doesn't inconvenience me too much.

If they built one near me and I had to put up with blocked roads, being woken by the call to prayer etc, then I'd be angry. But if they built a church near me, and the roads were blocked and the bells woke me, I'd still be angry. Similarly if they built a large supermarket near me, and the roads were blocked and noise level woke me, I'd still be angry.

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In some cases like the proposed "mega mosque" in the East End, there are genuine causes for concern like millions of pounds of Saudi money being fed around the world in the hope of promoting their very hard line Wahabism sect of Islam.
As regards the mosque in this story if its for local people then so what? Seeing the thugs from the EDL in the link above gives me far more cause for concern, the vast bulk came across as uneducated racist morons chanting their hateful drivel.
In my view this mouthy EDL lot are no different than the hard line haters on the Muslim side, the irony is both sides are to stupid to realize it. Pity we can't ship each side out to a remote uninhabited island in the outer Hebrides, that way both sides can be with only their "own kind"...I wonder how long this supposed nirvana would last before they turned on each other?

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Question is where is money coming from to build the mosque, tax payers?

I don't see the need for them, there are plenty around the west midlands no need for anymore, plus how many English go overseas and demand a mega church is built.

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I could imagine you singing along to it.......
Conflating the Planning Inspectorate with "the Government" in this case is like stating that "the Government" stopped your benefits when you cease to be eligible for Job Seekers Allowance. The EDL appear to state that members of the Government were involved in decision-making, when in fact what happened was just part of the due process of planning and appeals. There appears to be confusion between policy-making and policy implementation.

And the High Court - is that part of the Government? Or is it part of an independent appeals process?

If the Secretary of State had been involved in the decision-making process (as in these), the EDL would have had a valid point - but as he wasn't, they don't.

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We all would be if it made the charts. :)

Silly people.

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There's a mosque just around the corner from here (about 100yrds away) and the only problem it causes is with parking on a Friday afternoon, but as most people are at work, it's not much of a problem.

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well i voted against any new mosques in my area (newcastle) simply because the last new one that was built on elswick road resulted in horrendous parking problems on a main bus route near a fire station and two schools ,on friday afternoons the road would be totally blocked with cars double parked on double yellow lines.It took the intervention of police to put cones along the road to prevent any parking .Also it was built smack in the middle of a residential area complete with 100ft minaret which looks totally out of place

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interesting poll results so far

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I know. the 12 that have said "I don't care" will have to make a desicion when it comes to a planning application in their area.

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The same with the ones by me. you could argue that churches cause such problems too, but they don't. the only times I've ever known churches to be 'busy' is when there's a funeral.

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i would suggest and it is only a theory that most of the people who "don't care either way" don't have any mosques near them and are unlikely to ever have since they don't live in big cities or towns ,of course i may be totally of base and if i am then maybe it's time these people did care a little more

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If, not when.;)And I could argue that churches do cause the same problem - the Catholic Church in Headingley every Saturday evening and Sunday morning, and the local C of E church every Sunday morning. You could also bring schools into the equation, as the local primary school near me (about 350 metres) causes traffic jams every week-day morning and afternoon during term-time.

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Agree about churches though not really fair to bring schools into the discussion, they're essential while places of worship are just places to indulge one's superstitions with like-minded individuals.

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i agree ,but schools are needed in residential areas ,most churches have already been built and even the newer ones were built at a time when demands on local infrastructure was a lot less ,building a new mosque or any new building needs much more thought now than it would 20-30 yrs ago and sadly i don't see that happening

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More when, I'd say ;)

You could, but as I said. I don't think churches cause the same problem.
I suppose it depends on where the church is, compared to where the mosque is.
most mosques are built bang in the middle of somewhere, where just being there causes problems.

As has been said. schools are essential.

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Why will we have to make a desicion if we don't care?
Why should we care?
As I've said, there's one 100yrds from my house, the only minor problem it causes is with parking on a Friday afternoon, and as most people are at work it's a very minor problem, and only lasts about an hour.


The new church in the next town causes parking problems several times a week in that area, normally in the evenings and weekends and with a much larger congregation than the mosque.
The old church in town is rarely used although it has an ample car park, and the other new church just up the road from the mosque used to be a Kingdom Hall, but is now another sect's, seems to have a large enough car park for the few people who attend.

Now if the old church would allow the other sects to hold congregations there, that would sort out the parking problems they cause. Then the new church up the road from the mosque could be knocked down, a mosque built, and with it's car park, the parking issue would be resolved on Fridays.

Completely forgot about the old methodists church 2 doors up! It's not been used in about 2 years. Sell it to the mosque up the road, knock it down and turn it into a car park.

