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Gary L 01-04-2010 21:20
NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
The group, led by butcher Darren Duvall, conspired to defraud thousands of pounds in insurance claims from Allianz Cornhill, Liverpool Crown Court was told.
Duvall sought out workers at cable TV company NTL, now part of Virgin Media, and convinced them to pretend they had crashed their company cars into another vehicle which was packed with passengers.
Once the NTL employee had accepted responsibility for the collision, the "victims" were to claim the cash and split the compensation.
But insurance fraud investigators were quickly alerted to the scam and established the car crashes never actually took place. Damage to vehicles was faked and the injured passengers were coached in what to tell medics and lawyers.
http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/ne...cash_for_crash

Hugh 02-04-2010 10:34
re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Shouldn't the thread header be "NTL staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam?

The events occurred in 2005, and Virgin Media was launched in February 2007.

Liverpool Echo
Quote:
Inquiries quickly revealed very similar accidents had all occurred over a short period in 2005 and in a small area.

Gary L 02-04-2010 10:36
re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
NTL is Virgin Media. only the name has changed.

Hugh 02-04-2010 11:36
re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Yes, it is now, but the incidents happened before Virgin Media existed, so how could they be Virgin Media staff?

(and if you read page three of the Liverpool Post article, you would find some of the people found guility were ex-NTL staff).

Gary L 02-04-2010 11:48
re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
They're not known as NTL anymore. NTL isn't relevant when it's a news story about Virgin Media.
they're Virgin Media staff still whichever way you look at it. just like if your name was nobby 2 years ago and I was talking about you now. I'd talk about you using the name you're using now.

it's my thread and it stays as Virgin Media :D

Hugh 02-04-2010 12:01
re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Whatever, dude

superbiatch 02-04-2010 12:03
re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
How embarassing, I know a few of them :rolleyes:

They got what they deserve, hopefully my car insurance premiums might be cheaper in the future if more of these *******s are jailed :mad:

Paul 02-04-2010 12:07
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Title changed, move to current affairs. This has nothing directly to do with VM.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34993108)
it's my thread and it stays as Virgin Media :D
Wrong.

papa smurf 02-04-2010 13:19
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
well thats pretty unbelievable
my experience of ntl/vm staff is there all top notch pillars of society who do a darn good job .

must have scraped the bottom of the barrel when this lot were recruited.

martyh 02-04-2010 13:44
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
this type of insurance scam has been going on for years .A taxi driver friend of mine was caught up in a similar scam where his punter was in partnership with another who drove in front of the taxi deliberately caused the taxi to crash into the back of him by breaking sharply thus "injuring" the driver of the first car and passenger of the taxi insurance claims where made on the taxi drivers insurance and proceeds split ,a thoroughly nasty and dangerous scam

on the subject of the thread title i think it is slightly slanderous to VM staff to include VM in the title in any way ,they weren't VM employees at the time and this has nothing to do with VM staff

Peter_ 02-04-2010 14:24
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34993108)
They're not known as NTL anymore. NTL isn't relevant when it's a news story about Virgin Media.
they're Virgin Media staff still whichever way you look at it. just like if your name was nobby 2 years ago and I was talking about you now. I'd talk about you using the name you're using now.

it's my thread and it stays as Virgin Media :D
You may have noticed that your original title was changed after I reported it.

I also thought that it should not say anything about them being Virginmedia staff because they were not they were all NTL employees as it states in every single article about that case.

But the real reason you opened the thread with its original title was to make people think it was another type of scam involving Virginmedia staff until they clicked the link.

Those people were rightfully prosecuted because scams such as this increase my insurance premiums.

You will find that some people will just use this as another reason to say things about members of staff and that we are all tarred with the same brush, but that is exactly what you wanted to happen.

We the Virginmedia Staff that offer help on here find that when people post threads such as this intentionally to mislead people then begin to wonder why do we bother any more.

