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frogstamper 04-04-2010 05:01

Eugene Terreblanche is murdered.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8602347.stm

marky 04-04-2010 09:02

Re: Eugene Terreblanche is murdered.
 
Good riddance.

Sirius 04-04-2010 09:13

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Hope he goes straight to hell

Kymmy 04-04-2010 09:21

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You might say good riddance but this might be the start off more violence and even targetted acts of terrorism :( Even the Mandela wasn't stupid enough to get rid of him which under the post apartheid laws he could have done very easily..

This really does worry me as ET had so many followers :(

marky 04-04-2010 09:33

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I think the only violence will be against the other racist biggots that live there.
They tend to see the actual africans as a lower form of life, and treat them as such.

Kymmy 04-04-2010 09:41

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And how many Aficans (mind you they were all born in Africa) will get killed?? You are talking about attacking a deeply entrenched group who have a hell of a lot of firepower.. Do you suggest that the "africans" attack in force???

The goverment itself needs to clean up this mess, they left the group alone to form thier own little so called utopia and it got to a point where ET and his followers formed thier little state within a state instead of the goverment clamping it down purely as they were scared of the consequences..

I'm currently though more worried as to who will fil ET's shoes :( as that could escalate the matter worse

papa smurf 04-04-2010 09:48

Re: Eugene Terreblanche is murdered.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34994246)
You might say good riddance but this might be the start off more violence and even targetted acts of terrorism :( Even the Mandela wasn't stupid enough to get rid of him which under the post apartheid laws he could have done very easily..

This really does worry me as ET had so many followers :(

killing a 69 year old man in his own home ,has just poured petrol on the fire
this isn't going away quietly or unavenged imo .

Kymmy 04-04-2010 09:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34994256)
killing a 69 year old man in his own home ,has just poured petrol on the fire
this isn't going away quietly or unavenged imo .

It's gonna go one of three ways..

1# It's all gonna go quietly away
2# The AWB will retaliate
3# The people who killed ET and thier friends will see at as they can do it to all the AWB members

I hope for the lives of a lot of people that it's #1

marky 04-04-2010 09:59

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My only worry is the world cup, and will the violence start then?
I only just thought of that, there will be a few million from around the world there.

Russ 04-04-2010 10:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34994256)
killing a 69 year old man in his own home

That's how the racist propagander machine will market this, "defenceless elderly man attacked and killed in his home".

papa smurf 04-04-2010 10:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34994262)
That's how the racist propagander machine will market this, "defenceless elderly man attacked and killed in his home".

tbh i have never heard of him before this morning,but what jumps off the page at me is 69 years old and murdered in own home ,so i guess your right his followers will use it to their full advantage.

Sirius 04-04-2010 10:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34994262)
That's how the racist propagander machine will market this, "defenceless elderly man attacked and killed in his home".

Agreed

Maribel 04-04-2010 10:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34994262)
That's how the racist propagander machine will market this, "defenceless elderly man attacked and killed in his home".

He was indeed an elderly man attacked and killed in his home, a terrible crime. You do not hack people to death because they are stupid!

If you look at his photos, his skin colour ain't very white, he should have consulted Michael Jackson's doctors.

Kymmy 04-04-2010 10:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marky (Post 34994261)
My only worry is the world cup, and will the violence start then?
I only just thought of that, there will be a few million from around the world there.

Nope, the AWB and their "boer homeland" is well away from any world cup areas..

Hugh 04-04-2010 10:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 34994274)
He was indeed an elderly man attacked and killed in his home, a terrible crime. You do not hack people to death because they are stupid!

If you look at his photos, his skin colour ain't very white, he should have consulted Michael Jackson's doctors.

Totally agree with you - terrible crime, no matter his odious past.

BBC obituary

Re skin colour - it's a tan.....;)

Kymmy 04-04-2010 11:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34994281)
Re skin colour - it's a tan.....;)

Gawd that brings back memories.. When we emigrated to SA my mother's younger sister a month later sent a letter (she was only young herself) and she believed that the whole family would turn into dark skinned "bantu" (as the term was then in the mid '70's)

South Africa is a beautiful country with a fantastic and amazingly mixed group of people it'd be a shame for an action like this to destroy some of the good work done since the elections in the early 90's..

Ramrod 04-04-2010 11:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34994286)
Gawd that brings back memories.. When we emigrated to SA my mother's younger sister a month later sent a letter (she was only young herself) and she believed that the whole family would turn into dark skinned "bantu"

My grandparents were convinced we were in danger of losing our lives when my parents wrote to them and mentioned we were living in "Bloodriver Avenue" (70's as well) :D

Hugh 04-04-2010 11:17

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Kymmy - when my son came back last year after working on a SA horse ranch/hikers' stop in Drakkensberg for six weeks, he was very, very brown (and that was in their winter).