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I suppose really I should have just had a Yes or a No in answer to What are your thoughts on the erection of a new mosque where you live?

that way if you don't care then you just don't take part in the poll. and all we have is whether people are for or against a mosque being erected where they live.

Other sects? other religions?

And all Christians, Catholics, Muslims worship in the same building?

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Unlike most churches?

St Urbans, Headingley, near me.:)

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Sects, as in different paths of the same religion, calling themselves followers of that religion while being different to other groups also calling themselves followers of that same religion.
As an example, Baptists and Methodists each consider themselves christian, but a baptist is not a methodist and vice versa.

The catholics have their own church elsewhere in MK.
The muslims would have a mosque up the road nearer the canal, after knocking down the current church there, and the christians could use the old church in the town where there is plenty of parking, and would bring in more funds to keep the old building in good condition for prosperity.

I suppose we could shut down all churches and insist they all use the cathedral, but as it has no roof, or windows, or walls for that matter, I can't see it being very popular during the winter, or on rainy days. Course I wouldn't mind getting married there.

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I'm having trouble picking it out. all I can see is grass :)

Here's one by me.

Yes you read it right. 25,000. how many cars is that? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghamkol_Shariff_Masjid

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There are plenty why do we need more jeez.

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Gary, that Wiki article seems to make no sense
So it can fit 5,000 people at one time.
The second part, is that saying that during the Eid prayers up to 25,000 people will be catered for, in blocks of 5,000, ie 5 prayers?

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Don't know. but you should see what up to 5,000 people can do to cause havoc on the roads and surrounding area looks like.

you can't move!

What's the biggest capacity a church in a normal residential area will hold?

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Because they want them. I can't think of any other reason.
I can't see why you can't travel to one.

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A building's capacity is determined by things such as fire exits, as my SU found out when they built what turned out to be an extra exit, not fire exit, for their hall, hoping to increase the capacity to 5000, instead they were stuck at 1500 and left with a large bill and no way to increase income to pay it.
Now, while if they'd got in reputable builders and adhered to the regulations they'd have had the capacity of 5000, there's no way you could actually fit 5000 in the hall, maybe half that at a push.
It's like lifts, they'll say "no more than 8 persons" yet you struggle to fit 4 in anyway.
Looking at the satelite photos of the mosque, there's a rather large car park attached to it's grounds.
As to why have centralised mosques, surely that's better and easier to manage than many small mosques scattered throughout residential areas?

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It's probably no bigger than your average Supermarket one. and I was told that some of it doesn't belong to them, but the auto shop.

There's another big one just down the road. then you got the one in Dudley. not too far way.
You'd think they were small now the distance between them all.

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Well, either there is a sufficiently large population of muslims to warrent them, or they're larger than they need to be, in which case they're not running at full capacity and nowhere near the 5000 it can technically hold are actually attending, in either case, so what's the problem?

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I'm just thinking what the problem would be if they were a Tescos with a 5,000 capacity.

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Well, you wouldn't have people objecting because they're not christians and are brown coloured, would you?

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And if they were. what's the problem?

some people have said that's what half the problem is. some have said it's the building of too many of them.
there's all sorts of reasons why you may not want them. a few more than just the because they're not Christians and are brown coloured.

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Last time I checked, Tescos weren't an islamic company, nor run by Asians.
If it were, I would imagine people would object to a Tescos being built in their area on those grounds too. Already people object to cornershops which are run by Asians.

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agreed ,i couldn't give a fig wether they are blue,green or pink nothing to do with it .It's the hassle that comes with it ,the objections from local residents(who usually get ignored) who have to live with the disruption ,the inconsiderate parking because the attached car park was nowhere big enough .Local home owners get slapped with all sorts of restrictions to build extentions, or put a conservatory up the same with local businesses and then a dirty great mosque gets built in the area complete with a minaret that never gets used

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They'd have to be racists for objecting. there's nothing else they're allowed to be.
if you're against something we determine what characteristics stand out. if colour is one. we'll call it racism.

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it's a mistake to assume that everyone who objects to a new mosque is doing so because they are racist .As i have said there are alot of very practical reasons against them which a lot of the time seem to get ignored

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That's why they call it ignorance :)

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I seem to recall a mosque in Oxford being "slapped with all sorts of restrictions" when its owners wanted to have working minarets (you're be happy with the minaret if it wasn't just decorative would you?).
There's a row of shops (Co-op, throatcutters, hair salon, two takeaways) with insufficient parking. Should they have been denied planning permission to convert the houses to businesses because of this, or should the council enforce parking restrictions and punish those who double park blocking the road?

