How to make students even more unpopular
 

Set up a facebook group like this:

http://beta.news.sky.com/skynews/Hom...ised_For_Group

Idiots.

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While it is easy to condemn i remember only too well having to educate my own children on the second world war and all it entailed so i am not shocked that there is ignorance in the youth of today or a compete lack of understanding on their part how offensive they have been. Personally i blame the education system we have and while i am sure some schools do teach about that era in history my kids were educated on china 1923-1949.

They can tell you all about the kuomintang (however it is spelt) mao tse tung and the great march but know nothing about people like hitler or churchill. They covered the right time period but never touched on absolutely anything about the UK, europe or any of the events that happened in that time period closer to home. As so often with our youth the blame for their actions lies somewhere else and the complete failure of other people to properly educate them.

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Prince Harry would be proud of them.:D

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Did they go to a private school? How long ago was this? It's been a key part of the history education nation wide so I find that very surprising. Even the GCSE exams focus on Nazi Germany heavily.

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that's news to me ,my 14 yr old has done nothing on either war as far as i know

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kids eh they love to try and shock us .

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It was shut down due to media attention which you could have found out by searching on Facebook.

But some other fool has launched Hitler: The Drinking Game Tribute.

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should have look at the facbook site and see if we can guess which one will be a future prime minister

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It has been closed already as per my post above, just waiting for the tribute one to be banned.

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I wonder if it's really just a badly thought out attempt at shocking the grown ups. What I mean is that traditionally there has always been a group of teenagers who like to feel they like something that pushes the boundries of what society will accept. They have always had something they can use for this. In the 50s and 60s, it was music and increasingly suggestive dancing. In the late 70s, they had the whole punk scene. The 80s and 90s bought drugs into the mix.

What do they have they can shock us with now? There are people who still do the above at 40, 50 or 60..

I am not defending the students. They are making fun of one of the darkest events in Hunan history. This is wrong.

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correction i just asked him and they do both wars and damien is correct it is a major part of the history gcse

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you may have a point stuart i personnaly wouldn't credit them with the inteligence to do this for any other reason than the shock factor.I would hope that in a few years when puberty kicks in they will be mature enough to realise how wrong they have been

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There is no excuse for any British born and educated teenager not to know about Hitler, WW1 and WW11,the Holocaust,the Cold War the division of Berlin, Martin Luther King,Malcom X as they are part of the GCSE history syllabus and the RE syllabus.

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Didn't know Malcolm X was in the syllabus. What years are you taught about him?

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I think she means this Malcolm X

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So did i.

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Years 9.10.11.

I think Stuart has hit the nail on the head..it's to shock..

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They get them all, my daughter did them and she is 20 and now in Uni but was taught about them in school.

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Since you have to be 13 to legitimately join facebook, and probably to know what the holocaust is, I would probably presume that these people have reached puberty... I knew what it was before I did.

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i was being sarcastic! ....as in not mature enough for puberty :rolleyes:

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i have a Jewish grand mother, my dads mum and didnt know she was Jewish until my sister was doing our family tree and i can always remember someone thinking they were clever saying a joke in her presence "Why did Hitler commit suicide? he had the gas bill" and he apparently knew of her family and wondered why she was horrified.

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With everything going on in the world, is this really what matters? Really worth all the time and effort fighting it?

Distasteful as it was, they weren't doing anyone any harm. They were minding their own business and other people should do the same. I certainly have more important things to worry about than going around and vetting students' drinking games for taste and decency.

Mr Harris' comments disappoint me. I thought WW2 was to give us freedom.

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In that case GCSE History has changed since I had to sit through....

The History of Medicine.
The History of the American West.
The History of Australia.

As soon as I saw that llist of crap I should have swapped to Geography.... :rolleyes:

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Agreed, 100,000 people were killed a few days ago, and were focusing on a few kids drinking games

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My daughter is 18 and my son is 16 and they were taught nothing at all about the second world war during their time in state education, schools attended were welland park secondary, market harborough, leicestershire and robert smyth upper same town. Also none of their friends have any idea either and they attended schools in places like kettering, corby and leicester so forgive me if i am not seeing how this is a major part of history in schools where i live.

Local RBL has taken to giving lectures in local youth clubs to try and raise awareness and understanding of those events for the kids in my area which i think is probably a lot better then soemone reading it who didn't experience it. Those talks have impacted many of the kids as the men telling them their recollections were little older then some of them when they were in the war that seems to have hit home very well.

After asking them last night they didn't just do china they also did the canal system in the UK and how it was built and why but not a single thing on either of the WW's. So if this is a required part of history how the hell is it being ignored seemingly by a number of schools here as surely if it is part of the syllabus they have to teach it or can schools now decide what parts they do or don't teach.

I totally agree there is a shock element in this but i would bet money if you spoke to some of those students they wouldn't know much about the events they are mocking and therefore do not realise how offensive and disgusting this is. As Stuart said students always find something to shock and while i think there should be limits in how shocking you should be if any of those students are like mine and other parents kids round here they really do not know what they are mocking.

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Did they do History GCSE? I mean I thought the syballus is set so it didn't matter where you were you had to learn about Nazi Germany.

