Broadband
 

Hi,

I've got a customer who has broadband in his house and he now wants it in his barn.

The barn is about 90 mts from the house and the only way i can get to it from the house is suspended overhead.

Can i use the external 4 pair BT cable and if so do i connect it using rj45 plugs

thanks

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Is the customer on cable or adsl, also is there a router involved and does he want broadband in the house and barn??

For that distance you'd have to use a suspended Cat5e (or even better CAT6) cable (cable cannot support itself over those distances so you'll have use a support wire)

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i think they are adsl. i can us a cat 6 but whar type is ok for outdoor use

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Wouldn't be better to bury the Cat6 or attach it (to somewhere like a wall or fence)?
I can't really see it lasting all that long being suspended, with the good 'ole UK weather, especially at that distance.


Cat 5e or cat 6

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thee is nothing to attach it to so i will have to use catinry wire

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My main worry if it's suspended for that distance is surge protection.. Any lightning within 10 miles will probably fry the router/hub

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The most ideal situation in my opinion is to dig a trench and stick the cable in some external trunking made watertight.

Suspending cable over that kind of distance isn't really the way to go. If theres a fairly large budget then a laser link would be better if theres line of sight.

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I would also avoid overhead CAT5 or 6 cables. They tend to like being hit in thunderstorms.

Digging a small trench and laying the cables in a plastic pipe for added protection is probably best.

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You could always hook up a couple of cantennas and get you a wireless link over that distance with ease.

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First thought was "homeplug", but: http://www.homeplugs.co.uk/acatalog/faqs.html
Going to outbuildings with them is not certain, as the consumer box and cable length may lose too much signal.

So maybe wireless using gain antennas is the best way - not sure if you can use a directional + non directional combination in "MiMo".

For the cable route, use a top grade surge protector with network protection at both ends, preferably one with a "connected equipment warranty"

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What`s he doing in a barn that needs a broadband connection?

Silly me :doh: The cows need internet access!

joke btw

Seriously you need to get digging, preferably at least 10 to 12 Inches deep, maybe get some bundles of plastic conduit to run it in (you can use elbows, etc to run it in nicely).

Maybe also recommend a surge protection lead like http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/pro...n/410UK/007195

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Ok, how about this one...................................can i not just extend the BT line into the barn using the proper BT overhead cable and then do something with the broadband then.

is it possible to have 2 hubs coming off the same telephone line???

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I take it it's an ADSL system. In that case NO you can not have two modems/routers coming off the same telephone line (hence you were asked the question in post #2 whether they wanted it in both locations)

The ONLY safe ways are as follows

1. Get BT to put in a new phone line (Not an extension) (or get vm cable routed to the barn) and pay for a 2nd broadband
2. Get a decent Wifi system (probably a N rated 5ghz bridged system with directional antennas)
3. Get 100m of CAT6 and bury it in conduits

A suspended cat6 will work, all the way until the nearest thunderstorm which will probably drop out the entire network (the cat6 and suspending wire will act like a huge ground plane for interference and surges). You could get shielded CAT6 but it's really expensive and means extra weight and might still not protect you from local lightning (it doesn't need to hit the wire to cause a surge, anything within 10 miles can cause enough of an EMP

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No brainer imho, though 2.4GHz not 5. I doubt wireless congestion will be a major issue there.

Cantennae as referred to earlier may not be super professional but 90m is easy for them.

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2.4 though at that distance will be to susceptible to interference from anything local within the area, I stated 5ghz as it's a lot better over line of sight with directional antennas

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The distance is really not going to be a problem. On 2.4ghz using a cantenna you can do a mile no problems (I've personally done a cantenna link of over 500m) 100m isn't going to be any sort of problem.

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:rolleyes: I never said the distance would be a problem, deep space probes leaving the solarsystem use just 20w to transmit backj to earth. What I suggested is that 2.4 is more susceptable to interference (mainly due to sharing the band with a million and one devices that are unlicenced and tend to give out a lot of sproggies (technical talk ;) ))

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Well you said over that distance interference would be a problem, my point is that it's rarely a problem over such small distances. If you can't get a full signal over 100m with a cantenna setup you've done something wrong.

