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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...brown-hard-man

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/83.jpg

This cannot be true...

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Looks like the sort of plan those Liebour moron's would think was a great idea....

Oh, look at the date !

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Yes it is the day for such news items.

I overheard 2 people on the train expressing opinions about the Metro article informing us that the Glasgow armadillo is to be renamed in honour of Susan Boyle. :D

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There's a few been knocked up by the look of it:rolleyes:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/g...ture=361041600

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Pathetic, dates notwithstanding.

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A fine article written by "Olaf Priol"

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V. funny, and appropriate for the date.......

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To be honest, I don't think anyone would blame him. In fact, going by the performances during PMQs, I am surprised he hasn't already. A lesser man would not have waited so long to have done it. Gordon Brown has to be applauded for his restraint. During the opposition leader's budget response, given the rumors about his temper, I was amazed he had the self-control to stop himself from getting up, walking across the floor and smacking Cameron in the face. I don't think many would have blamed him for such action under such extreme provocation. ;)

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With Mandelson and Osborne holding their jackets, shouting "Go on, 'ave 'im!"

And Harriet H and Theresa M holding Gord 'n Dave back, crying "Leave it - he's not worth it!".:D

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I can imagine "Dave" saying "I have made a fist and I know how to use it" and Gordon calling John Prescott as a second.:D

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:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:

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CF'ers of all political persuasions may find this therapeutic....

Slapometer

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/80.jpg
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/81.jpg

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OMG Gordon is winning :D

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I feel better now :D

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Haha guess that's the closest i'm ever going to get to slapping Cameron, thanks for posting it :D

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I think these Conservative ones are hilarious. Do they not know how gullible this country is? People driving past won't even tell that it's a Conservative thing due to the fact the writing at the bottom (the key bit which says "Or vote for change, vote Conservative") is so tiny you can hardly read it. And they'll vote for crazy eyes in their droves.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/br...-14745941.html

Or how about these?

http://mydavidcameron.com/

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I liked this one - it was shown on "Have I Got News For You" tonight.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...2&d=1270157242

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Judging by the colour of Camerons cheeks these last few days he must have taken a few hits.:)

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that would be the modern tories all right.

trying to get in on labour's failures rather than their own credentials.

I find attacking labour for increasing the gap between rich and poor disgusting considering the tories wont reverse that trend.

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To be fair the Tories have offered more solid economic policies than Labour - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ril_fools.html

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just been out shopping and as i returned home saw this huge poster on the border of Cleethorpes/Grimsby

pmsl

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What's hilarious is that they have the biggest smile Gordon's ever managed next to a seemingly positive headline, and the key bit at the bottom is so small that when you drive past it you can't read it.

Massive own goal from the Tory ad campaigners there.....

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If you think that "I caused record youth unemployment" can be perceived as seemingly positive, I can guess that Labour has your vote in the upcoming general election....;)

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At least the Tories can be rightly proud of YTS schemes, oh no not really as it was all a sham.

Both parties are as bad as each other.

A good Tory vote winning poster can be found HERE

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The simple solution in that case Moldova is to vote Lib Dem. It's something I hope a lot of people in the North will consider doing rather than blindly voting Labour because they think the Tories and Labour are as bad as one another.

This does ignore welfare lifers whose Labour votes are bought and paid for, those are understandable.

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Strange, isn't it - if someone displayed a poster stereotyping labour voters as work-shy dole-scrounging layabouts, watching Sky Sports on their giant plasma TV, surrounded by lots of dirty kids and Staffordshire Bull Terriers, there would be a huge outcry. :dozey:

But I suppose reverse-snobbery is acceptable.....

(btw, I never have, or intend to, hunt foxes, and neither do the hundreds of people I know who vote Tory - then again, most of my Labour-voting friends don't keep whippets or wear flat caps ;))

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I will not vote for George Howarth who is our local MP and nor would I ever vote Tory as they have never been a party for the people regardless of who votes for them.

