DPP charges politicians on expenses fraud
 

According to the Beeb

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8499590.stm

David Chaytor, Elliot Morley, Jim Devine & Lord Hanningfield.

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Woop.

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3 Labour MPs:

Jim Devine, MP for for Livingston

David Chaytor, MP for Bury North

Elliot Morley, MP for Glanford and Scunthorpe

1 Tory Peer:

Lord Hanningfield

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Excellent news.

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They only looked back at the last 4 years of expenses though.

If you or I committed fraud five years ago would we get such leniency?

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Just heard its magistrate's court so its unlikely they will go to prison (max setence is 6 months in magistrate's court), but I think that was a bit of a pipe dream anyway.

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If they are found guilty can the court not refer it to a higher court for sentencing?

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The offence is triable 'either way', and there's obviously going to be a trial, they're not going to quietly plead guilty that's for sure.

Either way means that the magistrates can choose to send the trial to the Crown Court. Even if the magistrates prefer to try it themselves, the defendants can choose to go to the Crown Court. And even if the trial does proceed before magistrates, in the event of a guilty verdict the magistrates can decide, if they think the fitting sentence is beyond their powers, to send it to the Crown Court for sentencing.

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Excellent news and about time too

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did any body read the main report published yesterday

http://www1.sky.com/news/expenses.pdf

it' horrendous

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Not a truly representative sample of our parliamentarians but, nonetheless, for some this will give credence to the notion that New Labour has rather more in common with those despicable, greedy, self serving, Tory toffs than it likes to admit... ;)

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There are of course more Labour MP's ;) Not a third more though. Certainly diminishes any chance they have of claiming they are less corrupt.

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Of course the other person named but not charged is also a New Labour Peer (by complete co-incidence of course)...

It all set me wondering whatever happened about yet another New Labour Peer's housing allowances and a quick search revealed this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6991021.ece

I'm so glad those days of 'Tory sleaze' are over..... :rolleyes:

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You mean the days when a £1million+ donation was made to ensure a certain law was passed or someone making a £1million donation, when they happen to be looking for an exemption to a proposed law that would affect their business. That's before you count donations less than £1million, 'Cash for Honours' and Union donations.

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I am more concerned about MPs having private business interests. How many politicians were discovered to be given advise to businesses or sitting on their boards. Taking money from the taxpayer is one thing, means they are greedy. Taking money from businesses means they have vested interests which may not be those of the electorate.

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If found guilty they should be disbarred for life and made to repay all monies.

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just heard on the itv news that they haven't been arrested nor have they been fingerprinted or had dna samples taken but have been charged

i thought ,and i could be wrong that if you have been charged then you must have been arrested and therefore fingerprints and dna must be taken
could this be the reason ?

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But these are not mere mortals like us evidently,* they're deserving of special treatment...

(* except when elections are near & they like to pretend to understand & even empathise with the troubles of ordinary folk e.g. Margaret Hodge, who suddenly became sympathetic to the view that uncontrolled immigration is a genuine cause for concern after Nick Griffin decided to contest her seat).

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I bet there are a few more waiting for the knock on the door.

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i think there's quite a few who have had a lucky escape reading through that list i posted

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This case might go to the Supreme Court, then the MPs wouldn't have any excuses for not going, its just across the road from Parliament.

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In Scotland you can be reported if the crime is minor and the identity of the accused is known so no need for arresting, fingerprinting and DNA'ing.

I'd imagine England and Wales are the same.

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Still its nice to see that they have realised the level of public anger and are taking their chances in court without trying to wriggle out of it by effectively claiming that MP's are better than the public and above the law.

Oh...

Absolutely no shame. :td: :upyours: :mad:

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it's disgusting that these MP's think they can use an obscure law meant to ensure freedom of speech in the houses of parliament to wriggle out of criminal fraud charges .They all claim they have done nothing wrong ,they all claim they have paperwork to back up there expenses claims and they all claim that a error has been made so why not got to court and proove it ?

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Update...

Link

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Then there is the one who got away because the documents were 'accidentally' shredded.

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Nevermind that. What about Ashcroft? Oh and it's all Maggies fault anyway ©Labour 1997 - 2010 :D

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Geoffrey Robinson, Ron Davies, Joe Ashton, Peter Mandelson, Fiona Jones(convicted of expenses fraud by a jury, but an appeal judge said the law didn't exist in the first place:rolleyes:) and many, many other Labour MPs.

