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dhiren92 22-03-2010 13:57

Finally We All Might Get Good Internet?
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8579333.stm

Labour Party: Gordon Brown's super-fast broadband for all plan

ThunderPants73 22-03-2010 14:28

Re: Finally We All Might Get Good Internet?
 
*snigger*

Hugh 22-03-2010 14:30

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Quote:

He said greater use of faster internet would also allow people to have more say over government policy, such as through e-petitions, and create some 250,000 new jobs
:rofl:

smeagoly1 22-03-2010 14:33

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Yep i read that this morning, and two words came to mind "Pigs" and "Fly"
and this was after i had to have my sides stiched back together i was laughing so much.

Spectato 22-03-2010 14:37

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Say hello (and goodbye) to the Internet.
The latest political chew-toy, since all the perennial ones are too ripped up to save.
Please meddle with me, regulate me, bury me under bureaucracy until I'm unrecognisable and unusable.

Why the hell can't they leave anything alone?!! :mad:

roger skillin 22-03-2010 14:56

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It's just more rubbish being fed into your brain to try and get you to re elect Brown, sorry it wont work

bonzoe 22-03-2010 19:39

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Could there be an election coming up?

Sirius 22-03-2010 19:42

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So which company if any other than BT will receive some of this money

Ignitionnet 22-03-2010 20:44

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Whoever presents the best plan for each project according to the Digital Economy bill. Nothing BT specific at all.

jtaylor06 22-03-2010 20:46

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Is this limited to ADSL, or can fibre optic, mobile etc companies can propose too?

5T3V3 22-03-2010 22:56

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after moving from the city to a village.....you can only imagine how different the speed is!!! =(
its laughable that he says that uk is going to 'lead the way' when we're already soo soo soo soo so far behind .....what a jerk he is!?
having said that tho...the idea is sound enough..... force every company to stump up some cash... sorry...invest in a fibre optic main frame for our 21st c. super highway.....more than likely due for completetion some time in the 22nd c!!!!!!

AndyCambs 23-03-2010 08:22

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Bearing in mind we're in a recession, who is supposed to pay for all this magical work?

pip08456 23-03-2010 11:08

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There's only one place the Gov will get £30million from.

Druchii 23-03-2010 11:34

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 34985436)
There's only one place the Gov will get £30million from.

Pie-throwing contest... Target: Gorden Brown?

Ignitionnet 23-03-2010 11:37

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Originally Posted by Druchii (Post 34985454)
Pie-throwing contest... Target: Gorden Brown?

Now that I would happily pay to do on condition I can stick something either sharp or seriously unpleasant in the pie.

As far as costs go you guys do remember that 50p/month phone line tax that was discussed right? This is a reannouncement of that, just electioneering nothing more.

pip08456 23-03-2010 11:51

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 34985455)
As far as costs go you guys do remember that 50p/month phone line tax that was discussed right?

How quickly they forget!:D

5T3V3 25-03-2010 01:46

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.....???where did vm get the money for their f/o network......?????
i dont know the answer to this but i'm guessing either
1 own pockets/investment.
2 not from the tax payer.
why should any other provider get different, if they do, is it fair for vm to get some of the cash(back) too???

pip08456 25-03-2010 02:47

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Originally Posted by 5T3V3 (Post 34986956)
.....???where did vm get the money for their f/o network......?????
i dont know the answer to this but i'm guessing either
1 own pockets/investment.
2 not from the tax payer.
why should any other provider get different, if they do, is it fair for vm to get some of the cash(back) too???

Would you really like to see VM being forced to relase their network to other ISP's as BT have been?

noel43 25-03-2010 18:48

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Originally Posted by dhiren92 (Post 34984646)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8579333.stm

Labour Party: Gordon Brown's super-fast broadband for all plan

Just another Stealth Tax.

broadbandking 25-03-2010 19:55

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Super fast broadband, if they try and do this it will be the biggest FURBAR in the world, just leave the net alone Brown, I can see the headlines no, million left without broadband because Labour can't afford the upgrade costs, or new TAX to pay for broadband upgrades.

