The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

Welcome to the official Cable Forum General Election Thread, week 4. This is the place to discuss any and all political stories during this week of the campaign. There is an opinion poll - please use it to indicate your voting intentions. There will be many more parties standing for election than we have room for, so please make use of the 'other' or 'none of the above' options if you need to.

This thread will remain open for one week. After that it will be replaced with a new thread with a new poll. This will allow us to see how voting intentions change and crystallize as polling day approaches. The final thread in this series will open on the day of the election with an exit poll so we can see which party wins the seat for Cable Forum Central.

Please do not start any other political threads during the election campaign. They will be closed.

This is a continuation of the thread for week 3, which is now closed, but which you can still see here.

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Some truth from Gordo at last...

http://bit.ly/cf2RSQ

If only!

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It was far from funny - granted he made the comments in private (or so he thought) those comments got back to the woman in question and she was left very upset by it and she was an hard Labour supporter. If that's what Gordon 'numpty' Brown really thinks of his own party supporters/voters, who bring up legit questions and concerns during an election campaign visit - he deserves no votes at all.

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Has it taken you nearly two weeks to work all that out?

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It does all depend on what she said ,for all we know GB may be perfectly correct in calling her a bigot
still he should have been more guarded when voicing his personal opinons of a person

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There's always one :D

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Of course he is. Now the whole world knows what many of us have long suspected ... that Gordon is utterly contemptuous of all the little people who just happen to disagree with his Five Year Tractor Plan for Great Britain.

He's a muppet and a disgrace to his office. Thank goodness he'll be vacating it in a little over a week from now.

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Couldn't give a toss, I thought it was funny and that's all that matters to me.

We don't know what the woman said and GB could be right in calling her what he called her.

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Hey I like the bloke and he is the best chance this country has :D

The other two parties in the running are jokes.

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Meanwhile, if this knocked the smug grin off Alex Salmond's face for even a second, the world will have become a happier place.

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One bunch of liars go in, another bunch come out.

Nothing improves, I vote in the vain hope that for once something will change but it never does in any meaningful way.

And those godawful televised debates just make it worse. Nick Clegg?!

The only winners are the politicians, the losers are always the electorate in one way or another.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

:td:

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Is there something wrong with calling a bigot a bigot? When did bigot become a slur? Quite ironic that. In fact, i dare say it's "PC gone mad!"

The only issue here is that he didn't say it to her face.

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But she wasn't bigoted in anything she said.... doh...

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I still haven't made my mind up yet, i know it certainly won't be conservative but i need to do some in depth thought then lay the polling card in my budgie cage and see which one gets picked 1st .

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You think she wasn't, clearly GB thinks her opinions show otherwise.

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so what did she say then ?

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7110540.ece

Whether you agree with the judgement or not, i'd say "sort of bigoted" (his exact words) is a fair judgement for somebody to make.

This whole story is a mountain out of a molehill, and i'm not even a Labour supporter either.

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And his comments demonstrate, that what she said is true.

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Don't you mean see which one gets pecked first?

It's the only way to be sure. Budgie knows best.

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It's a good question to be honest. I've often wondered just quite where all these Eastern European people are coming from. Islamistan? South Slovakland? The Over There? Atlantis? Neverneverland? It's a mystery.

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i would agree ,i think any other time it would be a nothing story ,i think she is a "sort of bigot" in the same way as a lot of people are "sort of bigots" in that we are concerned about immigration

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"but all these eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?" :dunce:

I'll take a stab at answering this. Eastern Europe maybe?

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I was going to hazard a guess at that region too.

Spooky.

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There's a big difference between a bigotted view of "we're letting in too many foreigners which I object to because they are foreign" and a concern of hers which was basically "we can't afford to support a rapidly increasing population that are entitled to state support"

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I don't like Gordon, but I think this is more important than the "bigot story" which has dominated today...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1956149.html

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No I *know* she wasn't - I heard the whole interview and nothing she said was bigoted, all her concerns were genuine questions asking a government which has failed her as a supporter/voter for the Labour Party over the years.