Kellargh 02-04-2010 14:42
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
I've lost any et all respect for you Gary L. That is all I have to say.

Ignitionnet 02-04-2010 15:12
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
The indignation from VM employees at being associated with ntl amuses me, given the very public history.

People and VM staff may not like what they did but you can't simply pretend that every employee of ntl and Telewest suddenly became a paragon of virtue when they were given a red uniform, don't be so sensitive guys it's pretty thin-skinned and a little weird to be so offended by such things. These guys had they not been caught would be working for VM now most likely.

They're a cable company, they are a cold blooded profit making machine that couldn't give two hoots about most of their employees, they pay your salary, or in the case of the Swansea guys they pay IBM to pay your salaries, nothing more.

Matty_ 02-04-2010 15:14
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
This is similar to that one reported a bit ago when that guy was disconnecting the brake lights and was getting people to crash into the back of him (in other people`s cars). That place was only 2 minutes from where i live and after it was reported i recalled clocking several "incidents" there.
Lets hope the more they catch these crooks the cheaper our insurance will be, can`t see it though mine`s just gone up from £460 to £516, Robbing gits!

papa smurf 02-04-2010 15:29
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
lets not shoot the messenger

i work for vm and i don't feel offended by Garry L, its only a topic up for discussion .

joglynne 02-04-2010 15:31
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
The fact that these guys were NTL employees is, IMHO, totally irrelevant as they would have done the same thing no mater who they had been employed by. They would just have used any vehicle that they happened to have had handy.

I'm sorry Garry but you have just posted one too many of this type of thread/post for me to bother reading your posts in future. :(

Gary L 02-04-2010 15:42
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Oh dear. I don't know what to say. I think I might go and kill myself.

TheDaddy 02-04-2010 15:55
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34993254)
Oh dear. I don't know what to say. I think I might go and kill myself.
No need Papa Smurf has already requested that we shoot the messenger, so a firing squad is being assembled as we speak, trouble is there was no shortage of volunteers so we are having to draw straws for it, usually it's the other way round and we have to force people to do it but hey ho. Just a couple of questions though will you be avaliable at dawn and will you require things like blindfolds and last requests, I cancelled the priest btw, given your previous posts didn't think it really appropriate.

papa smurf 02-04-2010 15:57
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34993266)
No need Papa Smurf has already requested that we shoot the messenger, so a firing squad is being assembled as we speak, trouble is there was no shortage of volunteers so we are having to draw straws for it, usually it's the other way round and we have to force people to do it but hey ho. Just a couple of questions though will you be avaliable at dawn and will you require things like blindfolds and last requests, I cancelled the priest btw, given your previous posts didn't think it really appropriate.
oh no he didn't.

TheDaddy 02-04-2010 16:02
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34993267)
oh no he didn't.
Yes he did kicks papa in the shin

papa smurf 02-04-2010 16:04
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34993273)
Yes he did kicks papa in the shin
oh yes i remember now
out with his giblets :D

Sirius 02-04-2010 16:13
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 34993129)
Title changed, move to current affairs. This has nothing directly to do with VM.

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Wrong.

:clap:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34993254)
Oh dear. I don't know what to say. I think I might go and kill myself.
:)

---------- Post added at 17:13 ---------- Previous post was at 17:11 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34993266)
No need Papa Smurf has already requested that we shoot the messenger, so a firing squad is being assembled as we speak, trouble is there was no shortage of volunteers so we are having to draw straws for it, usually it's the other way round and we have to force people to do it but hey ho. Just a couple of questions though will you be avaliable at dawn and will you require things like blindfolds and last requests, I cancelled the priest btw, given your previous posts didn't think it really appropriate.
Can i buy my way in to the squad :D

Jon T 02-04-2010 16:30
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Problem is your way of implying that NTL/VM, or whatever you want to call them(it doesn't matter), were in some way linked to this as a company. In all fairness this is, in all likelyhood not true.

