Mephedrone & "legal highs"
 

The same drug that recienly cost the lives of two teenagers has struck again.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...rotum-off.html

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november 2009

I wonder how many boozzers injured themselves or others the same time ;)

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Actually there's no proof that the drug cost them their lives, especially as they mixed it with methdone..

I'm no supporter of drugs and also think that this drug should be classified, but I do wish that they wouldn't sensationalise reports to do it

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One less idiot in the gene pool..

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I dont believe he died ...

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Maybe so, but will still be unlikely to pass on the idiot genes.

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A scrote now minus a scrotum, natures way of removing idiots.:D

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My sentiments exactly.

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It can't be that bad unless it stimulate Shatners Bassoon or make you cry all the water out your body.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbq3kc29Tmg

The second it gets banned a minor change will be made to the formulation which will then take another good few months to be banned etc. If people are stupid enough to continue taking it after these deaths and testicular removals then banning it won't change a thing.

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Does banning any drug REALLY make a difference to it's use?
Cannabis - illegal, roaring underground trade, no quality control, gets cut with all sorts of stuff
Heroin - see above
Crack - see above
Crystal meth - see above.

repeat until list of prohibited drugs is exhausted.

Quite frankly all that banning a drug seems to do is help organised crime, since they become the main supplier and therefore the ones profiting from it.
The only way to remove a banned substance from circulation is to remove the demand, and we don't have a way of doing that yet.

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Why can't they just ban the drug and all analogs and similar substances?

Opiates are as a wide group either banned or controlled aren't they? You can't make a minor variation to morphine and sell it over the counter anything based on that structure is a no-no isn't it?

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I'm pretty sure each specific drug is mentioned rather than a blanket ban on opiates. Certainly diamorphine/heroin is separate from medical morphine or pure opium.

Not sure about MDMA/ecstasy, there have certainly been cases where people have walked from court when the drugs they have been found with were not actually ecstasy when tested even though they did have similar effects.

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Of course another option would be to legalise pretty much everything bar heroin and crack, tax it, enforce quality control and let people make their own choices...

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That actually makes sense on a number of levels. It should reduce crime as there would no longer be the need to raise vast amounts of money to buy illegal drugs. Also it would help to keep the underclass quietly chilling out on their settees instead of trashing each other in the city streets and giving grief to others.

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The "underclass"?

I, and my brothers, came from "the underclass" (Govan in the 60's and 70's), and between us we became-
a) IT Director at a University
b) Director of Park Services for a major city
c) Electrician, and resident of Jersey
d) Engineer at a nuclear power station

It helps no one when a large number of people who do not have the abilities, drive, or luck to progress in life, are classified along with those who chose not to.

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I would argue that a member of the 'underclass' who has achieved what foreverwar and his brothers have is of far more service to society than an incompetent inbred wastrel with inherited money. After all, one who is striving to achieve is far more likely to contribute something worthwhile to society as a whole than one whose only contribution to society is monetary contributions as they purchase things and contributing to society scandal pages.

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So here we have a number of members calling this youth with no evidence to prove what kind of guy he is.The whole basis of these judgements are the fact he took this legal drug.

So you guys doing the judging. Have you always behaved yourself whilst bladdered? never tried a spilff or maybe a bit of billy? lived a totally clean life ? if you answered no to all but the last question then fair play if you answered differently then you are a hippocrite

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people still get drunk....

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Actually zing, my previous post was entirely based on the actual USAGE of the term 'underclass' not an attempt to label anybody as such. The concept of describing someone as 'underclass' raised my ire on it's own although I did refer to inherited money wastrels.

My reasoning?
Albert Einstein - a patent clerk, certifiable genius, contributed a lot to physics (Even if general relativity is demonstrably wrong)
Thomas Alva Edison - used to sell candy and newspapers on a train.

both could be described as being from the 'underclass'

Conversely -

Paris Hilton - inherited millionairess, arguably 'priviliged' - famous for flashing, being on sex tapes, taking columbian marching powder, and having the intellectual capacity of a pickled egg.

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it didnt aim it at any individual just those who have judged him purely by the fact he has tried this drug . Although I am sure they have staggered home on occassion perhaps singing loadly or disrupting traffic in a drunked haze lol

I to have come from the underclass and to an extent I am still in it although I no longer take illegal drugs although I have tried Salvia which is a legal high also

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Sounds like we come from a similar background then, although my roots are London East End.

The key words here are 'came from'. You and I both had whatever it takes to escape and make something of our lives. The underclass I'm referring to are those without the drive or desire to do more than vegetate and live off our graft.

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how do you know this guy isnt gonna find the cure for cancer or become the greatest world leader ever ?? you said " one less idiot in the gene pool" can I ask have you ever smoked pot?

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During a long and colourful life I have ingested, smoked and injected virtually every mind-altering substance known to man.

I have managed to do this without feeling the need to rip off body parts or kill and mutilate my fellow men.

I consider that my extensive experience in this field qualifies me to make an informed judgement, and I still think the guy's a ********.

Please remember the rules on swearing.We would appreciate you not relying on the swear filter to get you out of trouble.Thanks in advance.

