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I don't know if anyone else has the same opion, but but l am getting fed up to the back teeth with these Indian centres.

Every time l call them, they don't know what you are saying, they don't know the answer, why don't they bring them back to the UK, tonight for example, my wife contacted Santander, there call centre was India, and the person couldn't speak English, and didn't know what my wife was saying.

If major companies must use foriegn call centres, then the people that we are talking too, must speak ENGLISH. argh.

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Companies just don't give a damn about their customers Arthur, all they care about is that Indian call centers work for peanuts. :(

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VM now claim that after a fractious start their Indian call centers are now as good as their UK based ones.
Funny thing is though on their business broadband site VM make a big deal of advertising that their "support team is reassuringly based here in the UK".:confused:
I wonder why their residential broadband customers can't be equally reassured??

http://www.virginmediabusiness.co.uk...nd__phone.aspx

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Once I get an offshore CC Worker that I can understand (I have a problem with the accent) I find they usually only toe the Company line and are as flexable as granite. I am not sure but I think this is a culture issue they don't seem to understand the concept of their Job title Customer Care insted they have a mindset of Company Care!

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Arthur, I doubt very much that the person your wife spoke to couldn't understand English. Maybe they had a difficulty with the accent and expressions instead.

QFT. Spot on.

They think they're doing their job right by rigidly sticking to their script and serving the company when in actual fact they should be serving the customer. They have no concept of using common sense and discretion.

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Unfortunately Russ many companies demand that their call centers stick rigidly to the script and act like Borg. Sky was the same, if you went off script to fix a problem you were told off for doing so.
Scripts are there to stop agents having to fully understand what is being said to them and by them in many cases. I know many Sky Tier 1 agents that had to rely on support from other T1s because they had very very basic understanding of PCs, ADSL and the internet but yet were still being placed in a job where they were supposed to competently support all 3.

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I have to say I've never noticed it with UK callcentres. All the ones I've dealt with have generally used common sense where needed.

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Common sense is ok as long as the agent knows what they are doing, unfortunately many centers operate with staff who are not competently trained. To stop errors scripts are used, it also means that all customers should in theory get the same level of support. In theory, not quite the same in practice though.

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In the present times NO jobs should be allowed to be allowed to go off shore.

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Sadly most companies are only interested in their profit margins & have no altruistic values.

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Every time I've finally managed to get a UK operative to talk to (this is with a multitude of companies) I've managed to get some kind of resolution.
The offshore centres are there to appease, patronise and council, not to actually help anyone.
It's simply the 'cheapest' option, with no other criteria.

You can teach an African Grey parrot to speak remarkably clear phrases in English, yet it won't have the faintest idea what any of the words actually mean.

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Some have bought there call centres back to UK cant remember who. I hate talking to offshore call centres but do feel for them, if English is not your first language then it is a major disadvantage especially when you get 'Mr Angry' on the phone.

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The problem is most people that use these call centres are having problems with whatever service so are much more likely to be 'Mr/Ms Angry' before picking up the phone. :mad:

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I understand your frustrations Arthur.
It can be annoying at times.
I never have any problem with them understanding me, but I do often have a problem understanding them!

My youngest daughter has now developed an ear for this type of phone conversation due to a work thing she does when back from uni.

Mind you last month I had a problem understanding a lady from Scotland from a call center! ;):)

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That still may not be anything to be boasting about :D If either were any good This site, and cablehell would probably never have come into existance.

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I`ve certainly had my own share of fun & games with offshore call centres but it`s been the last couple of UK based ones i`ve had that have been the problem, while Sanjeev over in Bangalore did a sterling job just last Friday....supposedly anyway(still waiting).

The Netgear router that we paid VM the Princely sum of £7.50 for when they first began providing the things had recently died a rather glorious death and although i usually always have one or three spare routers lying around i still thought i`d enquire about having that one replaced the next time i had any reason to call......i certainly wasn`t going to call just for the router.
So i eventually have reason to call last week but after dealing with my initial business and then mentioning the dead router i was told i would need to have an engineer come out and look at the thing. "But it`s completely dead" i told the guy......"i`m sorry but i cant just take your word for that" came the reply. None of this would have seemed so bad had he not been another Scotsman.:erm:
I certainly wasn`t taking any time off work just to stay in for a new router though so i politely declined the offer and hung up, rather surprised to say the least.
I`m in stubborn/determined mode by now and so i call again the following day only to get another UK(Wales?) based call centre but this time i eventually have some success.....only some mind you. I`m informed that the computer(his) was having problems and could i call back the following day to make sure the order had been processed ok. So i call back on Friday and this time i get through to Sanjeev over in India. Low & behold there`s no mention of any replacement router having been ordered on my account but Sanjeev had it all done within a matter of minutes.....supposedly.