A number of NTL/VM employees just happened to be involved in the scam. But that's quite easily explained by what I shall call the "Dave-Steve" theory: Dave and Steve both work at NTL/VM, Dave get's to know about this via another theory that i'll call "the bloke in the pub", Dave then tells Steve, he also tells a whole load more Steve's, some of them that for NTL/VM, some of them don't. The original Steve also does the same.

Point being, who they work for is immaterial, it's the fact that people who work together will talk about stuff other than work, including things that may not be above board. The employer can't exactly control that!

martyh 02-04-2010 16:57
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34993299)
Problem is your way of implying that NTL/VM, or whatever you want to call them(it doesn't matter), were in some way linked to this as a company. In all fairness this is, in all likelyhood not true.

A number of NTL/VM employees just happened to be involved in the scam. But that's quite easily explained by what I shall call the "Dave-Steve" theory: Dave and Steve both work at NTL/VM, Dave get's to know about this via another theory that i'll call "the bloke in the pub", Dave then tells Steve, he also tells a whole load more Steve's, some of them that for NTL/VM, some of them don't. The original Steve also does the same.

Point being, who they work for is immaterial, it's the fact that people who work together will talk about stuff other than work, including things that may not be above board. The employer can't exactly control that!

good point ,no need to bring vm or ntl into the discussion imo after all we don't here about the employer every time someone commits a crime

papa smurf 02-04-2010 17:27
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34993317)
good point ,no need to bring vm or ntl into the discussion imo after all we don't here about the employer every time someone commits a crime
its on the vm website so they brought themselves into it

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/ne...cash_for_crash

Gary L 02-04-2010 17:28
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
That's just being silly saying that we don't need to know who they work for.

or is it that we don't want to hear that they work for VM when it's a crime, but we don't mind hearing that they work for VM if they saved granny or something?

it's a VM forum. of course if there's a story out there that involves employees we'll both post and read them here probably. either in the news or current affairs section.

Escapee 02-04-2010 17:59
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34993299)
Problem is your way of implying that NTL/VM, or whatever you want to call them(it doesn't matter), were in some way linked to this as a company. In all fairness this is, in all likelyhood not true.

A number of NTL/VM employees just happened to be involved in the scam. But that's quite easily explained by what I shall call the "Dave-Steve" theory: Dave and Steve both work at NTL/VM, Dave get's to know about this via another theory that i'll call "the bloke in the pub", Dave then tells Steve, he also tells a whole load more Steve's, some of them that for NTL/VM, some of them don't. The original Steve also does the same.

Point being, who they work for is immaterial, it's the fact that people who work together will talk about stuff other than work, including things that may not be above board. The employer can't exactly control that!
The article says they crashed their company cars into other vehicles, so ntl/VM whoever their employer was at the time is involved. (Or were these guys contractors)

Peter_ 02-04-2010 18:27
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34993337)
its on the vm website so they brought themselves into it

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/ne...cash_for_crash
It is on many more websites and they all state that they were NTL staff at the time which was well before Virginmedia even existed click here to view them

I personally did not like the way it was insidiously posted as a side swipe at Virginmedia staff who had nothing whatsoever to do with this crime.

As we can now see from the majority of posters this thread did not go the way that Gary hoped and intended it to go, and for that I applaud those posters.

Raistlin 02-04-2010 18:28
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Ok ... enough now please ...

How about we discuss the story rather than any particular individual's motives for posting it.

Peter_ 02-04-2010 18:29
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34993365)
The article says they crashed their company cars into other vehicles, so ntl/VM whoever their employer was at the time is involved. (Or were these guys contractors)
They were NTL not Virginmedia staff and as I said above Gary wanted a diifferent reaction than he has received as this did not follow the route he expected.

Gary L 02-04-2010 18:32
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34993385)
As we can now see from the majority of posters this thread did not go the way that Gary hoped and intended it to go, and for that I applaud those posters.