I will vote but as I have opted for a postal vote so no excuses or apathy here.

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Quite right as well.

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To correct that one, no doubt labour are soft on children but they have come down very hard on childless welfare claimants. However the tories blew their chance to steal those votes by announcing a policy thats even tougher and unreasonable. Of course the majority of the country are welfare claimaints. Thanks to silly things like a non means tested child benefit.

Personally I will either not vote (dont see the point as stronghold labour area on crappy fptp system) or will vote lib dem.

To be brunt the tories are the party for the people who only care about the cash in their own pocket as they love tax cuts. Since its not really a sellable policy as people will know savage spending cuts have to be made to fund tax cuts then the tories just concentrate on discrediting the opposition instead.

eg. they attack labour on youth unemployment yet are planning to cut funding for youth training and apprenticeship schemes.
they attack on the gap between rich and poor and will cut inheritance tax for the rich.
they attack on the running of the economy but plan to cut investment in the public sector very severely which will only increase unmemployment.
they attack on the how labour handling of the banks yet the tories for short term gains plan to sell those shares on the cheap. Guess who will snap most of them up.
they claim they will get people on incapacity benefit back into work, the truth is they will just unconditionally cut their income and leave them to rot after that.
if I was a multi miilionaire who owned tons of land yep I want the tories in power, I cant think of what they will do for the average working class tho.

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Sadly that would appear to be the case. I guess I would have to go into that snobbish group in that I would vote Tory if necessary to unseat a Labour MP but prefer the Lib Dems. That I have a Lib Dem MP is a huge bonus.

I live in an affluent area which doesn't appear to have ever voted Labour, have a fairly high paying job, I'd better start lobbying my MP to get fox hunting legal again so that I can join the other snobs in my constituency. Maybe we could hunt the above stereotypical Labour voters instead :p:

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So what do you suggest, we just keep increasing taxes until businesses don't want to do business here anymore and people are punished further for actually working?

Investment in the public sector is not a viable way to reduce unemployment. The public sector is there to provide essential services, not to employ as many people as possible. It is the private sector's job to reduce unemployment as it's the private sector that pays for the public sector.

Enlarging the public sector to make the unemployment figures look good is part of the reason for our structural deficit, Labour just employing more and more people in the public sector without having the resources to pay for it.

Citation for this would be useful please, along with where this cash would be going.

They also want to change the National Insurance increase threshold so that rather than starting at 10k it starts at 45k, removing all those who aren't on top rate tax rate from paying. That strikes me as being quite friendly to the less wealthy. Like it or not the rich, industry and businesses are the engine of economy, when the economy is healthy and there are people to purchase the products because they feel wealthier everyone does better.

It's a balancing act that Labour have failed at, they haven't had the testicles to impose direct taxes so have instead been slapping people with indirect and non-progressive taxation which has hurt the poor far more than the rich. Labour are no better, apart from that they love spending money they don't have and want to run everything through a massive public sector.

Your opinion, no way to know how that would pan out.

You did read this policy somewhere beyond the Labour party's response, right? It was about offering shares to people at a discount. Many of those who aren't super rich would snap these up, would be a good use of their savings. The super rich wouldn't get rights to any more shares than anyone else.

Those who aren't able to benefit from this as they simply can't afford to living from pay cheque to pay cheque would probably welcome not having 1% stuck onto their NI by next year's increase.

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The Tories will do the same thing that they have always done to the working classes who vote for them, take them to the cleaners as they always have.

Unless you have a silver spoon in your mouth or are an ex etonian they will care very little for them.

Labour are doing the very best to emulate them.

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I'm really tempted to scan my P60 so that you can see just how much those of us who aren't described as 'working class' get taken to the cleaners.

When did the 'working classes' start feeling so persecuted? We're all getting it firmly and deeply at the moment. This whole 'working classes' nonsense and indeed everything about 'classes' is irrelevant.