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Does anybody give a flying fig of hat he said?

Everybody has made comments about people they have spoken too.

Myself made a comment about a guy (After we left and was walking back to the car)who was at a Diabetic understanding group, who was being an arse.

Its human nature, and perhaps he should have been more guarded that he had a mic on which happened to be live.

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Sadly this is the reason the BNP is gaining a foothold. When politicians simply refuse to engage with the debate, and prefer instead to simply label people as 'bigoted', it is natural that those people will in time be driven into the arms of a party that will engage with them. The BNP is a monster made in Downing Street IMO.

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Well what can i say.

I have just had my evening meal and put my feet up to watch the news properly. Most of what has happened today i heard about on the radio but to watch and hear what that idiot said and did is shocking to say the least.

If Brown and his cronies get in power following this then there is a serious need to change the election process in this country or we might need to have a revolution.

He knew what he was saying and for him to say it was not intended is just another lie to add to the endless Labours lies we hear every day.

The dark lord Mandelson was quick to try and defuse this but even he had trouble spinning a line that was even remotely helpful to brown.

You can bet the Labour supporters on here will be quick to support him and try and blame this on anyone but the person who said the words.

No one made him say those words no one twisted his arm, They came straight from the soul and proves that he does not give a hoot about the great unwashed that vote for him.

They say that the prime minister is the person that says if the big red button should ever be pushed. Now we find out there are two buttons, One of them is the big red self destruct and Brown pushed it for the Labour party today

Well done Mr Brown BTW Get used to that name because they will not be saying Prime Minister Brown for much longer :D



Thank you Mr Brown for ending Labours chances in the election in such a spectacular way

Thank you Mr Brown for proving to me that you are a complete numpty.


:clap:
:clap:

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And now you got that idiot Harman backing her idiot boss...

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Its like watching the muppets in here some times :D

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Excuse me?

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Well you would know. However i don't see any intelligent comments from you at all in this thread just remarks intended to rise a response so you can drag the thread off topic..

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Ahem....

You are looking at a mirror, not a monitor.....;)

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I see your Cameron with a Brown

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/8.jpg

And raise you a Kinnock....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...7&d=1272481556

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

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Bit like watching Brown in the televised debates then... :erm:

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http://www.feelingretro.com/tv/images/muppet-show.jpg[


Indeed. Which Muppet does he most resemble?

Jim Henson does not count obviously.

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Gordon Brown may as well pack his bags now. What a numpty!

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:rofl: :rofl: Now THAT'S what I call funny!! :D :D

In my mind's eye I can see a picture of Mandelson with head in hands too.... :D



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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8648029.stm

Spain's credit rating has been downgrded - how long before the UK's is I wonder? The EU needs to get to grips with this issue but was it ever really going to be possible for such big club of diverse members to act promptly and decisively in such matters??.. The Eurosceptics in parliament must be lapping this up.

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You think him insulting someone behind their back then giving a crawling apology is funny?

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This guy is so disliked his own party has avoided using his image in adverts as much as as possible, but you like him and think he's the best change the country has.

So, very simple question, would you care to explain your opinions to the rest of us?

Here's a post of mine explaining why his economics have been abysmal, perhaps before you were old enough to take an interest in politics or economics but if you stay in the UK you'll be picking up the tab for his mistakes.

So, again, why would you vote for this? I really don't understand? You are aware that sooner or later your taxes have to pay if by some miracle he decides to live up to his promises on public services, and your taxes will be paying the interest bill and debts he chalked up, along with sustaining his massive public sector spending.

So, please, convert me. After all votes are a pretty important thing, this is a pretty important election and I struggle with the idea you want to vote for someone whose own party dislikes him and whose own minions are presently plotting to dethrone him.

You were aware of Labour's avoidance of his image in leaflets and his successors touring marginal constituencies to chalk up support from the candidates to unseat him, right?