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any building should have sufficient parking attached or in close proximity .If customers of said shops park illegaly then ticket them obviously ,..what's your point ?

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My point is that sufficient parking is not a regulatory requirement for a building to get planning permission.
My parent's whole housing estate does not have sufficient parking. By your logic those houses should not have been given planning permission.
While it would be great if sufficient parking was a prerequisite, it's not.
If patrons of a mosque are parking illegally, then ticket them, if they're not but they're just inconveniencing other drivers slightly, then that's just something to live with.

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actually that's 100% wrong all new commercial premises have to demonstrate they have sufficient parking for any customers wether that is attached to the premises or by virtue of car parks close by that can handle any extra parking brought about by new customers to the area ,they also have to have surveys done (if the expected customer increase is large enough)for increased traffic flow which may or may not result in new road layouts .

the point you made about parking (red highlite) is the point of the thread imo .It is parking that most people worry about .For years the elswick road mosque was a parking problem ,they were granted permission to build a new mosque a couple of hundred yards down the road with attached parking this just compounded the problem as the mosque took about 250 more worshipers than the old one so eventually after complaints from the local residents ,fire brigade and bus companies the council had to put double yellow lines along that stretch of road ,which has moved the problem to the residents who get their drives blocked by overflow parking

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Except a mosque is not a commercial premises.

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here's a photo of the mosque i mentioned ,you will see that the problem of parking accross residents drives has been solved ...they pulled the houses down also the small buissness park has gone (green grass is now a car park)

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Same with the one I know. the cars are double parked in the surrounding streets. blocking drives and blocking traffic getting through.

if you're down there at the time it's absolute mayhem. there's a little island with 7 exits. there's no traffic control. and everyone fights to enter and exit. you see people getting out of cars and arguing and everything! :)

The police can't and won't do anything. but you just know if this wasn't a mosque that was causing these problems something would be done along with loads of traffic offences and fines.

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yes it is ,the same as nursing homes on grainger park road ,wicks superstore stamfordham rd all had to have extensive research into extra parking and road use

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I am sick of seeing mosque, women in burkas and living in my own city not understanding the language that the people stood next to me are talking it has completely changed.
If there is this money going about why not use it for School, hospitals and care homes.
Use it to bring us together not to separate us through race or religion. While we are at it pull down the churches as only hypocrites go there.
If that's raciesum then I am a racist.

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Is that a proposal and, if so, to whom?

:D

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I'd love you to show me the regulations which stipulate that.
For starters, businesses are often not allowed sufficient parking for all of their needs, which would suggest the planning office is regularly in breach of it's own regulations.
The company I worked for in Staines was not allowed to purchase more parking bays after another business nearby went bust, to encourage use of public transport. So that new building we were in was built with insufficient parking bays.

To my knowledge, no public funding goes towards building churches/synagogues/mosques/etc

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...in the state of Washington (that's in the US)

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To be absolutely honest, l am fed up to the back teeth at reading at new mosque's being built, wether it be public money or there own, why can't there be just one built in an area, where traffic will be easy to move and local residents do not have any objections.

I live near Hounslow, and there are two mosgue's within half a mile from each other, there is no need for this, where one is sufficent.

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appologies for the wrong link i had several pages open and gave the wrong one :blush:

here's the right one
http://www.planningni.gov.uk/index/p...-standards.pdf

or this random one from derbishire

http://www.highpeak.gov.uk/planning/.../Appendix1.pdf

this is just to illustrate my point to xaccers that there are requirements for parking

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I have to agree. they are too close to each other. if there's not enough now and they keep getting permission to build them. there's going to be one on every corner (so to speak) soon.

It'll even confuse the tourists. they'll be thinking they went to Baghdad instead of Britain :)

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It illustrates the maximum permissible parking spaces, not minimum.
So when it says 1 parking space per 3 or 5 seats, it does not mean that there must be 1 per 3 or 5, but it means there cannot be more than 1 per 3 or 5.
So depending on the local regulations they might only be allowed a maximum of 1000 car parking spaces to be built.

Would you like to try again?

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Like it or not, agree with them or not, i see more people getting violent and more protests over all these issues,(race, religion,immigration).

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Where these houses subject to compulsory purchase for some reason? Who bought them, the council? Where did the people who lived in the houses go to?

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Here's a few pieces about the traffic problems caused from the mosque being in a residential area.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/12947...e-of-the-west/

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Counci...ing.6134277.jp

http://www.gothamgazette.com/article...0100301/3/3197

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Good point. one which I said earlier. it has to mean something, but it just gets ignored by the powers that be and the ignorants.