I have no silver spoon in my mouth, I do however fence at Eton once a week :blush: but I'm quite interested in the idea of paying less taxes as I would imagine most people would be.

It's not the government's job to care for us beyond basic and essential services, much as Labour wants to, we are all responsible for ourselves at the end of the day. More people that take this attitude the less the government will get in our face and the more of our pay we'll take home with us.

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Well said :tu:

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You did notice that I also classed Labour as being no different to the Conservatives as nowadays that party is just a clone of the Tory party.

We have no mainstream party that we can trust not to screw us regardless of any promises made to the electorate once they are in power.

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:clap::clap::clap:

I don't trust the Tories as far as I could throw a stone.

Interest rates will rise (great if you have a low mortgage or no mortgage at all, or a few bob in the bank)

Higher taxes for the working classes, plus lower taxes for the well off. ( I have no doubt that the 50% tax for the well off will be expunged after a few months of tory rule, should they be elected).

Unless Mr Cameron can convince me that he can see a way forward for this country with a very convincing mandate, then my vote will go elsewhere.

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I think its about time we as a nation stopped the voting system being a 2 party system and give someone else a chance. At the end of the things cant get much worse than what they r already getting.

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Err interest rates are used to control inflation. When the economy starts working again interest rate rises will be required from whomever is in power to avoid inflation going too high. It has already burst upwards this year and interest rates would likely have already gone up if they weren't being held down to try and stimulate the economy. Mortgage costs and savings rates are not a significant driver for interest rates, it's the larger effects on the economy that are caused. It's not done purely to spite 'working class' people with big mortgages and no savings.

You mean like their evil, and actually announced as opposed to the assumed one in your statement above, plan to take money away from the working classes by raising the threshold of Labour's NI increase from 10k to 45k. Big time sting for the 'working classes' that one.

Use of the phrase 'working class' usually indicates where someone sits on this particular fence. That and the baseless view that the Tories will take all the money from lower income earners and give it to the rich along with raising interest rates purely to spite those same lower income people.

There are a lot of things that one can be critical of the Tories over. This view that they want to take all the money way from the 'working classes' isn't one of them. There isn't any evidence to support that point of view at the moment, the opposite if anything is the case.

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A hung parliamant certianly would be interesting, get vince cable some say.

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Dont get me wrong, labour have made some poor decisions. Its just the tories have said nothing to convince me thats positive, this is a combination of both announcing a few poor policies and spending a lot of their time attacking labour instead of telling the voters what they plan to do. The tories have told us what labour have done wrong but they havent said what they will do instead, the lib dems havent had a problem laying out policies.

Also modern day labour and especially when they were under blair are much more right wing than traditional labour.

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Though evidently not fiscally much more right wing beyond lining their own pockets given they spend tax payers' money and indeed mortgage the tax payer just like traditional Labour.

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New Labour haven't told us much about what they're going to do either and given the fictional content of their previous manifestos I wouldn't believe anything they say now anyway. It's a lot easier to spell out 'policies' when your only realistic chance of power is some form of hastily arranged deal in a hung parliament.

I heard a leading Lib-Dem spokesman (can't recall his name) being interviewed about the prospects for a hung parliament on the BBC a week or two ago. As proponents of proportional representation it was suggested to him that they really then ought to be siding with the party that wins most votes as opposed to the party with most seats. Despite being pressed for an answer quite a few times he refused to answer and dodged the question...

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This may already have been mentioned but apparently New Labour's latest poster warns that the Tories will take us back to the 1980's. That's a bit rich coming form the party whose economic ineptitiude has virtually taken us back to the 1930's.. :rolleyes:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...15592264?f=rss

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Two quite clever (imho) posters on the BBC website

First, the Labour poster
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/75.jpg

Then, the Tory riposte
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/76.jpg

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Comparing Dave to a popular TV character? Personally it would make it more likely for me to vote for him.

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This version's brilliant:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/74.jpg

Haven't laughed so much in ages! :D

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Attack, parry, riposte touché. Point.