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If I Write on my ballot paper it goes down as a spoilt paper, therefore defeating the object.
What I want to see, and others, is the ballot paper with a legitimate box for " None of the above "

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Yes I realise that's what you'd like but there isn't a box for that so the only way you can currently show you could be bothered to vote but didn't like the available options is to spoil your paper.

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Whatever it was the woman said, is this the man we want as a leader?
He should have risen above it, instead he was found out.
" Who was it who put me there? "
Does this sound like someone who should be leading the country?
Sorry Gawd, but leading this country out of the current mess is more important than moaning about awkward questions.

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And I know what you are saying, but that method has no effect.

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How ironic it is that Brown became PM unelected but, if by some major miracle New Labour win the election, he'll probably be removed having been finally elected... lol

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Makes you wonder what sort of things he says(and does) that we don't get to hear about.

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Precisely, which justifies why I and many others just get on with our normal lives on election day.

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Maybe, but I bet she has her pension credit issue resolved now... ;)

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Surely the same as not being arsed to turn up I guess, I really do not get all of this 'none of the above' business.

If you do not want to vote for any of 'the above' then don't vote, the turnout figures will do that for you surely?

Or would someone like to explain it to me?

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and you think 'none of the above' would have more?.. I reckon it'd have about as much effect as Bliar's petitions on the No10 website.. ;)

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I wonder why none of the debates took place in London. It's seems to be a deliberate statement to avoid the City to avoid criticism of being too focused on London and the South East but given the population density it seems an odd omission.

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Which brings us back to Andrew Rawnsley's claims which were strongly refuted by Brown's cronies of course...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ndrew-rawnsley

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It's just the politician's idea of a consolation prize to the regions for London getting the Olympics.... :D

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Both are pointless, but...

Basically if you don't vote, you're just in the group of "non-voters" and if the members can't be bothered to turn up and spoil their ballots, then they're not likely to vote no matter what, so it's better to concentrate on swaying those who do bother to vote. A non-voter isn't a threat to anyone, the numbers of non-voters can be shrugged off as being never likely to vote anyway so no potential votes are lost.

If there was 80% turn out and 40% spoilt ballots, then that says there's loads of potential votes that a party could have.
These are people who can be bothered to go to the polling booths, and so would vote for a party if they were impressed enough by them.
The media are more likely to pick up on the issue and hammer the politicians with it as it's a clear vote of no confidence.

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Thanks Xaccers :) I understand that better now.

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Somebody with sense.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8639348.stm

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While this argument is sound in principle, its central weakness is in the likely number of people in any constituency who are politically motivated enough to come out to vote and yet not to align themselves with any of the candidates on the ballot.

A typical constituency in England has about 70,000 voters. To expect 28,000 people to turn out with the deliberate intention of expressing support for none of the above is a bit optimistic, I think.

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But would it not be nice to have the choice?;)

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You do have a choice. You can put up a deposit and stand for election yourself. Or support someone else who has chosen to do that. I think it's fair to say there is an independent on the ballot paper more often than not, in any given election.

In the final analysis, personally I just don't think the number of people who would actually turn out and then select 'none of the above' would be worth the amount of Parliamentary time that it would take to pass the measure into law.

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He never did stand on his head & juggle ice-cream :(

Brewster beat to him it...

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/brewster.jpg

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Brewsters Millions - Man they don't make films like that any more! Top film.

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This little fiasco reinforces the subtext of the Neo-Liebour and liberal elites smearing of anyone who disagree's with the policy of open (and uncontrolled/barely controlled) immigration, being a fascist/bigot/xenophobe/racist.... So much for the governments anouncement of 6 months or so ago, that we, the British people needed to have and open and frank debate about the impact of migration into the UK, without that subtext of smearing that has come from the supporters of immigration.... It seems Gordon, in an unguarded moment may well have stated what he truely believes, and for a change not what he thinks the plebs want to hear.

As for his announcement of contrition outside the ladies house.... He looked as genuine as one of my copies of The Mona Lisa.... Namely, not very....

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 3
 

More like nonsense.

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Taxes will have to pay (rise) and that will be irrespective of which party gets elected. And things will get rougher. All as a consequence of a global economic screw up, not something GB cooked up personally (although he could in hindsight have done things differently but then hindsight is a wonderful thing).