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Former minister Elliot Morley, MP for Scunthorpe, will face two charges in relation to a total of £30,000 of mortgage interest claims on a property in Winterton, Lincolnshire between 2004 and 2007.

The charges allege he made claims "in excess of that to which he was entitled" and - for part of the period when "there was no longer a mortgage on that property".


i shall be watching this one with great interest - claiming this as an oversight is just taking the p... out of all of the Uk's citizens , i want nothing short of gaol for this blatant theft:mad:

oversight my bottom ,if he claims that in court the judge should throw the book at him :mad::mad::mad::mad:

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Yeah odd that.... Now who was it again?... the name escapes me...... :rolleyes:

Dangerous things shredders, you know, especially when they're in the wrong hands! Rumour has it that No.10 has an array of high speed shredders on permanent standby just in case..... :D

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'Expenses fraud' MPs plead with court not to make them sit in dock... and then insist they should not be put on trial

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0hszQ5wFR
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad:

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Absolutely unbelievable.

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Completely shameless :mad:

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Having lost round one in their battle to avoid legal accountability for their actions,....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10293475

... the snouts in the trough brigade have just lost their appeal according to the Beeb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10814765

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Well they've lost their latest appeal in the Supreme Court:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11724838

The impending court case could prove very interesting and not a little embarrasing....

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Good.

String 'em up.

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My day has just got a bit better.

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According to the beeb, former Labour MP David Chaytor has pleaded guilty to 3 charges of false accounting at the Old Bailey.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11904007

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Ho ho ho. :)

So the whole charade of claiming immunity was a desperate waste of tax payers money then? Hope he gets nailed to the wall when it comes to sentencing.

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:tu:

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Ex-Labour MP David Chaytor jailed for 18 months for making over £20,000 in fraudulent expenses claims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12127327

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Good! I wonder if the others might be tempted to change their pleas.

What's the betting there'll be an appeal and subsequent reduction in sentence?

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Good riddance.

He will go down as a fitting legacy of a Labour government.

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Hurrah!

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:clap:

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He`ll probably have to go down on something in jail anyway. :D

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I believe that his name is pronounced "David Cheater".

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Despicable, this guy along with the three others have tried their level best to get out of a trial from the get go, we now know why.
This greedy sod has brought shame upon politics and the Labour party and deserves the sentence he received.
As far as the rest of the so called "honourable members" and IPSA, the body that replaced the old disgraced fee's office goes they have now deemed it not financially worth publishing MP's expense receipts anymore.
I wondered how long it would take for the new independent IPSA to cave in on some of their new rules.

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the ipsa may not be publishing anymore (hadn't heard that) but the info is still going to be freely available though isn't it? ,because it would be financially viable for the press to publish it as i'm sure they will

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Eric Illsley has pled guilty as well.

He's still an MP for now, expect that to change.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is all a ploy to ruin Ken Clarkes plan to reduce the prison population :D

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12157768

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What a fine example these people are to us all eh!.... :rolleyes:

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And Jim Devine. Him getting send down will be almost as good as 'Comrade' Sheridan getting found guilty of perjury.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/78.jpg

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I wonder if by pleading guilty to a lesser amount(ie £14,500) than the amount charged(£25,000), he hopes to get a shorter prison sentence than the other guy who was convicted for a £22,000+ fraud.

If the sentence is less than 12 months, he might be able to still be a MP or at least become one again.

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Breaking news Eric Illsley to stand down as MP

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12174117

MP reports colleagues....
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...xpenses-claims

Hmmm... a disgruntled northern MP - I wonder who that could be?... Anyway, it seems there may be more to come in this sorry tale of people who really ought to have known better!

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we might need a u turn on the decision to close some prisons, at this rate we'll need all the places we can find .

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12275821

:mad:

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Him being found guilty made my day.

Lets hope he goes down for a good while.

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Also his claims seemed to be for the same amount as his overdraft, how very convenient.

I have to say I'm surprised he's taking it to trial, his defence might be a popcorn moment.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12918742

Good!