Just waiting on said new router coming now.:erm:

EDIT: I xpod, reserve the right to amend this post if or when required. :-)

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We do not send out technicians to look at routers and they certainly do not carry spares as they come from a central warehouse and are delivered by UPS, we deal with you over the phone and usually replace it after running diagnostics with you.

Sometimes if you have had multiple routers we will ask you to post the faulty one back to be checked over with full postage paid, your call centre agent was talking through his bottom.

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I like many others have dealt with offshore call centre's (namely Tiscali & AOL), when we had a service with them. I also bank with HSBC who have a call centre in India, but I have found that when I phone them, they're always polite, courteous, and willing to resolve any problems i have.

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I don't think anyone is saying they're not polite. In fact their being almost too polite to the point of negative self esteem can make issues worse.

If I call up a company I'm not too bothered about courtesy etc, I just want my issued understood and dealt with.

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Do you know, I just got off the phone to eBuyer arranging a return. The Agent answered immediately and was straight to the point, couple of questions to confirm my identity, I described the fault, RMA accepted. Thankyou very much for the help. Call ended. Confirmation emails arrive.

Took about five minutes in all. :)

Why can't it always be like that. :dozey:

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Because Mick, apparently this is what the customer wants.
Surveys have taken place and the outcome was customers want what VM deliver in their sickeningly sweet, lip service they offer you.
Technical ability and ability to get the fault fixed or escalated must therefore come after the lip service, yes sir no sir, repeat your name over and again service.

Good lord, your a customer sir; I would have thought you'd know this :p:

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Surveys...Hmmm....let me think..........would they be like the ones that BT and VM conducted to establish that their user base actually desired BTA. :rolleyes:

Surveys, no matter on whose behalf they are conducted, invariably end up giving the result the client wanted it to give. Funny that. :D

Just don't waste your time taking part!

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i think we should wait until the Indian call centres employee cowboy workers

Then we would have a mess of cowboy and indians..:)

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It certainly sounded strange to me but i think he was just being a wee bit stubborn & awkward for the sake of it. He sounded like he`d mabey already had a bad day by time he got lumbered with me, who has being stubborn(when called for) down to a fine art.

One week later though, still no router.
Just called up to enquire why, getting through to India in the process. After giving our phone number to start the account check i eventually explained that a colleague of his had ordered me the new router last week, to be sent via UPS, and could he just confirm it had actually been done. He initially said he could see the order for the new router, to be sent via UPS, and could i confirm that this was right. I agreed that this was right and was then put on hold, listening to Jedward, while he went to check out whatever. Upon returning he now told me there was actually no order for any new router and was my ordering one, to be sent via UPS, what i had originally requested. After again explaining that yes, i had ordered a new router with one of his colleagues last week, to be sent via UPS, but it had still not arrived he then put me on hold again, listening to Jedward, while he went away to check whatever again. Low & behold he was back within minutes telling me that he could now see the order for the new router, to be sent by UPS, and was this what i had requested.......mmmmmmm.....exasperating stuff.

I then spent another 10 minutes explaining that my BB was actually fine, yet again, and that it was just the wireless router that was dead, hence the reason for my call surprisingly enough.
Once again we went through the router/UPS thing with the assurance that his colleague had indeed sent the router and that i should receive it any time soon, at which point he asked for our number so he could call back....the same number i`d just gave him to confirm the account funnily enough.:disturbd:

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This is the one thing I hate about working on a Sunday. I can't say as much as I want to, considering I work for this company...but I dread calling customer services on a Sunday.

But then, I wish I knew how to do everything in this company anyway.

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You are anonymous on Cable Forum! Please, unleash the fury my friend :)

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Just an update on that callcentre/router issue......seeing as it got even more outrageous.
The router still hadn`t shown up a week later so yet again i was on that phone and through to an Indian call center. I cant recall the exact details of that particular call but suffice to say i was now being told that the new router wont be coming after all because it`s been over a year since i bought the thing, hence i`m actually out of the warranty period.......
I`m pretty peeved off at all the time i`ve spent on the phone over the previous few weeks but at least with no new router coming after all i wont have to go back on that phone if i didn`t arrive again....small mercies and all.

So today i`m reading the Dlink throttling thread over in the Internet section and suddenly discover(...doh) that it`s not just a one year warranty on wireless routers but a 2 year warranty......I promptly checked the fridge for a big wet fish to give myself a slap with at this point but it seems were all out of big wet fish.

