Will these Nazis ever learn?
 

‘Racist’ London BNP chief threatened with suspension

They eventually revert to type and show their real colours. For me, I am glad he has done this. The man who is in charge of co-ordinating Fuhrer Griffin's campaign in London has reminded all Londoners what a disgusting, vile and thoroughly reprehensible party these twits are.

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They're not Nazi's. They don't belong to the National Socialist party, which hasn't been around for 60 years.

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:rofl:

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i think people bandy that "nazi" label about too much he may be a racist but not a nazi

Bob Baily should be booted out not suspended

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That's true although you have to remember some posters enjoy getting, erm...emotional ;)

And prosecuted. I just love how the BNP claim they're not a racist party.

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the title is deliberately misleading this has nothing to do with Nazi's
i call godwin's law

more spin from the liebour supporters club.

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With all due respect they are only one step up from Nazis on a technicality of the fact that the Nazi party is a banned party.

Also I think suggesting that Labour would use this as a means of spin and electioneering any more than the other parties is a little harsh..and an attempt at flaming.:nono:

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While I agree that the moron in question is a racist, fascist pig, he certainly is not a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei....

Flyboy fails at emotive thread tiles....

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So if I had posted this would you all be saying the same thing?Because I very nearly did..

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but would you have called him a Nazi ? -or simply a racist ?

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He's a racist BNP idiot. Nice to see yet again they have shown there true colours for everybody to see.

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Maybe not but I'm asking if anyone else had posted about this whether you would have jumped all over them for it..:erm:

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There appears to be general agreement, besides a difference of opinion about one word in the thread header, that the Barking Bob Bailey is lower than a worm's foreskin - nice to see unity in CF.....:D

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yes-it was clearly an attempt at sensationalism .

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Oh yes definitely **** of the earth mentality and only one step up from the N word...;)

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I also argue that there is NO SUCH THING AS RACISM. Since we are ALL members of the HUMAN RACE, we are all anatomically idetical, with differing amounts of evolution induced disparity in physical appearance and minor differing cellular traits depending on where our ancestors lived. We all have the same internal organs, we all bleed red.

'Racism' cannot exist, except as a term.

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er surely you mean n party :shocked:

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An idealistic view. The fact is that there is a condition that is defined as Racism. People DO discriminate against others based purely on their skin colour and/or perceived culture.

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That is not racism, it is an incorrectly defined term for the problem. by using the word 'Racism' it implies that people from different geographical areas are in fact from differing races, when that is not the case. By using the word 'Racism' to describe a form of xenophobc reaction (xenophobia, from the latin Xenos, meaning Stranger, and Phobos, meaning fear) it perpetuates the myth that because someone has a different colour of skin they are from a different subset of the genus homo sapien. There is only one race therefore 'Racism' is itself a derogatory term because it is alluding to that not being the case.

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Word it however you want, it neither changes or reduces the problem.

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Quite right. If anything, the BNP are Neo-Nazis.

Flyboy, would you like me to alter the thread title to make it more historically correct? ;)

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Most 'racial' slurs are based around the wording. my point is that the term 'racist' or 'racism' is as insulting as any of the other epithets. It perpetuates an incorrect myth.

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I am fairly sure that whilst people are being treated as second-class citizens and less than others because they are different, that they are not too fussed about the etymology involved.;)

Anyhoo, the Oxford English Dictionary definition of race is which seems to differ from your definition.

I think you will find that humans are a species (Homo Sapiens Sapiens), rather than a race......

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So, where does this guy live? ;)

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and yet the populace of the Earth is referred to as the Human Race, which is why I say classing subgroups based on ethnicity as 'races' is to imply a separation which does not in fact exist.

It is all within the usage of the word. Gay used to mean happy, then it became a term used to describe homosexuals, then it became an insult.

For the artificial barriers people erect based on evolutionary locations to be demolished, the acceptance of everyone into one genus is necessary, otherwise we end up with more barriers. It is not acceptable to describe one whose country of origin (not necessarily themselves, but ancestrally) is Pakistan as a P**i, (since that is now an insulting term) However it is acceptable to call one whose country of origin is Britain, a 'brit' - both are merely abbreviations of the original country name, yet one found it's meaning routed into that of an insult. I find 'race' comments to be insulting since it implies a biological difference other than that of the attributes bestowed by evolutionary conditions.