It's this annoying emphasis on "personalities" in politics that irks me. I am fully aware that Brown is not blessed with one (a personality) but surely it should be about parties and their policies and not about how a particular political figure behaves or projects.

It's going to be interesting whatever happens. Personally I would not like to see the Tories back on the throne or the Lib Dems sat in it for the first time but then I have very little faith in Labour either.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 3
 

Correct! :tu:

I've just been listening to a succession of shameless New Labour stooges, culminating in that wholly unpalatable hypocrite Charlie Wheelan, claiming everything from Brown's not really like that to it's all been exagerrated by the media. I wonder if former spinmeister Wheelan would have been so understanding of such insults and critical of the the media's role in this had it been Clegg or Cameron who'd slipped up and were getting hammered? No, he'd have been gleefully leading the vitirolic personal attacks and calling for heads to roll just like his former colleagues in the New Labour's miserable grubby smears section Draper and McBride.

This episode has shown up just how these people will say or do anything to try to get votes. The don't give a stuff about the electorate, less still the electorate's concerns. Anyone who disagrees is fair game for any amount of personal attacks - political collateral damage! Only when they get caught out do their true colours show.

Even during his 'sincere' personal apology, Brown's spinners were trying to persuade Mrs Duffy to pose for a handshake photo-opportunity with him. I wonder how much of the 40 odd minutes he spent with her were motivated by and devoted to the 'apology' and how much to trying to persuade her to make a public showing of forgiveness to recover the situation and boost his image? For some people a sincere apology was all that was required from Brown but he couldn't even manage that without blatantly trying to salvage what's left of his tattered reputation.

What this shows yet again is that despite all the regurgitated promises to listen to the people, to respect those with concerns about immigration, encourage debate about it and take action to control it, New Labour's agenda is quite the reverse. They care nothing for the views of the people of this country and gerrymandering on a national scale is what they're about. The utter cynicism and hypocrisy of these people really knows no bounds. They care about one thing and one thing only - their own survival and even their own deluded supporters are fair game!

New Labour - A Future Fair for All (as long as and only when you happen to be of some use to them that is...) :rolleyes:

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Possibly but it'd be even nicer to have someone worth voting for in every constituency... ;)

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And it's in the majority winner's interest to keep them out of the polling stations lest they vote for the other bloke.
I have often wondered if Labour's plan has been to increase voter apathy so that it comes down to which party has the largest number of die hard supporters that would vote for a banana if you painted it red.

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Me too!

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Another tempting idea, except that the conventional wisdom is that it tends to be Labour voters who are more prone to apathy.

Low turnout is a symptom of voters becoming disengaged with the whole political process. They think they can't change anything, due to a lack of real choice, so therefore why bother. I just don't see how adding a 'none of the above' to the ballot paper is going to change that.

Radical electoral reform, not tinkering around the fringes, is the only way we're likely to get any reversal of that apathy.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

HHHmmm - I've now voted :) so the poll no longer applies to me.

But I'm glad it'll (well the electioneering crap) will be over soon.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 3
 

Which is why I said abstaining/spoiling is pretty pointless.
Spoiling would only be less pointless if there was a greater turn out and a large proportion spoilt their ballots.

I don't think electoral reform will do it, look at the European elections, they were PR weren't they? Yet the turn out was only 34% compared with 59% (2001) and 61% (2005)

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Labour's economic policies, which he was the steward of for most of the past decade, are responsible for the majority of the large structural deficit.

Whoever gets in having to make things tougher isn't the point, not rewarding those largely responsible for it being so much tougher on us than other nations by re-electing them and giving them a mandate to continue their failed policies is.

This does of course ignore Labour's disdain for individual responsibility,civil liberties, their totalitarian and relentless social engineering, etc. For evidence of that, please note that the government is the largest advertiser in the country and read their wonderful Equality Act or simply note we have more CCTV cameras per head than any other country in the world and there's little evidence it deters crime.