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would you like to read it properly

No Specifi c Class‘Sui Generis’

Churches and ChurchHalls

1 space per 3 seats

Churches shall have aminimum of 1 coach space

Minimum of 10 perunit

note the word MINIMUM

it doesn't make sense to apply a Maximum number of parking spaces why would any developer wether building a mosque or a supermarket have more spaces than required

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the mosque is built on the grounds of a small collection of industrial units owned by the L.A and sold to the mosque which caused a lot of controversy at the time with the ocupants of the units as for the houses they where demolished as part of the regeneration program as with scotswood

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minimum of 1 coach space, minimum of 10 cycle bays.
maximum of 1 space per 3 seats.
The reason for this is mentioned earlier in the document where it talks about encouraging the use of other forms of transport.

Look, I'll even quote from the second article you posted to make it clearer ok?

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Churches & Places of Worship – 1 space/5 seats or 5m2 public floor area

Am I working this out wrong? in the case of a 5,000 capacity mosque the maximum parking spaces is 1,000?

what's the minimum?

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So you can see the objection to the building of a mosque in a residential area more clearly now then.

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No. Unless you have allocated parking, your house does not come with a guarenteed parking space outside it.
Often our road will be full of other people's cars, unrelated to the mosque, people are just having parties or something else is going on, and I have to park one of my cars the other side of the road, or around the corner.
We could petition the council to make the road parking for residents only, or permit parking only, as anyone could.

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Everybody else can :)

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Sorry Gary, I expanded on my answer while you were replying.

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The expansion was there I just snipped what looked like political excuses out.

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Anyone who does object can put their reasons forward and attempt to get the plan rejected. It's been done successfully on several occasions.
Of course so far we've heard such great arguments against them as (to paraphrase) "they're so busy they impact on parking, but I don't know why they'd need another one a few miles away"

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They'd just class it as racist probably. unless it was Tescos, then the "they're so busy they impact on parking, but I don't know why they'd need another one a few miles away" would probably have the planning rejected.

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then how have several mosques had their planning rejected if such objections are just dismissed as racist?

http://www.lsjnews.co.uk/2009/10/15/...tion-rejected/

So there you go, a mosque rejected because of its impact on traffic and parking.

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Sorry Xaccers, I expanded on my answer while you were replying.

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So much for the minimum requirement of 0 parking spaces.

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It's easily done.

How do you work that out? It was rejected because the impact on traffic and parking in the area would have on the highway safety and amenities of the residents. No mention of a requirement for a minimum number of parking spaces that must be provided by the mosque.
It goes to show that in the areas where mosques have been built, they don't impact highway safety or the amenities of the residents in an unacceptable way.

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Did they have sufficient parking spaces on the grounds that would have alleviated the impact on the surrounding streets?

How did you work that out? just because it was approved it wasn't all down to safety or ameneties of the existing residents.

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The mosque had no legal requirement to provide parking spaces.

So you're saying that if a planning application breaks one regulation, it can still be approved?
How many planning regulations have to be broken before an application is rejected?
Can you show the regulation which states that number?

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If they did then it might have been approved.

No I'm saying that just because it was approved it wasn't all down to parking and the impact on residents.

Don't know.

What's the number? I'll have a look.

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That would depend.

Nor am I. I said that where the mosques were approved, they don't impact highway safety or the amenities of the residents in an unacceptable way. If they did, they wouldn't have gotten approval would they?
Of course they also adhered to all the other regulations required of them, hence why their planning was approved.

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That would depend, means more than 1.
and if they did then they wouldn't have got the approval, means only 1.

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Just a little query Gary, "if most mosques are built bang in the middle of somewhere where are the mosques that are not built bang in the middle of somewhere built"?
Surely each of us and every building on earth is bang in the middle of "somewhere"? this begs the second question to your as usual rather cryptic post, "why is just being there causing problems"?
Surely its not because of those rather bushy beards some of the men wear...is it?

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Bang in the middle of out the way.

No. it's traffic and distruption. you must have missed all the other posts about it in the rush to mention the bushy beards :)

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But "in the middle of out the way" is "somewhere"

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Yes. out the way somewhere.

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but as has been said, if there would be an unacceptable impact on the safety of the highway in that area, planning permission would have been denied.
if patrons are double parking (which is parking alongside a parked vehicle, blocking the lane of the street, not parking on double yellow lines, for anyone who wasn't sure of the definition) then it's up to the council to enforce the parking restrictions.
if they're not, it's hardly the fault of the patrons now is it?