The title was VM staff involved. I could have put 'Some but not all and only some of the drivers and not any support or customer service staff'

I suggest some people get a grip. People are getting upset over something so silly.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34993389)
They were NTL not Virginmedia staff and as I said above Gary wanted a diifferent reaction than he has received as this did not follow the route he expected.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Peter_ 02-04-2010 18:38
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34993395)
The title was VM staff involved. I could have put 'Some but not all and only some of the drivers and not any support or customer service staff'

I suggest some people get a grip. People are getting upset over something so silly.
You started a thread which failed to get the reaction you expected going by the majority of replies.;)

Raistlin 02-04-2010 18:39
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Again, but this time more shouty.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob M (Post 34993387)
Ok ... enough now please ...

How about we discuss the story rather than any particular individual's motives for posting it.

Escapee 02-04-2010 18:41
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34993389)
They were NTL not Virginmedia staff and as I said above Gary wanted a diifferent reaction than he has received as this did not follow the route he expected.
I'm an ex ntl employee, but there is no need to take matters personally.

The focus if anything should be on ntl employing staff who were less than honest and the way potential employees are vetted, if these employees had not been caught I expect they would be in their same jobs but with an with a virgin label on their overalls instead of an ntl one.

I don't know what these guys jobs were at ntl, but there were always some unscrupulous employees that tended to be in certain job roles. I doubt very much that simply changing the name from ntl to Virgin will stop the company employing people that turn out to be dodgy. Some roles in the company are often difficult to fill, and in some cases tend to attract less than honest employees.

Peter_ 02-04-2010 18:45
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
It is OK Rob as this thread has now had the reaction I would have expected from the majority of posters that replied so I am satisfied with that.;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34993403)
I'm an ex ntl employee, but there is no need to take matters personally.
Never took it personal as I am not NTL but Telewest so at the time a different company.;)

Ben B 02-04-2010 18:46
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Well back on the topic of the thread, it just shows, insurance fraud, don't do it. You WILL get caught.

Escapee 02-04-2010 18:48
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34993404)
It is OK Rob as this thread has now had the reaction I would have expected from the majority of posters that replied so I am satisfied with that.;)

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Never took it personal as I am not NTL but Telewest so at the time a different company.;)
That's even more confusing, so it happened after the ntl - Telewest merger but before the name change to Virgin Media:confused:;)

Peter_ 02-04-2010 19:13
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34993414)
That's even more confusing, so it happened after the ntl - Telewest merger but before the name change to Virgin Media:confused:;)
It happened in 2005 and only involved NTL staff.

Quote:
Allianz insurance assessors noticed a rapid increase in collisions involving NTL vehicles based at Birkenhead, Wirral, and Wythenshawe, Manchester.At least five faked crashes all took place within three months in mid-2005

Maribel 02-04-2010 19:22
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 34993129)
Title changed, move to current affairs. This has nothing directly to do with VM.

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Wrong.
Draconian. Period.

Craig Jones was an angel in comparison. Lighten up boys.

Miss Ntl
(Russell Winder was banned by Mick).

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34993240)
lets not shoot the messenger

i work for vm and i don't feel offended by Garry L, its only a topic up for discussion .
:tu::tu::tu:

Escapee 02-04-2010 20:28
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34993430)
It happened in 2005 and only involved NTL staff.
Ah, So they were probably CWC employees.;)

Hugh 02-04-2010 21:13
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34993498)
Ah, So they were probably CWC employees.;)
Or their predecessor (can't remember if it was PacTel or Bell Cablemedia) ;)

Ben B 02-04-2010 21:16
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34993498)
Ah, So they were probably CWC employees.;)
Not necessarily, not all of Ex-NTL was Ex-C&W ;)

Maribel 02-04-2010 21:26
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34993534)
Or their predecessor (can't remember if it was PacTel or Bell Cablemedia) ;)
And your point is to blame Pactel, Vomit Media or is it yet any other pedantic, orthogonal, out of space argument?