BomberAF 25-03-2010 20:04

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IT's not going to be superfast broadband it's only going to be 40Mb, I currently have 50Mb, and later this year VM are releasing 100Mb.

Ignitionnet 25-03-2010 21:16

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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 34987442)
IT's not going to be superfast broadband it's only going to be 40Mb, I currently have 50Mb, and later this year VM are releasing 100Mb.

40Mbit is 'super fast', Ofcom appear to define it as anything above 24Mbit and I'm sure those who are presently unable to even get 10Mbit would probably agree regardless of what you personally may have.

BomberAF 25-03-2010 22:52

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 34987481)
40Mbit is 'super fast', Ofcom appear to define it as anything above 24Mbit and I'm sure those who are presently unable to even get 10Mbit would probably agree regardless of what you personally may have.

I think OFCOM need to get a grip, while we welcome the steam train Japan welcomes the jet engine?

bones13 26-03-2010 00:08

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After all the tripe and lies this goverment states, you really believe Browner would carry out his pledge??-
Why do the goverment have to get involved when theres a good thing going, as soon as its making shed loads of money they tax it.

Superfast broadband.(lmfao!) im on 20Meg, im lucky to get a decent connection at times

Ignitionnet 26-03-2010 13:27

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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 34987575)
I think OFCOM need to get a grip, while we welcome the steam train Japan welcomes the jet engine?

And who is going to pay for this jet engine, you?

I'd have a look at just how much the Japanese government subsidises fibre in the country and see if you fancy some of that added to your tax bill, I personally don't.

Stuart 26-03-2010 13:34

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As the Government's plans are *not* VM specific, I have moved this thread to a more appropriate forum.

BomberAF 26-03-2010 16:24

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 34987875)
And who is going to pay for this jet engine, you?

I'd have a look at just how much the Japanese government subsidises fibre in the country and see if you fancy some of that added to your tax bill, I personally don't.

I take your point, but don't you think they should just go in one big hit, and give all the major towns and citys BB which is on par with Japan and Korea? My reason for saying that is because the 40Mb isn't really that fast in the grand scheme of things and I don't believe it to be future proof, and as such in the future it will need to be upgraded once again therefore costing us even more money. You could be panny smart but pound stupid.

theholydave 27-03-2010 02:01

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BT was privatised in the 80's and due to their failings we have to bail them out with an additional tax to improve their broadband network

Cheers

5T3V3 28-03-2010 11:23

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 34986967)
Would you really like to see VM being forced to relase their network to other ISP's as BT have been?

totally not mate, what i mean is that vm paid for it themselves. political parties are now saying that they're gna give funding to folks like bt (pos from tv liscence fee) to pay for those networks to get updated......my point is that this is unfair to vm. if they are gna give them money, vm should get some too............................
but thinking on.............is a good or bad thing if the whole network was f/o and open to all suppliers, we're all customers/consumers and getting the best pos delivery to the highest number of people is surely a good thing eh???
peace.

Ignitionnet 30-03-2010 12:13

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Originally Posted by theholydave (Post 34988379)
BT was privatised in the 80's and due to their failings we have to bail them out with an additional tax to improve their broadband network

Cheers

Nothing in the bill that's BT specific at all. No failings involved either. The 50p is for non-urban areas to get faster Internet, these areas are unlikely to provide a return on investment. No failings just those are the numbers.

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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 34988033)
I take your point, but don't you think they should just go in one big hit, and give all the major towns and citys BB which is on par with Japan and Korea? My reason for saying that is because the 40Mb isn't really that fast in the grand scheme of things and I don't believe it to be future proof, and as such in the future it will need to be upgraded once again therefore costing us even more money. You could be panny smart but pound stupid.

50% of the 40Mbit investment BT are doing will be reusable for fibre to the home.

The best thing the government can do is remove legislative barriers and give some more guidance to local authorities to allow these networks to be built.

Sadly we won't be on a par with Japan / Korea - they have aerial fibre which is something that's not really an option in many places in the UK and would raise moans from people in others (while they complain about their lack of high speed Internet at the same time of course).

There's a few reasons but mostly the government is the problem, not the solution, in the urban areas.


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