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richard1960 02-04-2010 13:53

Sky sports red button
 
I see sky are up to their old tricks again,i pay a lot of money as does anyone with sky sports i subscribe primerily for the cricket coverage the football being a bonus,i like to watch my team essex play,what have sky done well some of the first 40 over matches of the new season including the essex one are on via the red button only.:mad:

True on the main sky sports two channel they will be showing the world 20/20cup, so have put domestic cricket on the red button interactive after starting it for an hour on sky sports two. Our money is as good as sky sports own customers it really needs something doing about it.

Its only the fact i cannot get sky that stops me form switching tv services,what was that, that jeremy darroch said this week about the consumer being well served.:mad:

Robbie G 02-04-2010 14:36

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It is annoying that we pay the same-ish as Sky customers for a significantly poorer service. It may never be resolved though, Sky and VM are separate and distinct at the end of the day. Whilst it's hard for VM customers, robbing Sky of all their USPs seems to fly in the face of capitalism.

richard1960 02-04-2010 14:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie G (Post 34993165)
It is annoying that we pay the same-ish as Sky customers for a significantly poorer service. It may never be resolved though, Sky and VM are separate and distinct at the end of the day. Whilst it's hard for VM customers, robbing Sky of all their USPs seems to fly in the face of capitalism.

Yes captialism can be a good thing providing innovation and investment,but that does not help anyone paying the same price as skys own customers for a much poorer service that seems to fly in the face of fairness,particularly when you are not able to switch providers to benefit.

What is the point of subscribing to see one team or the other and finding it on sky sports red button service, might as well junk the subscription and save the cash.Although i do not think the sporting bodies have thought of that.

It may of course never be resolved you are correct time to ditch sky sports methinks and listen to essex coverage via essex radio i will be squids in.

Jeremy Darroch can poke his sports channels where the sun does not shine.

Robbie G 02-04-2010 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 34993175)
Yes captialism can be a good thing providing innovation and investment,but that does not help anyone paying the same price as skys own customers for a much poorer service that seems to fly in the face of fairness

I agree, but since when was life fair?

I think fairness in the context of consumerism is a hinderance to a free market, not an enhancement of it.

richard1960 02-04-2010 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie G (Post 34993212)
I agree, but since when was life fair?

I think fairness in the context of consumerism is a hinderance to a free market, not an enhancement of it.

I think you and i will both have to disagree!

I have now cancelled my sky sports sub and excercised my ultimate right as a consumer ie to not pay for an inferior service instead i will watch the cricket highlights package on channel five in the summer,listen to england matches in radio five live sports extra and county cricket live on radio essex without paying sky a penny.

Its just not worth the hassle of paying for something i am thinking i am getting ie comprehensive cricket coverage to find out i am not.:(

RamJet 02-04-2010 16:43

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I've sadly had the same problem since I signed up with VM

I'm not going to ditch Sky Sports on VM - Media Boy had a flash on his thread that Sky & VM were in discussion about red button sports channels being enablated - hopefully soon !

I'm going to keep pressing that red button until they listen and it begins to work >>>

martyh 02-04-2010 17:53

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the thing is though the red button feature on sky sports is meant as a selling point ,it gives sky customers an advantage over other providers ,in other words if you want the red button feature then buy sky

richard1960 02-04-2010 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34993314)
the thing is though the red button feature on sky sports is meant as a selling point ,it gives sky customers an advantage over other providers ,in other words if you want the red button feature then buy sky

As already explained on here i CANNOT get sky,so therefore cannot buy it! as much as i would like to.! perhaps jeremy darroch could get me an installation. Unique selling points are all very well but vms subs are the same as skys for sky sports. Before any other smart alec suggests switching.

So i would expect to be able to get accesss to what i deem to have paid for.

martyh 02-04-2010 18:19

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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 34993326)
As already explained on here i CANNOT get sky,so therefore cannot buy it! as much as i would like to.! perhaps jeremy darroch could get me an installation. Unique selling points are all very well but vms subs are the same as skys for sky sports.

So i would expect to be able to get acces to what i deem to have paid for.

out of interest why can't you get sky , i do take your by the way ,it's just the way buisness operates ,if i was that bothered about sports i would probably be miffed aswell as i am a stickler for getting what i pay for ;)

richard1960 02-04-2010 18:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34993330)
out of interest why can't you get sky , i do take your by the way ,it's just the way buisness operates ,if i was that bothered about sports i would probably be miffed aswell as i am a stickler for getting what i pay for ;)

Hi i am in a flat and sky did try an install once i took three days off work at one stage three different people turned up on different days (had to keep on re-booking) result still no dish all three sky installers said i would need a pole for the dish to be sitting on,and asked me to have a fourth appointment after taking a previous three days off work i gave up.:erm:

And what annoys me most is i pay or rather did pay £20 a month for ss on vm i have little interest in football so just for cricket that was/is a lot and the key to my subscription of content is under red button.