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Isn't history a core subject anymore ? and if it isn't why isn't it surely learning of the past should be something everyone does it was a core subject when i was at school. If it is now an optional subject then no they probably didn't do it but again i would ask why learning about your nations past isn't a required thing surely that explains a lot about why some of our youth have identity issue's when they don't even get taught about their nation.

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In my school it was optional at GCSE level. Up until year 10 you had to do History then you chose if you wanted to do History, Geography, Sociology or Religious Studies. Maybe that's the reason.

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It is only optional in years 10 and 11.

Geography,History,RE are core subject between years 7,8 and 9.

Year 9 Study WW1,WW11,Cold war and some post war history.In RE Year 9 deal with the Holocaust,Martin Luther King,Malcom X,Delai Lama and other 20C religious history that deals with human rights.

Also there are new choices at GCSE,Health and Social Care,Philosophy,Travel Business Studies(replacing geography as a choice for some).

Trouble is I cannot see the choices being there as cutbacks take their toll.

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So, throughout the whole eleven to thirteen years they spent at school all they learned in History is about China between nineteen twenty-three and nineteen forty-nine? Flyboy10 spent two whole terms last year on the second world war. He knows a considerable amount about what happened, including the Holocaust. If these students' have chosen to ignore their history lessons then I am afraid it is entirely of their own doing.

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The second world war is part of the key stage three curriculum, did he not go to junior school?

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Aah, then I withdraw my earlier comment.

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You don't have any reason to suspect his kids didn't pay attention.

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This is probably true, but there has to be limits. This was an ignorant, crass and disrespectful display of childish behaviour. The trouble is, because of the nature of this so-called act rebelliousness, it will have undoubtedly attracted the Nazi faithful to the group and served to promote the Nazi ideals.

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I wasn't referring to RizzyKing's children, I was referring to the students.

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No it didn't. People can be very outrageous because they enjoy being outrageous but because they generally hold those beliefs. It's a far cry from idolising or promoting those ideals. If anything it's mocking them, subverting them for (their idea of) comical effect.

Any true Nazi would probably dislike their tone which showed to respect to the Nazi or their ideals.

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My bad. Sorry.

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Indeed, that is the whole point of the national curriculum. I have a niece, who lives at the other end of the country and Flyboy10 and her had quite a discussion on the subject sometime ago, as she was studying the same subject, at the same time.

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As far as I am aware, it never has been compulsory after, what is now, year ten. When I was in the third form we had to take our options and History was one of them. The only "core" subjects back then were engilsh, maths and PE. :D

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I appear to be invisible again..and as a supply teacher currently working in secondary education I thought I had already explained the National Secondary Curriculum. :rolleyes:

But by all means completely disregard what I've posted as I'm bound to be incorrect..Despite having covered History,RE,Geography lessons with Years 7-11 within the last 3 months...:rolleyes:

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You did explain it well thank you Maggy but even before upper school they didn't get taught anything about the war which if they should have been is making me a little angry. In our town this is a constant running dispute as there seems to be differences between what our kids are being taught and what kids in other schools are taught and has led to some quite fierce confrontations between pta's and head teachers and the like.

But on the subject of history as i said kids that went to schools in other towns relatively local also were not taught anything about the world war's with the common response when you ask who churchill was being "isn't that that dog on the tele" which i find a more then a little disheartening. I am not saying all of these students were ignorant in fact someone clearly wasn't as he got the names correct and the context but i do doubt all of them are aware of how offensive and disgusting this is.

Hopefully someone at their uni will now take them all to one side and explain why this "game" is causing people upset and offense and hopefully apologies will be issued by those concerned.

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I don't doubt that those who set this up, and a good number of those taking part, were fully aware of what went on during the period of history they were referencing. The problem, I think, is that they didn't consider (or didn't care) how their jolly student japes might play to people outside their own very narrow peer group.

That's an entirely different problem, and one for society at large, rather than schools, to address.

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There are a lot of problems in this country we as a society need to start addressing sooner rather then later but as long as we have short termism in politics we will get nothing more then what sounds good at the time they want our vote.

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Rizzy, History is a very LARGE subject.As it is large parts that I would deem necessary to teach our youngsters does get rushed through or glossed over.All our Ancient history is barely ever touched on and the way in which History is taught makes it one of the hardest subjects on the timetable.

Children are asked to look at source material and 'infer' what the picture,carving,letter,book extract means.Some of the language used is archaic and the average child from the average housing estate school will not have the vocabulary to understand what they have to infer.Even I as an adult with the vocabulary(acquired from years of avid reading) have trouble with this form of 'self education'.Also much of the 'historical' facts I learned have been currently questioned and found to be incorrect or mere propaganda.Richard the Third being a prime example.

Sadly there are present generations of children who are NOT reading for pleasure but spend a lot of their time game playing or surfing the net.They don't know how to read and comprehend what they read..Something I have seen happen in the classroom with more and more regularity.Many read well but fail to understand what they read and thus fail to internalise what they read.Though there are many who won't admit to not understanding..they won't ask for help and it troubles me as to why they don't feel they can ask.:(

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Why are PTAs having fierce confrontations? PTAs do not have any confrontations, fierce or otherwise, with schools at all.