I hope you enjoy your 1836 Petrus.:rolleyes:

And hello Kevin :) long time no hear.Nice to see you back

Hugh 03-04-2010 10:02
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 34993550)
And your point is to blame Pactel, Vomit Media or is it yet any other pedantic, orthogonal, out of space argument?

I hope you enjoy your 1836 Petrus.:rolleyes:

And hello Kevin :) long time no hear.Nice to see you back
Parvenu ;) - we have champagne with our kedgeree.

Haven't you laid down some of the 1998 and the 2005? :D

zing_deleted 03-04-2010 10:11
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 34993218)
The indignation from VM employees at being associated with ntl amuses me, given the very public history.

People and VM staff may not like what they did but you can't simply pretend that every employee of ntl and Telewest suddenly became a paragon of virtue when they were given a red uniform, don't be so sensitive guys it's pretty thin-skinned and a little weird to be so offended by such things. These guys had they not been caught would be working for VM now most likely.

They're a cable company, they are a cold blooded profit making machine that couldn't give two hoots about most of their employees, they pay your salary, or in the case of the Swansea guys they pay IBM to pay your salaries, nothing more.
As ive said before ive witnessed VM staff installing dodgy boxes

I am glad the case in the OP got sussed as it is dangerous and innocents could have been harmed

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben B (Post 34993410)
Well back on the topic of the thread, it just shows, insurance fraud, don't do it. You WILL get caught.
you might get caught and you are more likely to get caught if its part of a larger scam

It wouldnt take a genious to suss a load of these cases all similar all of a sudden in and around the same area really lol

Thick as Thieves I say lol

arcamalpha2004 04-04-2010 09:33
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34993195)
You may have noticed that your original title was changed after I reported it.

I also thought that it should not say anything about them being Virginmedia staff because they were not they were all NTL employees as it states in every single article about that case.

But the real reason you opened the thread with its original title was to make people think it was another type of scam involving Virginmedia staff until they clicked the link.

Those people were rightfully prosecuted because scams such as this increase my insurance premiums.

You will find that some people will just use this as another reason to say things about members of staff and that we are all tarred with the same brush, but that is exactly what you wanted to happen.

We the Virginmedia Staff that offer help on here find that when people post threads such as this intentionally to mislead people then begin to wonder why do we bother any more.
Moldova, you do not need to offer help to anyone, this is apparently a forum that has nothing to do with Virgin Media, Correct?
So dont get uppety when people still know that the bare bones of Virgin Media is still NTL.
What's the issue?
There will still be former NTL staff working for Virgin Media.
Paranoia of the highest order me thinks Moldova.

Sirius 04-04-2010 10:23
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34994298)
Moldova, you do not need to offer help to anyone, this is apparently a forum that has nothing to do with Virgin Media, Correct?
So dont get uppety when people still know that the bare bones of Virgin Media is still NTL.
What's the issue?
There will still be former NTL staff working for Virgin Media.
Paranoia of the highest order me thinks Moldova.
So would you find it better if staff did not offer that help because the name is different ?

Gary L 04-04-2010 10:43
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34994325)
So would you find it better if staff did not offer that help because the name is different ?
I think it's more to do with the paranoia of we the Virginmedia Staff that offer help on here find that when people post threads such as this intentionally to mislead people then begin to wonder why do we bother any more. :)

Peter_ 04-04-2010 10:47
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34994298)
Moldova, you do not need to offer help to anyone, this is apparently a forum that has nothing to do with Virgin Media, Correct?
So dont get uppety when people still know that the bare bones of Virgin Media is still NTL.
What's the issue?
There will still be former NTL staff working for Virgin Media.
Paranoia of the highest order me thinks Moldova.
Not in the least bit paranoid I just dislike certain people posting threads with an agenda in mind, also be aware that this was not the original title as I reported it on first viewing due to the wording.