I just cant help myself so i`m right back on the phone and after yet another painful, repetative call to Bangalore i`m eventually told a replacement router( a dlink this time) is again being sent out but he would need to pass me back on to CS so they could update my router codes......EH?????????:confused:
I cant be botherd repeating myself half a dozen times trying to get him to explain this in more detail so i just thank him and then go through the whole account check/how can i help you routine with CS.
This lady acknowlages the fact a new router has indeed been ordered but she also has no idea why her colleague passed me on to Customer Services as my "router codes" are actually fine. When i press her on exactly what information she has in front of her regarding the replacement router order she eventually tells me she can see that it`s a new Netgear that has been ordered .....EH?????:confused:
When i explain that her colleague over in the wireless department told me it was actually a Dlink being sent she then asked if she could call back within 2-24Hr`s. I protested at this and told her this was not possible as i couldn`t just take time off work tomorrow on the off chance of her calling me back about a router i`d now ordered 3 times. She offered to pass me back to the wireless department instead so thats what i opted for. I used the Jedward time constructively this time round and made myself a coffee.
After going through the same account check/how can we help you routine and of course recounting the farce that my router replacement has become i`m eventually put on hold listening to jedward, yet again. He comes back and once again apoligises for any and all inconvenience caused by his colleagues and assures me the router has definitly been ordered and should be here within 3 working days.....:erm:

Stay tuned.....

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Sunday is not a good day to call as we only have one UK Broadband technical support centre open which is in Scotland, but the are 2 others which are in Dehli and Pune, so a 1 in 3 chance of an onshore call centre.

I would always advise to call during the week and choose the wireless option.

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Unfortunately Sunday is usually my best day to call, regardless of where i might get through to. If it dont turn up this time though then i very much doubt i`ll even bother calling back......I`ll try hard not to anyway:angel:

EDIT: Dont you just hate seeing red in these situation. :p:

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I`m sure nobodies actually interested but i did eventually get our replacement Virgin Router......twice.:)
The first being a completely kaput Dlink that wouldn`t even power on, even with a replacement 5v power supply that i knew to be working.
Many would have been howling at the moon by this point although i couldn`t help seeing the funny side. Somebody was surely sitting somewhere with a little wooly Xpod doll sticking pins in his little wooly router.....ahem.:erm:

I called them back up once again and the nice Welsh chap told me he was sending another router out right away, with a return package to send the dodgy Dlink back. A couple of days later though UPS appeared at the door wanting to collect the Dlink but other than that the working Netgear they had indeed sent arrived another couple of days later.

Mission complete.
Given the chance again though i`d probably use all that time spent on the phone more constructively. :dozey:

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That won't happen anytime soon. The large companies pay too much to the government. That's not to mention the money the government saves by outsourcing it's own operations (where possible).

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While I actually think off shore call centres are a bad thing, it's worth remembering that you get good and bad employees in all call centres, no matter which country they are in.

Why are off shore call centres bad? Well, a few reasons.

Security. Why would they care about selling on account details from someone who is in a different continent. Even assuming they don't, we have quite good protection from the Data Protection Act, but we lose a lot of the protection when the transaction is carried out on another continent.

Language. Even if the worker on the other end of the phone is fluent in English, they may still have trouble understanding some accents. My Turkish friend is fluent in English, has lived over here for years and apparently had a good command of English even before she moved here, but she *still* has problems with some of the Northern and Scottish accents. Combine that with a situation where they may be dealing with technology and it's associated jargon and people who don't know much about that technology, are possibly quite stressed as well, and the fact that some accents get stronger when people are stressed, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Attitude.

I realise UK call centres can suffer from this as well. I personally have found that some call centre operatives are rude. Even offensive in the case of the one who phoned me up last Saturday (6 times) to tell me my computer had a virus, then wouldn't get off the line until I told him point blank that I do know computers and that my computer did not have a virus and hung up the phone. It took a few minutes, but I have to admit, I had fun when he tried to blind me with his qualifications by stating he had an MCSE. I think my degree outranks that, and I have helped on some MCSE courses, so I have a good idea of their content.

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I`ve had that in the past myself. The strangest though was not the occasional implying of Viruses & Malware but the Tech Support lass once telling me she could see my wireless router and it was that that was actually the problem.......when the only router i used at that time was my Desktop with a spare network card.:erm:

The language thing though has often been as funny as it has been annoying. Both me and the other poor bloke have come off that phone in the past with tears in our eyes.

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That's it for me. They simply don't understand our desire for security and DPA adherence and therefore more likely to give in to temptation if offered money to harvest our data.

The other matter regarding language is although they might understand English but they don't get how we use it. They don't understand when we try to emphasis certain points. I remember one documentary showing the training they were getting and in the classroom although they spoke good English they were being taught expressions like "How do you do" and "jolly good". Now I may live in South Wales but never have I heard anyone say either of those in real life, at least not on the scale where it would need to be taught to off-shore callcentre agents.

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You should have asked him which of the no experience or indeed skill required bootcamps he attended to get his paper cert. India is pretty awash with those guys, no clue how anything actually works they just paid their rupees and were trained in how to pass the exams.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...bootcamp+india