What a fine role model. :rolleyes:

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What 'e said :)

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Now an ex-MINISTER is jailed for expenses fraud: Weeping Elliot Morley sent down after claiming £30,000 in bogus mortgage claims


Former Cabinet minister Elliot Morley wept yesterday as he was jailed for 16 months for committing the biggest fraud in the parliamentary expenses scandal.
The ex-Labour MP swindled more than £31,000 for mortgage payments from the public purse.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1MycDHdaQ

:clap::clap::clap:

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Great news but............
4 months bird and 12 months tag for 30 grand. If that was advertised as a job there would be a queue round the block

Sends the message that Crime Does Pay If You Are An Ex-MP

:( :confused:

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I wonder if they were tears of remorse or indignation...... :rolleyes:

I do have some sympathy for him and his fellow jailbirds, however, since certain lordly snouts in the "Upper House's" much abused trough seem to have got off very lightly indeed.....

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Another one found guilty. :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13558360

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As one expenses cheat is convicted another is released after serving less than 1/3 of his sentence:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13560351

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As he left court, White said he might appeal adding: "I'm devastated but I have no regrets. I did nothing wrong."


no regrets no remorse - this prat should serve a full prison sentence :mad:

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Lord Taylor goes down for a year:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13599624

For someone with quite a legal brain, apparently, he seems to have had some issues differentiating between the basics of right and wrong.

He'll be out in about 4 months no doubt.....

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At least we now know why they made prison life easier and set up numerous early release schemes in the last few years!

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:rofl: :rofl:

Wouldn't put it past these people!

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14364037

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1/4 of his sentence FGS! Why doesn't this surprise me one iota??..... :mad:

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As usual it's not what you know but who you know.

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TBH I'd rather he was confined to quarters. It means we're not picking up his dinner bills (at last).

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did you really expect him to go to a proper prison and serve a proper sentence he's been in a hotel for gods sake

Hobbies kits during lock-up
In-cell power
Own bedding
Own clothes
Playstation
Television (£1 per week)


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I see. So the rationale behind releasing this git early is to save the taxpayer money then?... :rolleyes: ;)

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i think we are supposed to be apeased do you feel apeased?

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Yes, I feel much better now that someone whose integrity was taken for granted but who decided to cheat the system has been so severely punished. Let this man's terrible, but entirely justified ordeal, serve as a sober warning for others out there who might be tempted to abuse their positions and do likewise!!!... :rolleyes:

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Actually i wouldn't mind 6 months in there myself i am feeling a little run down lately and work has become somewhat of a chore :D

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The thing is you wouldn't get 6 months in there - they'd bang you up in some hell hole somewhere.... ;)

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you're probably right ;)

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Thats absolutely pathetic in my mind.:mad::mad:

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Now Margaret Moran (ex)MP is going to get her day in court:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-14804698

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Yes, a very timely reminder for us all that many of our glorious leaders who've been so vocal in condemn wrongdoing and corruption in the Met, News Intl. etc. etc. aren't exactly beyond reproach themselves.

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One would hope the sactimonious cow would go down for a long stretch for being so blatent about it.

But if past form is anything to go by it will be just a few months in an open prison. After the customery sentence review for whatever she'll be out and about after a few weeks no doubt.

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You're forgetting one thing though Mick ,the way the judges are locking up people for the most trivial of crimes during the riots one would expect her to get at least 10 of the best at her majesties pleasure by way of showing an example to the "criminal underclass".Or is she a member of the criminal upperclass and not subject to the same moral code

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Well " the way the judges are locking up people for the most trivial of crimes during the riots" did cross my mind.

We shall see if or not she is judged to be a member of the criminal upper class.

Nice terminology on your part by the way. :)

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Another criminal has been dealt with to the full extent of the law. :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14881229

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Sounds like he served about 25% of his sentence then. It's so refreshing to see how punitive the sentences being handed down really are eh? :rolleyes:

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It's things like this that give a reason to some people to riot.

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I think you have a valid point.

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Arf!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16203947

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They should repay it, with interest added from the time they STOLE it.

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Excellent news! They're just as bad as those pesky porcine peers..... :mad:

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:woot:

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Bit of a bump, but here we go....

BBC Whilst I have every sympathy with those suffering from stress/depression/etc, I am a little suspicious of this manifestation.

Perhaps if she hadn't fiddled her expenses (allegedly), she might not be so "stressed"?

Must try that one next time I am up in court.....

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Wonder if this depressive illness will prove as long term and debilitating as Ernest Saunders' dementia.... :rolleyes:

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Next time Hugh? :D

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;)

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Do you reckon he's been fiddling his CF expenses and the reputation store cupboard?.. :D