The have been many threads started by the OP all with agendas in the hope of getting a reaction, but in this case the majority of posters in this thread have answered in a negative vein against the OP.

I also did not find it surprising that he could not face up to that criticism.

As I have said previously in this thread I have never worked for NTL so those people have nothing to do with me, plus the fact that the original offences were commited in 2005 well before any merger and change of name.


Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34994298)
So dont get uppety when people still know that the bare bones of Virgin Media is still NTL.
This quote above is quite wrong as Virginmedia is an amalgamation of 2 distinctly different companies, one being NTL and the other being Telewest and both companies operated on 2 distinctly different platforms, so try not to make sweeping statements about something you obviously have no idea about.;)

Gary L 04-04-2010 10:53
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34994340)
Not in the least bit paranoid I just dislike certain people posting threads with an agenda in mind, also be aware that this was not the original title as I reported it on first viewing due to the wording.
The original title was 'Virgin Media staff involved in scam'

Quote:
The have been many threads started by the OP all with agendas in the hope of getting a reaction, but in this case the majority of posters in this thread have answered in a negative vein against the OP.
You seem to thrive on getting others to turn against me for something you don't like or approve of.

Quote:
I also did not find it surprising that he could not face up to that criticism.
I volunteered to kill myself. what more do you want?

I feel I have to make this post in response to the criticism and accusations made by the OP.

Peter_ 04-04-2010 10:59
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34994344)
The original title was 'Virgin Media staff involved in scam'
I know and I reported it as such due to the wording which appeared very misleading as it never mentioned what the scam was which causes people to make assumptions before clicking which is wrong in my eyes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34994344)
You seem to thrive on getting others to turn against me for something you don't like or approve of.
Anyone who has read this thread and posted the opposite opinion to yourself are telling you as it is but you blame me.:erm:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34994344)
I volunteered to kill myself. what more do you want?
A silly throwaway remark which makes you look silly.

papa smurf 04-04-2010 11:02
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
is this witch hunt serving any purpose?- its only a debate ,how about discussing the topic .

Gary L 04-04-2010 11:02
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34994346)
I know and I reported it as such due to the wording which appeared very misleading as it never mentioned what the scam was which causes people to make assumptions before clicking which is wrong in my eyes.


Anyone who has read this thread and posted the opposite opinion to yourself are telling you as it is but you blame me.:erm:


A silly throwaway remark which makes you look silly.
I have nothing more to add. other than your paranoia sounds terminal :D

Peter_ 04-04-2010 11:09
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34994349)
I have nothing more to add. other than your paranoia sounds terminal :D
As I have said previously I have never been an NTL employee so I do not care what happened to those people as they deserved to be caught and sentenced.

What I disliked was the original thread title which gave an initial wrong impression as to what the thread was actually about, but you knew that.;)

Gary L 04-04-2010 11:15
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34994353)
What I disliked was the original thread title which gave an initial wrong impression as to what the thread was actually about, but you knew that.;)
We are bored. you are boring us ;)

VM staff are still included in the title. how is adding what the scam is making you feel better?
you still read either the quote and/or the link to find out it was only a few employees that were involved in the scam and not all.

Sir John Luke 04-04-2010 11:21
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Can we have a sweepstake on who gets the last word before the thread is closed?

speedfreak 04-04-2010 11:24
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34994353)
As I have said previously I have never been an NTL employee so I do not care what happened to those people as they deserved to be caught and sentenced.

What I disliked was the original thread title which gave an initial wrong impression as to what the thread was actually about, but you knew that.;)
I agree and its nice to see someone passionate about the company they work for. Maybe you've both had your say now though :D

Peter_ 04-04-2010 11:28
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34994356)
We are bored. you are boring us ;)
If you are finding this thread boring then ask for it to be closed.