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... note also that their Big Idea of the Day is to give people the right to petition their local council to install more of the things. They announced this on a platform standing alongside a woman who was horribly burned by someone who assaulted her with a cupful of acid, who says CCTV cameras make her feel safer.

The poor woman obviously has serious psychological issues - who wouldn't, after a horrendous experience like that - and I find it despicable that they are using her to bolster their image, knowing fine well how hard it is for someone to stand up and tell someone who has suffered in such a way that their feelings might not justify what she's asking for.

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Oh Labour's campaign has been as cynical as they come. They seem to think nothing of trotting out people who've had some pretty unpleasant things happen to them and use them to justify their authoritarian policies. The implications are very clear, that if we just listen to Labour they'll look after us and make sure this won't happen to us while anyone else and that unfortunate person could be one of us.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 3
 

I think that is more of a reflection of the fact that people can't be bothered with Europe. Voter turnout for European elections tends to be lower than for General elections in countries that have PR for General elections as well.

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I was thinking while I made my gf's sandwiches last night, if what Gillian said makes her a bigot, then what does "British jobs for British workers" make Gordon?
And then it came to me. A liar.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

Someone should start a book on how many times Nick Clegg says 'old parties' during this evening's debate.

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Someone should send him a book on the history of the liberal party just to show him how old his party actually is.

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The Liberal Democrats are technically not an old party as they are the combination of the SDP & The Liberal Party as was.

The Liberal Party (Whigs) as a separate Party still exists http://www.liberal.org.uk/index.htm

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

That's like saying the AA didn't start in 1905 because they are now a combination of the AA and the RAC's Motor Union.

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Thing is they are still the AA, whereas The Liberal Democrats as a separate and distinct party came about in 1987. ;) The fact that the majority of former Liberal Party people joined with the SDP is another matter. Even the Head Office in Cowley Street came from the join with SDP.

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The existence of breakaway traditionalists and the location or former ownership of party offices isn't relevant. In any merger or takeover of any organisation, there must be a legally identifiable successor who has responsibility for assets and liabilities. The 'Liberal Party' that exists today is not the legal successor of the old Whig party. That title belongs to the Liberal Democrats.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

Oh dear, 1 in 20 votes for Labour on our poll...

Gordon Brown and his failure of a party is in trouble if only 1 in 20 people vote for him come election day.

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Yes you could be right (browns gaff yesterday was truly awful)but what i would say on interent forums by their very nature people most liklely to vote labour may not necessarily hang about in cyberspace.

The electorate as a whole in this campain is very fickle with many yet to decide,i am working in this campain and this time more so then in 2001-2005, there are many more undecideds who may or may not actually vote.

We shall see on the day,the most common reaction by hostile voters in our area so far has been "they all need hanging" but which he meant all politicians.:( Got that one about a week ago.

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Pillock...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

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Spoilsports.:D

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John Prescott has blogged that the Duffy incident was set up by Murdoch/Sky News deliberately - so the Spawn of Satan™ made Gordon say what he said, did he?

btw, love the Labour re-election logo..

http://www.gofourth.co.uk/images/logo-gf.png

Yes, I think a lot of us wish they would go forth (and multiply).:D

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A Labour Spin-Doctor writes:

"What ACTUALLY happened yesterday was that Gordon Brown was overheard responding to a (very topical)question about Hung Parliaments.

Referring to the last time a Hung Parliament happened - 1974 when it led to Edward Heath's resignation - Brown, in a big hurry to get to his next appointment, said that the resignation was "very BIG O' TED.. Come on.."

So please everyone, get your facts right and vote Labour. Thank you."

:D

Hattip to NewStateman blog commenter Andy @ 29 April 2010 at 13:31

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

Nice little conspiracy theory from 2 Jags there.

Actually, who's mic was it? Wasn't it the BBC?

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No it was skys of all peoples mikes to get caught on.!

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I see the heavies are being brought in to stifle "dissent".