But there you go i have now saved the cash and will rely on highlights on channel 5 and radio coverage for my sport,that is though part of the danger of sporting bodies going only the pay tv way on all platforms key content may be lost,or if you are on bt vison top up tv that content may not be at the moment available to you at all.:shocked:

RamJet 03-04-2010 14:05

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This is where 50 years of so-called consumer protection means nothing at all, zero, nil, zilch, rien

what happened to all those fair carriage provisions for cable viewers ? ?

the Red Button is part of the channel & flat owners and all of us should get it as being part of the deal

if one accepted the other argument that would mean that Sky could - say transmit only the Right Hand Side of the screen and still charge the full rate via VM ie choose not to supply some part of the channel at their miserable whim

bring on those politicians asking for my Vote - I will be extracting a binding undertakuing from each of them to bring in Legislation to protect flat owners from Red Button withdrawal as the price of my Vote

neilo 03-04-2010 16:44

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I think Ofcom have forced Sky to offer red button on Sky Sports 1 and 2 whenever their recent report on Pay TV kicks in.

So when that happens, no doubt your cricket will be on the interactive services on Sky Sports 3 or 4.

sakiblateef 03-04-2010 18:16

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I just subscribed to sky for this very reason. I'm looking forward to the up coming twenty 20 world cup at the end of this month and I don't want the hassle of missing matches due to them sticking it on the red button like they did last year to a few matches.

Also I'm paying a lot less than I would on VM for them with the added advantage of HD. :)

RamJet 05-04-2010 19:24

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i'm going to keep on pressing the red button til they listen and enablate for the Cricket Sports channels

OR why why can't ITV 4 make a counterbid for the domestic cricket Tests and ODIs and T20 fixtures and show it on freeview - they've made a great fist of the IPL cricket

then we can use their red button - they won't be miserable like the Sky lot

sakiblateef 06-04-2010 16:34

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The BBC should be showing majority of the Cricket fixtures including the world cup tournaments. After all we do pay a license fee to view those channels and what they currently show on their channels do not justify the cost of the license fee which keeps rising every year. :mad:

KenK 06-04-2010 21:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 34995215)
OR why why can't ITV 4 make a counterbid for the domestic cricket Tests and ODIs and T20 fixtures and show it on freeview - they've made a great fist of the IPL cricket

They can't afford it.

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Originally Posted by sakiblateef (Post 34995697)
The BBC should be showing majority of the Cricket fixtures including the world cup tournaments. After all we do pay a license fee ...

They can't afford it. The license fee is not there just to pay for cricket coverage, it's got a whole empire of Managers and Consultants and on-air Talent to support.

RamJet 07-04-2010 08:06

Re: Sky sports red button - doesn't work on Sky News Multiscreen either
 
This Red Button story is getting worse

I've just tried to get Sky News Multiscreen & no matter how hard I press the Red Button - No multiscreen shows up :-((

what is going on ?

there's an election on after all - why can't they enable Red Button on Sky News for the election at least

---------- Post added at 08:06 ---------- Previous post was at 07:59 ----------

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Originally Posted by KenK (Post 34995905)
They can't afford it.

They can't afford it. The license fee is not there just to pay for cricket coverage, it's got a whole empire of Managers and Consultants and on-air Talent to support.

I don't follow this - "They Can't Afford It" !!!!

but they CAN afford vaste unbelievable salaries for talking heads - armies of BBC presenters receive £££££££ - what was Jonathan Ross on - over a £million a year ? ?

Is that a good use of Licence payers money ????

why not just get some new talent in at normal salaries - like we all get - and then use the 10s of £millions freed up to show the programmes we all want - such as free-to-air Cricket

KenK 07-04-2010 22:19

Re: Sky sports red button - doesn't work on Sky News Multiscreen either
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 34996096)
This Red Button story is getting worse

I've just tried to get Sky News Multiscreen & no matter how hard I press the Red Button - No multiscreen shows up :-((

what is going on ?

there's an election on after all - why can't they enable Red Button on Sky News for the election at least

Did anyone say it would show up? It's not as simple as VM enabling it. First they have to agree a price with Sky to allow them to do so; and if Sky don't want to sell it, there's nothing VM can do about it.
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Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 34996096)
I don't follow this - "They Can't Afford It" !!!!

but they CAN afford vaste unbelievable salaries for talking heads - armies of BBC presenters receive £££££££ - what was Jonathan Ross on - over a £million a year ? ?

Is that a good use of Licence payers money ????

why not just get some new talent in at normal salaries - like we all get - and then use the 10s of £millions freed up to show the programmes we all want - such as free-to-air Cricket

What's not to follow? Sports coverage is available to whoever offers the most money, and ITV4 and BBC can't get near Sky's offer. Not everyone would agree that sacking the entire BBC and turning the channels over to Cricket coverage would be a good thing - some even like JR, and may even think he's worth the money:rolleyes: "Talent" won't bother showing up for the salary levels we get - nor would you, if you could get a better deal elsewhere.