As the thread is still open let people decide if they are bored as they will vote by not entering into any further discussion.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir John Luke (Post 34994361)
Can we have a sweepstake on who gets the last word before the thread is closed?
Trying my best.;)

Gary L 04-04-2010 11:41
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34994367)
If you are finding this thread boring then ask for it to be closed.
It's not the thread. it's you.

Quote:
As the thread is still open let people decide if they are bored as they will vote by not entering into any further discussion.


That'll be because they're bored with you going on and on :)

Quote:
Trying my best.;)
To close it. we can tell.

Raistlin 04-04-2010 11:48
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
I've asked nicely. I've asked not so nicely.

Now I'm telling you.

Discuss the topic, drop the bickering, or start to receive infractions.

I hope that's clear enough for everybody.

arcamalpha2004 04-04-2010 11:55
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34994348)
is this witch hunt serving any purpose?- its only a debate ,how about discussing the topic .
Couldnt agree any more Papa, but just seems its a case of, dont say anything that can be seen to show a normal side to a company and expect help with a problem.
As I said, the Admin go all out to disclaim any link to the company, so why all the fuss?
If people want to give help give it, if not dont, but dont make a condition that help offered is only on the basis that people say pro things about the company in question.
And that relates to any company.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreak (Post 34994362)
I agree and its nice to see someone passionate about the company they work for. Maybe you've both had your say now though :D

Passion about a job is not there anymore for the simple fact that we are all numbers.
The company soon know who you are when they want to text your redundancy notice to you.

---------- Post added at 12:55 ---------- Previous post was at 12:53 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34994340)
Not in the least bit paranoid I just dislike certain people posting threads with an agenda in mind, also be aware that this was not the original title as I reported it on first viewing due to the wording.

The have been many threads started by the OP all with agendas in the hope of getting a reaction, but in this case the majority of posters in this thread have answered in a negative vein against the OP.

I also did not find it surprising that he could not face up to that criticism.

As I have said previously in this thread I have never worked for NTL so those people have nothing to do with me, plus the fact that the original offences were commited in 2005 well before any merger and change of name.



This quote above is quite wrong as Virginmedia is an amalgamation of 2 distinctly different companies, one being NTL and the other being Telewest and both companies operated on 2 distinctly different platforms, so try not to make sweeping statements about something you obviously have no idea about.;)

But the bare facts are Moldova, had NTL not existed we would not have what we have now? Virgin Media?
Dont say I have no idea about it.

Peter_ 04-04-2010 12:04
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
I am completely in favour of anyone being prosecuted for offences such as this as it increases everyones insurance premiums and no one ever wants that to happen.

I also believe that the sentences handed down in cases like this are pitiful and do not serve as a deterrent to these type of individuals.

Oddly enough discounting any post that I have made most posts have not been about the crime but rather the thread.

I still believe that the original title of the thread was meant to mislead and stand by that opinion as do many other posters in this thread.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34994380)

But the bare facts are Moldova, had NTL not existed we would not have what we have now? Virgin Media?
Dont say I have no idea about it.
As I said before Telewest is also part of Virginmedia and without it the would be no Virginmedia, and they were different companies using different kit and separate platforms.

NTL and Telewest merged to form one company.

joglynne 04-04-2010 12:05
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
What has this insurance scam got to do with who they were employed by other than that they worked together there?

Does anyone actually know how much extra car insurance we pay because of fraudulent claims?

At one time the area next to mine in Manchester had a high rate of car theft and and people living in the next road would get higher insurance quotes as a result because of their post code. It would be unfortunate for the people living in a particular street if fraudsters decided that it was an ideal place for these 'accidents' to happen.

Russ 04-04-2010 12:18
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Who they work for is obviously of interest due to this being CF but is in no way connected to their reason or motivation for it. They could just as well have been tesco employees.