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i aregge with you ( i am a Labur Suppter But not Keen on G B) i Have voted 4 Labour By )by post

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The thing is, I was listening to Kate Aidie this morning (although it was actually last night's "Vote Now" show). She said that she spent the early part of her career tailing politicians on the campaign trail. She also said that this sort of thing *frequently* happened. Not necessarily insulting the voters but they frequently said things they shouldn't, which the news crews recorded, but just didn't broadcast.

While I don't like Gordon, he is human. We all make mistakes. We all, also, express opinions, some of which are not good. If you are going to castigate him, castigate him for buggering up the economy, not a mere opinion on someone.

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This is the best reason I have heard for voting Tory LINK

This could cause quite a quandary for all the die-hard Tory voters seeing as the vote is, in essence, like getting the Black Spot, according to the BOE. :erm:

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Nice.....

So one party gets the country into deep poo, another has to fix the problems, and the first party gets back in because uncomfortable decisions had to be made (and then the first party starts the cycle again.....).

Might be nice if people thought of the country and others, not just themselves or their particular political viewpoint.

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That's how it was in the previous cycle wasn't it? Labour trashing the economy, Tories fixing it with some uncomfortable decisions, people losing patience with Tory fiscal restraint and voting for Labour's promises of better public services, Labour abandoning fiscal restraint and again trashing the economy?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Dream on :(

Along with our economy another casualty of Labour's reign has been, in my opinion, individual responsibility. Social engineering, overly generous welfare, increasing taxation on those who are working disincentivising being productive and a 'nanny state' have bred an indifference to one's place in society in many, besides a sense of entitlement from society which Labour are offering to continue to feed.

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Yep, well some people evidently still can't see beyond their rose tinted spectacles into the financial abyss which faces us. I notice their brief foray into actually offering us reasons FOR voting New Labour seems to have been quietly abdanoned...... rather like so many of New Labour's plans, programmes and promises over the last 13 years. Odd that eh??... :rolleyes:

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Oooops - another cock-up, where an MP tweets postal voting numbers (which is against Electoral Law)


Mod Edit (Matt D) - Quote removed as requested due to doubts over legality of posting the information.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

It's a no-win situation really. As he mentioned actually fixing the economy means not wiping people's laurel cushioned arses and forcing them to actually do things themselves instead of relying on the public sector to look after them.

In the case of areas heavily dependent on public sector employment it means a painful, but extremely necessary transition to more productive private sector enterprise. Doable with the right incentives but not pleasant.

Better this gets done though than the next generation pick up the tab. Of course if we get Socialist Spendthrift Mk 2 at some point the cycle repeats again, so what can you do?

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Probably get brushed off and ignored. Hope I'm wrong though.

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Good to see that Nate Silver of the excellent FiveThirtyEight election projection website is paying our election some attention. Good grief the alliteration there was awesome.

Worth paying attention to this guy, his projections tend to be the best you'll find anywhere - he got the US Presidential election near as damnit spot on.

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

It's enough to make you weep, that idiots like the candidate for Bristol East want to be politicians.... I'd rather have a rabid badger running the country, than the anally retarded political classes we have now.... :erm:

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

He's worth keeping an eye on if only for the fact that he's actually trying to model his way past the bizarre and nonsensical 'uniform swing' projections that are still the obsession of every major national news outlet in the UK, even though they have been discredited time and time again.

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Hi Slowcoach :wavey: What's it like to have your fave party headed up by an inept pillock?

Re: The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4
 

I'd have thought re-posting the actual figures was a bit dodgy myself. :erm:

Anyway, those figures don't sound right. Sure its small sample, but how can Labour have nearly 10x everyone else's - especially as its no exactly Labour heartland.

If posting the actual figures is illegal, posting fake results masquerading as genuine figures must be worse.

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Don't want to force people to think by making it complicated now do we?

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Seems it is.:D
IMO One big problem with postal votes is that any electoral campaign is partially over once the voters(or the people who actually fill out the form:rolleyes:) receive the form. Eg the events of yesterday would have had no possible effect on those votes. This means that the legally required gap between calling an election and it taking place, is meaningless.