One of the benefits of cantennas as well is it's trivial to adjust the polarisation of the signal (you literally just have to rotate the cantenna) so even if you are experiencing interference a quick rotate and you'll likely eliminate it.

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Sorry to hijack this thread - I have a question!

I've got a bit of CAT5e running from a faceplate on the study wall; up the inside of the palsterboard; into the loft and then out through the eves of the roof, down the side of the house and into a hole in the wall, into the lounge and terminated with an RJ45.

I assume this is also susceptible to lightning and the such. I suppose it would be a good idea to remove the patch from the patch point and the RJ45 from the switch during a storm?!

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My first thought was to get a Netgear WNDR3700 router. This has dual band wireless, including 5 GHz which is rarely used domestically. The 2.4GHz band tests well up to 350 feet. That covers your 90 metres. The 5GHz band is weaker on 300 feet, but you get less interference on that because most other router s don't use 5GHz. If you have any trouble you can get a signal booster.
These solutions sound a lot less work than digging trenches and laying trunking.

Retails for £120 at Amazon


http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/results/12499781.png

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Sorry to be a pain but can someone give me their comments on the equipment listed above. i just need to know whether its worth buying a pair of these.

Thanks so much for you advice

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I'm confused here?? You're setting up for a client a network that you have no idea about?? You don't understand the specs of the bridge youve specified and you don't even understand the very simplistic limitations of ADSL, CAT5/6..

So why are you doing it??

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Well actually this is the situation.

I run a Security Company and I have a customer who wants CCTV put into their barn so that they can watch the cows from their house.

The barn is about 90 metres from the house and the options are:

Run the CCTV cable from the barn to the house which means they will only be able to view from the house.

or:

Have broadband extended into the barn which means they will be able to connect the DVR to the internet and be able to log in and view from anywhere.

All i need to know is if the kit I have listed is good enough to do the job, if so I will get it all installed and contact a boffin to do all the technical stuff.

I hope I aint upset anyone but I've always said If you don't ask, you won't Know.

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Would've been nice for the guy to get a welcoming, understanding and non-patronising response! He is here because there are things he doesn't understand. He does security, not networks.

I guess because you do security, you have access to lots of info on security cameras. Anyway here are some wireless surveillance cams that might be what you need for the barn end of your clients set up.

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...CategoryID=370

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Then why is he sorting it out himself, if he's gonna get a "boffin" to do install then why doesn;t his "boffin" advise on the equipment due to his "boffin" being able to do a site survey that we can not.

OK here's my answers to his questions.

1# As an ex-IT professional I can not answer the question without a site survey
2# As a forum user I suppose they will do

My "attitude" is that if he's doing the job for a client then he should have been asking a professional around to do the job properly without asking on a forum ;)

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Thanks for the link, I'll have a look.

---------- Post added at 15:34 ---------- Previous post was at 15:26 ----------

You know, its people like you that screw up this world. I've always been taught that if you can help someone then do so.

As an "ex-IT professional", it should not take you 2 minutes to help me out but oh no !!! its too much bother.

My "boffin" is sorting out his mums funeral at the moment so I didn't really think it was suitable to ask his advice but you know after reading your thread I think I'l give him a call.

I'm so sorry to have bothered you.

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Yep, after a site survey you are perfectly correct that it would take me 2 minutes to say definately yes or no.

As for screwing the world up well that's down to the whole human race but thanks for appreciating my part in it all :D

You don't seem to understand that you're asking a technical question based on so extremely few facts and when asked for the facts you've shown that you understand very little based on what you are trying to do. As such if anyone says to you "YES THOSE BRIDGES WILL DO" they're actually talking out of you know where as you have not given enough info. If you are a professional cctv installer then you should appreciate that you can't give a quote over the phone or even specify that the job can/can't be done until you've seen the place :rolleyes:

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get a life !!!