As you say, let's hope this doesn't kick things off.

Ramrod 04-04-2010 11:33

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I used to live in the Drakensberg. Where was your son?

Kymmy 04-04-2010 11:34

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We lived in Springs (30km east south east of Jo'burg) (typical Vaalie, visiting Durban whenever we could :D:D:D)

Hugh 04-04-2010 12:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 34994299)
I used to live in the Drakensberg. Where was your son?

Khotso, near Underberg - here is where he worked.

Maribel 04-04-2010 12:42

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I work one month or so in Pretoria and one month or so in Stellenbosch....

Not much has changed the last 10 years..

Do you cook or do you have somebody to do it?
Do you clean your house or do you have somebody to do it?
Do you drive or are you driven?
Do you have an electric fence around the house?
Do you use public transport? of course not (that will be fun during the world cup ;) )

I could go on....

This tanned idiot's death will not make any difference.

bopdude 05-04-2010 00:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 34994338)
I work one month or so in Pretoria and one month or so in Stellenbosch....

Not much has changed the last 10 years..

Do you cook or do you have somebody to do it?
Do you clean your house or do you have somebody to do it?
Do you drive or are you driven?
Do you have an electric fence around the house?
Do you use public transport? of course not (that will be fun during the world cup ;) )

I could go on....

This tanned idiot's death will not make any difference.


Mmmmm, not picking on your post above or beyond any of the others for any reason other than it being the last one, i can't see the the relevance of your questions re cooking / driving etc, as for the tanned idiot :dozey:

E.T was the leader, spokesperson and figurehead of a very large 'following' the hardcore members, and that is 99.9% of the AWB were / are fanatical, if you think that this 'idiots' death will not make a difference, think again, I don't know how it will be measured in the count of bodies as not all bodies are found, but there will be revenge killings for this, of that I'm certain.

Paul 05-04-2010 02:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34994262)
That's how the racist propagander machine will market this, "defenceless elderly man attacked and killed in his home".

Is that not what happened then ?

I have never heard of this guy btw.

frogstamper 05-04-2010 06:31

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An ignominious end for a very odious man, as mentioned above nobody deserves this, having said that ET would have met out this sort of punishment to the non-whites in a heartbeat.
Of course this is exactly why this crime should be investigated openly and without prejudice, the last thing South Africa needs is for this hateful man to be held up as some sort of martyr.

bopdude 05-04-2010 13:46

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The AWB have said that revenge will be taken, the extent of this will be decided when they convene on May 1st, the worrying part of this is that they are planning revenge and not 'just' going out and shooting indiscriminately, although I'm sure that that may already have happened, I'm sure that whatever they do plan will be big, involve death to many black South Africans and will set about the AWB's fight for a white only self governing state again.

ashgray 05-04-2010 14:27

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Another good one gone.

Hugh 05-04-2010 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ashgray (Post 34995013)
Another good one gone.

:confused: BBC
Quote:

Terreblanche served six months in prison in 2000 for assaulting a petrol attendant and setting his dog on him.
In 2001, he was jailed for the attempted murder of a farm-worker whom he beat so badly in 1996 that the man was left brain damaged

buckleb 05-04-2010 17:27

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Given the way he seems to have treated his workers, it's hardly surprising that he met the end that he did.

As for revenge killings by the AWB, it's almost a certainty. One can only wonder if they are capable of any organised retaliation though, given their last encounter with the 'blecks', in Bophuthatswana, that left three AWB dead and the organisation reduced to a laughing stock.

bopdude 05-04-2010 20:01

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Originally Posted by buckleb (Post 34995095)
Given the way he seems to have treated his workers, it's hardly surprising that he met the end that he did.

As for revenge killings by the AWB, it's almost a certainty. One can only wonder if they are capable of any organised retaliation though, given their last encounter with the 'blecks', in Bophuthatswana, that left three AWB dead and the organisation reduced to a laughing stock.

I suppose it had to come one day that he would meet a violent death, one way or the other. They are more than capable of organising some sort of revenge, as for their last encounter, it wasn't the black population of Mmbatho that sent them packing but the S.A army, before the army moved in the AWB had Mmabatho locked down with roadblocks set up and anyone that was a) Black b) unlucky enough to be seen c) too slow to move, was shot, pure and simple.

I know because I was there.

budwieser 08-04-2010 20:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buckleb (Post 34995095)
Given the way he seems to have treated his workers, it's hardly surprising that he met the end that he did.

As for revenge killings by the AWB, it's almost a certainty. One can only wonder if they are capable of any organised retaliation though, given their last encounter with the 'blecks', in Bophuthatswana, that left three AWB dead and the organisation reduced to a laughing stock.