Gary L 04-04-2010 12:20
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34994400)
Who they work for is obviously of interest due to this being CF but is in no way connected to their reason or motivation for it. They could just as well have been tesco employees.
Agreed Russ. here's a few examples of other threads in the forum. 2 of them nobody feels the need to complain about the OP that made the thread. 1 I made up.

Pope apologises for sexual abuse in Catholicism
Why do we need to know it's Catholics? is he apologising for every single Catholic? is every single Catholic a child abuser?

London's Metropolitan Police accused of waterboarding suspects
Is London really relevant to the story? and is it all officers in London that are involved?

NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
Why did they report who the people worked for? there's people doing this scam all over the country every day.

Royal Mail staff involved in 'Tripped and fell over' fraud scam.
Why did they report who the scammers worked for? there's people claiming to have tripped up all over the country every day.

Sirius 04-04-2010 12:26
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Just so people understand where i stand on this because i have posted in this thread and would not like to be classed has having an agenda. I have in my time been guilty of working for

NYNEX
Cable and Wireless
NTL
Telewest "just for 1 week"
NTL Telewest Business
VirginMedia

I presently work for one of those above

So there you go :LOL:

As for the intended affect of this thread If you are going to create a thread intended to get a reaction from cable company staff at least get the company right

joglynne 04-04-2010 12:28
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Gary, It would appear that you have no intention of discussing the topic and will continue to derail any attempt to do so.

papa smurf 04-04-2010 12:31
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34994406)
Just so people understand where i stand on this because i have posted in this thread and would not like to be classed has having a agenda. I have in my time been guilty of working for

NYNEX
Cable and Wireless
NTL
Telewest "just for 1 week"
NTL Telewest Business
VirginMedia

I presently work for one of those above

So there you go :LOL:

If you are going to create a thread intended to get a reaction from cable company staff at least get the company right
thought i recognised your posting technique your BRUCE WAYNE ;)

speedfreak 04-04-2010 12:35
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
I knew Sirius had a hidden agenda. My suspicion has been confirmed

Maribel 04-04-2010 12:40
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34994406)
Just so people understand where i stand on this because i have posted in this thread and would not like to be classed has having an agenda. I have in my time been guilty of working for

NYNEX
Cable and Wireless
NTL
Telewest "just for 1 week"
NTL Telewest Business
VirginMedia

I presently work for one of those above

So there you go :LOL:
No surprises here, you can't keep a job for long....

Toto 04-04-2010 12:44
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Can't believe I have just waisted even one minute reading this nonsense.

speedfreak 04-04-2010 12:45
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
he could be one of those that fast move up the promotional ladder or gets head hunted a lot

Whoops, dont want an infraction, so on topic, theres loads of this that goes on. I worked with a bloke who when coming up to a junction with nothing coming the car infront stopped and actually reversed in to my workmate. 4 lads in the car all put a claim in, the police were aware of a scam though and his insurance were looking in to it. Never did find out what happened, that was 10 years ago, its always gone on

Sirius 04-04-2010 12:55
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 34994418)
No surprises here, you can't keep a job for long....
Or i stayed in the same job and the company was merged with another, Now that did not take the brains of an archbishop to work out did it .

Hugh 04-04-2010 13:57
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34994429)
Or i stayed in the same job and the company was merged with another, Now that did now take the brains of an archbishop to work out did it .
Absolutely - I know someone who worked for Jones Cable, Bell Cablemedia, CWC, NTL, and Virgin Media - but hasn't changed jobs (except for promotions within the company).:D

Escapee 07-04-2010 18:43
Re: NTL (VM) staff involved in 'Cash for Crash' scam.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 34993550)
And your point is to blame Pactel, Vomit Media or is it yet any other pedantic, orthogonal, out of space argument?

I hope you enjoy your 1836 Petrus.:rolleyes:

And hello Kevin :) long time no hear.Nice to see you back
Thanks,

You have the advantage.

I have never gone away, but my attendance is a bit sporadic at times.:D


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