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So if they are not racist what are they? :confused:

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:nutter:

I doubt incidents like this will in any way lessen their appeal among BNP supporters.
It's probably considered good press for them!

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Xenophobic, they fear that which is different to themselves and exhibit that fear in the form of antagonistic or hostile behaviour.

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Can't spell that,it's a mouthful and racist is what everyone else recognises.;)

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You make a very good argument for promoting a change in terminology. However, you do your argument a disservice by making this your opening statement:

You need to remember that while you as the writer are someone who attaches a particular understanding to the words 'race' and 'racism', your readers are (I would argue) almost exclusively going to have a different, shall we say more 'traditional' understanding of those words.

I am a great believer in authorial intent; I have little sympathy for arch-postmodernists who use text for their own literary masturbation. However, I do believe the author has a responsibility to consider what the natural reading of his material will be to his intended audience. And your intended audience - the other members of this forum - are for the most part going to read the phrase 'NO SUCH THING AS RACISM', which you even helpfully SHOUTED, and assume you're about to try to justify hate crimes against specific ethnic groups. Which of course you weren't, but had you tried a different tack you may have found you didn't need to re-state, re-phrase and elaborate upon your argument quite so much in your subsequent posts.

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At the end of the day, any laws, guidelines etc which are intended to break down the barriers and xenophobic tendencies would have to be enforceable in both directions in order for them to have any validity and not become part of the problem themselves. It must become unacceptable for ALL people to use the N word, or to refer to people as P**is, for a black person to make slurs towards a white one exactly as it is unacceptable for someone who is white to do the same.
Just trying to highlight the fact that terms used to segregate people promote the continuation of hostile actions by inferring a separation, and that the concept of 'racism' is a double edged sword.

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Seen photos of this dude and he looks like a right ****.
Anyone have his DoB BTW?

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No need, I think it is already historically correct, given that Bailey's Fuhrer is such a fan of the original Nazi party and its goals. The word "Nazi" is no longer solely adjective of a political party, but of a political doctrine. The BNP's aims, objectives, intentions and ambitions are almost identical to those of the parties which preceded it.

One thing that does stand out, is the probable mental state of the man who is hoping to propel the Fuhrer into parliament:

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It's also called Mankind, but less than half are men.....;)

I think we accept we are all one species, if you wish to call that a race, that's up to you.

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No need, it's entirely correct.

I think the thread title is entirely correct, as I'm sure you're aware.

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Indeed, in fact didn't the British Nazi Party challenge the definition in court to prove that the "indigenous" population of the British Isles should considered a race in its own right?

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Fear is not automatically related to hate (unless you are Yoda). I fear death, but I don't hate it. What would be the point? Mrs Flyboy fears moths, but she does not hate them. I am sure there are many here who fear many things, but cannot find any logical reason to hate them.

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Since when has antisemitism or xenophobia had a basis in logic?

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I'm very well aware of the generic use of the term. I just thought it might be fun to play the pedants at their own game. ;)

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No, the Humans of this world are biologically classified as a species, not a race. Homosapiens are taxonomically ranked below the genus of homo, which describes anthropoids. Race, as has already been referred to is below the taxonomic rank of species.

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So, as such, referring to the Human Race is actually incorrect.. From a biological point of view.

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You are missing a little context. The P word you mention is an abbreviation of Pakistani. However, the fact it has been used as an insult (often with violence) means that the term is now tainted, and people consider it an insult even though it is just an abbreviation. If Brit were used as a derogatory term in the same way (even with violence) for long enough, then Brit would also be unacceptable.

The other part of the context you are missing is knowledge of any intent behind the words. Most people will happily accept names that can be quite insulting, as long as the person using them is a friend and they know no hurt is meant. For instance, when I am out with friends, we are known to use names for each other that if I heard someone else use about me, I would get angry, and if they were used on here would almost certainly result in a suspension for the member using them. Yet, because they are friends, I accept the words, as I know that no hurt is meant.

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I'd have pointed out that he is obviously a fascist, and not a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. I'd have done that politely as its possible to have a proper conversation/debate with you. [ADMIN EDIT - personal remarks will not be tolerated]

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Although it is worth noting that the terms "Nazi" and "fascist' are used interchangably by a lot of people (myself included), so lets not be pedantic about it just because we don't like the poster?