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:clap:

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Oh the arrogance :rolleyes:

I rest my case :2up:

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I see sarcasm is wasted on you. Never mind. Just keep repeating the mantra that the Tories will randomly increase taxes on the 'working classes' while paying your Labour increased NI the Tories want to remove from those not paying 40% income tax. Don't forget to accuse them of wanting to manipulate interest rates, which are at their root a product of the Bank of England base rate set by none other than the Bank of England, in order to benefit people with savings and screw people with mortgages over. I'll keep the facts to myself next time.

BTW I despise the whole 'working class' thing - I see it as nothing more than a label. There are those who are privileged, those who by circumstance are severely disadvantaged, the rest of us can be anything we want, and have the ability, to be. Yes I live in an affluent area now, no I don't like paying taxes so am not a huge fan of Labour or anyone else hugely left of the middle as I don't see a role for big government in my life, and by the way I was raised by my grandparents, a truck driver and a cleaner, in social housing, zero silver spoon here thanks.

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What I will find amusing if the Tories get in is will we be able to tell the difference between them and Labour.

Also when they start to screw us by selling off the rest of the country because that is what they do best what will all their supporters say in support, will we have such comments as we needed to sell them off for the good of the country.

Anyone that is on a low wage or getting disability allowances will in all likelihood find much more stringent measures in place to ensure that the state gives them less.

Also expect the minimum wage to be scrapped as many of their businessmen supporters will be expecting this as they bleat about their profits being affected by a set wage.

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Given David Cameron is on record as saying he was pleasantly surprised at how well the minimum wage turned out and is a supporter of it that would seem unlikely.

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I rather doubt that many of the businessmen that support the party are, and if the Tories get elected will be pushing for its removal.

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Gold reserves.

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I think you have missed the point of the poster. It does not depict Tory voters, but Tory MPs.

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Just like the unions who support Labour are pushing for strike after ruddy strike. Even the CWU are itching for a fight with VM so they can show them who's boss. That came from the mouth of a CWU rep :(

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To say nothing, of course, of the growing campaign, within the Tory rank and file, to abolish the National Minimum Wage.

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Erm, then why did Moldova's post state The acronym "MP" is conspicuous by its absence....;)

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didn't one of those cwu chaps get a job in mr browns cabinet :)

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Dont know but i wished i had recorded the rant i got from him on the phone about VM :LOL:

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i was talking about this cwu chap

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Johnson

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Any evidence to support this "growing campaign" claim (and I don't mean the Private Members Bill)?

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Do you not consider such a bill as a campaign? If not, why not?

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No, because it's a private member's bill.

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Erm, why do I have to disprove your assertion that a Private Members Bill, backed 11 Tory MPs, is proof of Surely the onus is upon you to prove your assertion?:dozey:

How is it growing, and who, besides the aforementioned 11 MPs, are the rank and file that are growing it?

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Now there's a question. I wonder if we'll get an answer.... :D

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Oh right,.... that'd be why then... :D

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Some opponents of the Minimum Wage that I didn't know about - BBC

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No it depicts members of the hunt not an mp and any hint of the law being repealed will be a vote winner for those people.

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Not aimed at you personally but surely they would be the stereotypical Tory toffs and vote Tory whatever happens?

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Most people should be aware by now that apart from the main organisers of the hunt most hunt followers are not stereotypical toffs as they are either farm workers or live in the area and have been brought up with the hunt as a normal way of life, not unlike the average football fan.

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Interesting report there on the min wage. Britian will do wrong to just concentrate on high skill tho since it then causes a problem for the 10s of millions of adults who are unskilled.

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Best get them skilled in that case. Everyone beyond those extremely disabled will be able to get skills.

Unsure if it's fair on the British adult to describe 10s of millions of us as unskilled :(

We can't compete with somewhere like China on cost of unskilled labour so short of extensive subsidies which make jobs rather pointless from the country's point of view we have to look at a balancing act.