Anyway, even 10s of £millions would only pay for a couple of day's worth of sports coverage, and I presume you'd want more than that.

PS I bet the armies of talking heads on Sky News multiscreen receive £££££££ as well.

sakiblateef 07-04-2010 23:36

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The BBC did once upon a time show at least the main cricket world cup tournament. If they can show the football world cup they have no excuse not to show the Cricket world cup.

Since we pay this TV tax to the BBC we are entitled to watch the programs we want.

beeman 08-04-2010 00:08

Re: Sky sports red button
 
the BBC get the football worldcup because its a "protected event" meaning it HAS to bee broadcast on free-to-air TV. You can bet if it wasnt protected $ky would have snapped it up ages ago.

If you think the cricket worldcup should also bee protected then i suggest you petition your local MP and maby contact OFCOM to make the suggestion....

richard1960 08-04-2010 09:12

Re: Sky sports red button
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beeman (Post 34996864)
the BBC get the football worldcup because its a "protected event" meaning it HAS to bee broadcast on free-to-air TV. You can bet if it wasnt protected $ky would have snapped it up ages ago.

If you think the cricket worldcup should also bee protected then i suggest you petition your local MP and maby contact OFCOM to make the suggestion....

Hm this thread seems to be going off topic LOL;) the main point of it was to suggest that as vm customers pay the full wack for sky sports,the full content should be available not from the BBC but from sky sports itself.

Cricket i used as an example as i used to sub to sky sports only for the cricket,nothing else the red button issue is a big for me as for my old sub of £20 monthly i should have comprehensive coverage,which thanks to skys use of the red button i find out i have not,and i cannot get sky direct so cannot change suppliers!

Now i have dropped sky sports and will use radio and highlights on channel 5 in the summer,and sky will get not one penny more from me either for sports or basic channels as i have dropped to the M tv package,greedy sky can do one.

gers 22-02-2011 21:43

Re: Sky sports red button
 
The red button is coming to sky sports for vm customers in april

Hugh 22-02-2011 22:10

Re: Sky sports red button
 
Can you substantiate that rumour?

gers 22-02-2011 23:31

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I received this as part of an email from a friend who received it from virgin media "However, Virgin Media customers who subscribe to Sky Sports will be heartened by the fact that the cable company hinted that the Sky Sports red button services will be launching on the platform "soon.""

Hope this answers your question

RamJet 24-02-2011 22:47

Re: Sky sports red button
 
I am not following this at all

currently I have on my TV the Highlights of the South Africa v WI Cricket World Cup match

It's not on Sky - it's on the BBC RED BUTTON ! ! ? ? ?

If the BBC have a Red Button that works - why have we been told for months and months that the 'software code ' has to be written to get the Sky one to work

surely if the BBC one works happliy on Highlights the software must be in the V+ box & we could have seen the 2 recent Cricket World Cup matches that started on the Sky Sports Reb Button

Digital Fanatic 24-02-2011 22:52

Re: Sky sports red button
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RamJet (Post 35181667)
I am not following this at all

currently I have on my TV the Highlights of the South Africa v WI Cricket World Cup match

It's not on Sky - it's on the BBC RED BUTTON ! ! ? ? ?

If the BBC have a Red Button that works - why have we been told for months and months that the 'software code ' has to be written to get the Sky one to work

surely if the BBC one works happliy on Highlights the software must be in the V+ box & we could have seen the 2 recent Cricket World Cup matches that started on the Sky Sports Reb Button

I take it you've never used Sky Sports Red Button on Sky? It's much more than a video stream, believe me!

pythagoras 24-02-2011 23:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35180222)
Can you substantiate that rumour?

I can, this is a non confidential portion of an email to me from an executive director of VM, with Neil Berkett copied in:

"Dear Mr Wilkinson

Thank you for your email. I apologise for the delay in getting back to you.

We have also announced that we will be adding 'red button' interactivity on the Sky Sports channels. That should come by April."

regards

John.

gers 24-02-2011 23:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35181703)
I can, this is a non confidential portion of an email to me from an executive director of VM, with Neil Berkett copied in:

"Dear Mr Wilkinson

Thank you for your email. I apologise for the delay in getting back to you.

We have also announced that we will be adding 'red button' interactivity on the Sky Sports channels. That should come by April."

regards

John.

I confirmed this the other night

pythagoras 24-02-2011 23:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gers (Post 35181719)
I confirmed this the other night

Not really, your quote says soon. That isnt the same as April.

regards

John

buba3d 25-02-2011 04:00

Re: Sky sports red button
 
i doubt very much we'll get the whole red button shebang, we will get the video streams though just not the interactive content because lets face using interactive on any vm box is painfully slow.

i remember when vm introduced the red button on bbc just before the european championships in 2004, if you wanted to watch the other game via red button, press it and it would take a half a year to load. (felt like it to me)

atlas15 25-02-2011 13:03

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Let,s hope it,s not as slow as the big red button for the bbc.


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