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this guy had a bad trip just because you have been lucky and not does not necessarily make you better than him although with all the stuff you admit you done you judged this youth with no evidence to support his character

I to have extensive experience and I have had a couple of bad trips in my life and have been terrified by them does that make me a ******** also?

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A sensible suggestion?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...on-criminalise

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While I am in no way defending the use of drugs (in fact, I do not agree with the use of drugs), it's worth remembering that they actually cause far fewer injuries than either Alcohol or driving, yet these seem to be considered relatively safe..

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Also, we'll have to assume that all of these 'victims' took this stuff through their own consent.
As has been discussed, all that society can do to provide 'guidance' is to make these substances illegal, but even that cannot and will not prevent people from taking them, and occasionally dying, and even less occasionally mutilating themselves.

He wasn't hit by a drunk driver, randomly shot amid drive-by gang violence, caught up in malfunctioning farm machinery etc.
He chose to take a drug for a cheap thrill and got more than he bargained for.
Tough shizer!
It's not anyone else's fault but his own.

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legalise all drugs. Tax them like fags and booze. At least there will be some money raised to deal with users rather than it all go to the pushers.

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alcohol and nicotine are drugs. There's no difference. In fact they are both highly addictive substances and only legal through custom and practice. If alcohol was newly discovered tomorrow it would almost certainly become a class A banned substance.

Legalise them all and tax them. In a free society everyone should be free to go to hell in their own personal way and that way at least they make a contribution financially for their welfare.

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in fact less people would die form overdose if they all were legal as doses and quality would be monitored. All that making drugs illegal does is put the price up and put the business in the hands of violent criminals

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It makes no difference what background you have, or what position you hold in society, if you take drugs & you rip your stones off whilst under the influence, its your own fault, no one else's.

To deliberately tear ones own scrotum off is not the work of a normal, sane person, hence, one less idiot in the gene pool.

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people experiment and a bad trip is not fun there is no information on this guy and the story is 4 months old . I do not recall seeing anyone mention a follow up story?

Have you never done something and thought that was stupid ? People take risks all the time from jumping out of a plane to climbing a mountain to taking drugs even smoking a ciggarette. Do you smoke btw?

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One of your brothers is Homer Simpson?

Good God!!

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Used to, used to climb, jump out of aircraft too, taken more risks than the normal everyday person, never took drugs though, I`m one of these people who don't feel the need to take drugs to get on a high. If you want the ultimate adrenalin rush, jump out of an aircraft, at night, with full kit. You don't need drugs.

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You smoked thats a drug and its made blatantly obvious what it does to the body :)

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The point is, Zing, even as a smoker, I never felt the need to harm myself, certainly never gave a thought to ripping my nuts off. I got paid to jump, climb, & take risks, I took part in ops which resulted in loss of life, however, we were all 100% aware of what we were doing, & we were all trained to do it.

A high proportion of guys also smoked. Perhaps it is a drug, but so is asprin. There is quite a difference. We don't often hear about people self harming because they smoke though.

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Ok and I do not mean any offense but you know as well as I do the damage smoking does to the body. What is that if it is not self harm?

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I think you will find that my brother, sorry, Homer, is employed as a Nucular Safety Inspector (mostly), rather than as a Engineer....... ;)


Doh!

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^ Excellent article and its ironic that the the scrotum ripping story probably isn't true -

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12...drone_madness/


"As part of the evidence-gathering process, I looked at internet chat forums and blogs where individuals were writing about their experiences both in obtaining and using this substance," he told The Register. He explained it was from these sources that the original mention of scrotum-ripping originated, but that he was "clear in the report that the credence given to this latter sort of evidence should be low: this is an indicator of how much the drug is talked about and common themes that arise, rather than strong evidence for its effects".

The police need to stop visiting 4chan for their 'evidence'.

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It's going to be made Class B 'within weeks'

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problem is with a tweak of the formula some new killer will be straight onto the streets and legal.

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Yep, watching the Home Secretary on Sky News just their he was saying that even though it's currently 100% legal to import he will be ordering customs to seize any shipments of it coming into the UK from now on.

Good idea but why do I get the feeling it'll just end up as a legal battle between the importers and the government with the taxpayer ending up out of pocket through legal fees and compensation.

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Yes and I'm sure they'll be as effective at that as they are at everything else.

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There is a bit of a difference between reading a label on a package and detecting powder inside lead ingots. ;)

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Well I dare say after a ban they'll stop labelling the packets... ;)

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At that point though they will be entitled to seize any mephedrone coming into the country. Until then its a very grey area as you are stopping people bringing a completely legal substance into the country.

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Yep,and what a waste of resources at that.... we have enough REAL criminals on this island,without having to create new ones for activities that were perfectly legal about 100 years ago.

The war on drugs is a waste of time,money and human lives.Not one addict will be saved by all these law enforcement measures,not one kid will be safe from dealers and drugs through prohibition.

What we need is an honest and open debate in this country about how we want to deal with our addictions in the future,cause what we are doing now isn't working,imo.

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Teenagers' deaths 'not caused by mephedrone'

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Like you couldn't see that coming

Was going to say maybe this will make them think twice next time before jumping to a conclusion - but I remembered I'm talking about the press and MPs.

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Yes, it was hardly a surprise.

Maybe one day in the far future we will have an evidence-based drug policy, instead of one which is based upon appeasing the tabloids.