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Optimistic hoping that most people will be aware of that :)

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How do you get people skilled tho?

Usually you learn a skill during work or will need to do some type of training/education course which costs money.

Even after all this is taken into account skilled work does not provide mass employment thats what unskilled work does.

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For me it was simple. I got off my butt and made sure i made something of my life by going to college or night school instead of holding my hand out and shouting "give me give me give me"

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How do you propose generating additional unskilled work?

A focus on skilled jobs is necessary to avoid those people who have spent their time and likely some tax payers' money learning those skills taking them elsewhere. These people are more and more mobile and indeed are taking their skills elsewhere more and more.

Focus on ensuring people can avoid underemployment and so keep their higher tax payments flowing to UK coffers not elsewhere, along with welfare state reform to ensure that those who have no interest in skills can't turn their noses up at unskilled work is necessary. Outside of exceptional projects and infrastructure the government cannot generate unskilled work.

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Training in a number of things is available free of charge or subsidised, there's a big focus on it at the moment.

If people can't be bothered that's their prerogative. It should be absolutely ensured that there is no way for someone to be better off on welfare than working, and to ensure that those who ignore the carrot in terms of training, and refuse work are then treated appropriately - fairly, but harshly.

I'm quite a fan of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemplo...enefits#Canada actually over our existing system.

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Well example I can give is someone was doing a plumbing course, his only income was JSA and couldnt afford to pay the travel costs as was some distance to the training location.

Job centre refused to at least assist in the costs.

To sirius sorry life isnt that simple, its ok saying I went to life school or college, but how was it paid for? you had savings? family member help out? or perhaps your current job had a good enough wage so you had enough to pay for it and ongoing living costs. Or is there free training/education in your area perhaps?

All I know is that there was a load of cuts in my area to schemes that were designed to get people skills, the cuts were done for 2 reasons.

1 - The money funding these schemes ran out.
2 - The skills people learned turned out to be useless as there was no jobs for those skills in the area.

By mass employment I mean we cant have 5 million solicitors, a million accountants, 10 million teachers and so on. There is only so many skilled jobs and the rest gets filled by shelf stackers, mcdonalds, cleaners etc.

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I paid for it by not going to the pub or buying stuff i did not need and by working all hours that i could. I realised that if i wanted to get on there had to be some financial pain at the beginning. I see to many these days that are more happy to sit on the dole while doing cash in hand work and then complaining the Government don't do enough to help them. Parasites on humanity is what they are. :mad:

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what would happen if you work all hours you can and there is no not going to the pub because your earnings cant even cover your living costs without luxuries?

yes this situation does exist for some people.

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Then either your living costs are too high or your wage is too low and you need a different job.

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:clap:

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We going in circles.

You know what I will next say? what happens if thats the only job available to you, you would then attack the person for leaving the job and going on the dole right?

In poor parts of the country people are often faced with either long hours and poor pay or the dole, there is no better job. Simple fact of life I'm afraid and is especially the case in a recession.

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Had a 5 minute look at rooms available in sheffield, plenty for 50ppw, some all inclusive too.
It's about the same in Mingingham and several other places around the country.
So that's 200-250 a month on a roof.
40 hours a week on minimum wage (long hours on poor pay) gives £869 in your pocket each month.
So after renting a room, that's at least £600-650 a month for everything else.

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Logic will not win in this debate honest :)

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Poor parts of the country also tend to have lower living costs. Supply and demand, if people tend to be poor prices will lower until demand is higher as supply of housing, the major expense, is fairly static. The welfare state will assist those with lower incomes also in the form of income support, housing benefit and council tax benefit if exceedingly poor.

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Some people can do more I dont disagree but I am also realistic, there is only a limited amount of skilled jobs so some people will 'always' have to do unskilled work if they want to work.

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No-one's stopping them from doing so. Emphasis is on skilled work because it requires more effort and more investment all around. One can hardly do a huge recruitment drive and government investment in promoting minimum wage cleaning jobs.