" As for revenge killings by the AWB"
Did`nt know that The Average White Band did that sort of thing? :erm::D

papa smurf 08-04-2010 20:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 34997410)
" As for revenge killings by the AWB"
Did`nt know that The Average White Band did that sort of thing? :erm::D

they murdered a few songs in there time

papa smurf 09-04-2010 19:06

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Nazi salutes and swastikas as hundreds gather for funeral of murdered white supremacist Eugene Terreblanche

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0kciiBq0k


full honors at the funeral looks like he was popular .

bopdude 09-04-2010 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34998010)
full honors at the funeral looks like he was popular .


Popular is one way of saying it, to the AWB members and to most of the Boer in South Africa he was more, he had an almost untouchable status, and what he said went, he 'preached' the Boer's interpretation of the Bible as if it were gospel, I've had many a 'lecture' from some of his AWB men on how I should have treat and spoken to the black lads we had working for us. They really believe they have God on their side. And that's the scary part.

Spectato 09-04-2010 20:53

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Not to gloat at the passing of a fellow human being, but as the great Sgt. Major Williams might have said:
"Oh dear... How sad... Never mind!"

Kymmy 10-04-2010 11:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude (Post 34998028)
They really believe they have God on their side. And that's the scary part.

Which is exactly why the original apartheid laws were passed.. :(

bopdude 10-04-2010 11:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34998318)
Which is exactly why the original apartheid laws were passed.. :(


And that was the beginning of the end, every country in the world has racism problems, South Africa gave theirs a name and then some. It is a 'shame' that they can't sort the country out, it could be one of the top 3 places in the world to visit / live. IMHO

Hom3r 12-04-2010 16:52

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The plot thinkens!

SA police investigate sex link to Terreblanche killing


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8615034.stm

Flyboy 13-04-2010 19:04

Re: Eugene Terreblanche is murdered.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 34994274)
He was indeed an elderly man attacked and killed in his home, a terrible crime. You do not hack people to death because they are stupid!

If you look at his photos, his skin colour ain't very white, he should have consulted Michael Jackson's doctors.

Blowing up airports is not just stupid, it is murderous.

Spectato 13-04-2010 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34999860)
The plot thinkens!

SA police investigate sex link to Terreblanche killing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8615034.stm

Plot stinkens more like!
Not that he wasn't already, but that would put him right up there with some of the most utterly wretched examples of humanity, of recent times.

bopdude 13-04-2010 19:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34999860)
The plot thinkens!

SA police investigate sex link to Terreblanche killing


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8615034.stm


No way no how, it's a smear campaign imo, there's no way he would have, it would have been utterly unthinkable to him on a religious ground and from a ..... well, I can't put it in open forum, lets just use our imaginations and the words bargepole touch and wouldn't.

Nope, not buying it for a minute.

Hugh 13-04-2010 21:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude (Post 35000667)
No way no how, it's a smear campaign imo, there's no way he would have, it would have been utterly unthinkable to him on a religious ground and from a ..... well, I can't put it in open forum, lets just use our imaginations and the words bargepole touch and wouldn't.

Nope, not buying it for a minute.

I would have thought the same about adultery and attempted murder, but that didn't stop ET, did it?

bopdude 13-04-2010 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35000733)
I would have thought the same about adultery and attempted murder, but that didn't stop ET, did it?


Mmm, I'll give you those but as for the alleged sexual assault, no way in my book at least.

Flyboy 13-04-2010 21:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude (Post 35000667)
No way no how, it's a smear campaign imo, there's no way he would have, it would have been utterly unthinkable to him on a religious ground and from a ..... well, I can't put it in open forum, lets just use our imaginations and the words bargepole touch and wouldn't.

Nope, not buying it for a minute.

Are you serious? Of course, no one as religious as he would even contemplate sexually abusing a child would they? Why would his religion stop him?

Kymmy 13-04-2010 22:05

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35000763)
Are you serious? Of course, no one as religious as he would even contemplate sexually abusing a child would they? Why would his religion stop him?

You clearly don't know the Afrikaaner/dutch reformed church then ;) One thing I will give their ministers and members is that they say what they mean and mean what they say.. Who else would introduce a whole class of restrictions for specific races all because of a couple of lines in the bible ;)

Flyboy 13-04-2010 22:06

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35000769)
You clearly don't know the Afrikaaner/dutch reformed church then ;) One thing I will give their ministers and members is that they say what they mean and mean what they say.. Who else would introduce a whole class of restrictions for specific races all because of a couple of lines in the bible ;)

That still doesn't prevent them have liking for little boys. Bearing in mind they don't consider Blacks to be anywhere close to human.

bopdude 13-04-2010 22:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35000763)
Are you serious? Of course, no one as religious as he would even contemplate sexually abusing a child would they? Why would his religion stop him?



Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35000771)
That still doesn't prevent them have liking for little boys. Bearing in mind they don't consider Blacks to be anywhere close to human.

And there you go, you got it in one. They ( AWB ) and they're interpretation of the bible is that the Blacks ( I hate the term ) a black person is an abomination,less than a person, this is why I can't see ET or any other hardline AWB having sex with any black person ever.

Flyboy 13-04-2010 23:18

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But this behaviour is far from being sexual. It is about control, which is the AWB's raison d'être.

bopdude 13-04-2010 23:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35000820)
But this behaviour is far from being sexual. It is about control, which is the AWB's raison d'être.

They had far more persuasive ways of control, and being a domineering sex beast wouldn't cross their mind imo.

Hugh 13-04-2010 23:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude (Post 35000824)
They had far more persuasive ways of control, and being a domineering sex beast wouldn't cross their mind imo.

Obviously not read "Mandingo"....;)

bopdude 13-04-2010 23:27

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Nope ;)

Hom3r 13-04-2010 23:48

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I only know about the racesim in South Africa from stories I have been told.

One was my nan's sister, who lived there in the 50-60's (IIRC) as her husband job was there. She said that the blacks were not called blacks but "[mod: derogatory term removed]" (Spelling?), and they were treated like dirt, and certain groups wouldn't think twice about committing a crime against blacks.

The second was an old boss whom left SA because of the treatment that the blacks received.

They both said that this was only commited my a small number, and some of those a had £££'s and could bribe there way out of trouble.

Kymmy 14-04-2010 00:01

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The K word is considered extremely offensive so I've removed it from the above post

It's not term generally used for black people in South Africa instead it's the equivalent of the N word as used in the UK/US for people of african descent..

The term used genericaly was Bantu (which covered over 400 tribes of people who spoke the Bantu language which covered most of southern and central africa) but even that was considered incorrect and in the '70s it's usage was officially removed and instead the term "plural" was used (gawd know's why)

Remember though that the term black in SA only took into account the original bantu people and didn't cover what came to be classified as "coloured" which was most people of mixed race and even covered asian and indian people living there if they had any sub-saharan descent in them (for example the cape-malay mix descendants of the original slaves of the Dutch "Jan" Compagnie (VOC) or the san (bushmen of the cape/kalihari area)

Hom3r 14-04-2010 00:05

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Sorry I didn't realise it was that offensive.

Kymmy 14-04-2010 00:09

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I'll send you the wiki-link in PM concerning the racial usage of the word as I'd rather see someone educated than just be told that it's not suitable

bopdude 14-04-2010 00:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35000841)
and certain groups wouldn't think twice about committing a crime against blacks.


Yep, and although the white man against the black man gets a lot of press coverage ( and in some cases rightly so ) you hear very little of black on black, which in a lot of cases is more predominant, tribal / regional / urban, some of the things they can do to each other isn't far short of animal, when you've seen the after effects of a tyre necklace you wonder how and who could do something like it. Then you have the boys ( teenagers ) murdered for their privates as this goes to make their witch doctors potions. Then of course you have the crimes against the white man, burglaries aren't normally just robberies but involve the women of the house being raped in front of the men, beatings, amputations and murder. It can be and is a violent place but please don't blame it all on one colour.

danielf 14-04-2010 00:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35000857)
The K word is considered extremely offensive so I've removed it from the above post
<snip>

The K word, in Dutch, has lost the racial meaning (and is slightly archaic), but is used to describe an excessively stupid person. It can also be used as a verb meaning to lash out at someone (presumably stemming from the K person being on the receiving end of a torrent of abuse). I can imagine it not going down well in SA. :shocked:

bopdude 14-04-2010 08:53

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Very strange when you heard our boiler maker shouting the word to his labourer both of whom were black, mind you, Sam was one of the good 'uns.

Kymmy 14-04-2010 09:19

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It was actually made illegal to use the word in SA in 1976.. Didn't stop though people like TB and his AWB :(

bopdude 14-04-2010 09:38

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35000934)
It was actually made illegal to use the word in SA in 1976.. Didn't stop though people like TB and his AWB :(


It went deeper than that, it was used as an everyday, almost slang word for the black population by just about all walks of life that I came across, only between whites though, never to their faces.

Kymmy 14-04-2010 09:42

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Yep, I lived there at the time of the banning..... I was only young but I remember it's usage and the reaction to the banning

Flyboy 14-04-2010 12:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude (Post 35000927)
Very strange when you heard our boiler maker shouting the word to his labourer both of whom were black, mind you, Sam was one of the good 'uns.

In what respect?

bopdude 14-04-2010 13:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35001012)
In what respect?

Outlook, attitude, manor, a proper member of society, good sense of humour to boot, just an all round good bloke.


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