David Cameron fires the starting gun for unofficial election campaigning
 

While it may not have been officially called i think we can all agree that David Cameron fired the Starting gun for the Election campaign.by giveing that speech the other day this is going to be One hell of a campaign.

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Hell is probably an appropriate word. I'm feeling bored of it already.

The only entertainment will come from seeing how low Labour stoop in a cynical attempt to preserve their power. Given the megalomaniac PM and the unelected and already disgraced hatchet man actually running things it's probably fair to say any sense of morals will go out of the window.

Already signs are there of one angle of attack.

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So, soon we get to vote out one set of liars only in it to make themselves better off financially and vote in another set of liars only in it to make themselves better off financially? Sounds like a waste of time to me since they all make promises they don't keep and they are only interested in making huge cut backs at the moment that will impact lower level local government staff but still protect the up levels.

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We'll see. Always the slim chance that some actual public servants will slip through the net.

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If the cuts mean that we'll lose some of the prodnoses from local government that busy themselves with stuff that should be none of their business it can't come soon enough for me.

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:clap:

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Unfortunately we all know that it won't be these that go, they will offload the cuts onto departments and areas that cannot be cut any further without people losing their jobs.
Our local borough has already told it's departments to make massive cutbacks to the point that some departments are not even allowed to order envelopes or basic stationary without the head of department deciding whether it is worth financial outlay.
Daft cut backs like this will not make the same impact as say removing 1/3 of the figurehead managers that do nothing to actually validate their wages or dare I say it by removing some of the positions created just to keep up with the increased bureaucracy that isn't needed or to keep track of the targets that should never have been set in the first place.
There are many areas of the civil service which are massively over paid, over resourced and overly protected and these are the areas that should be culled.

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Thread title changed.

We won't be having any threads officially called 'Election 2010' until we actually know when the election is. And then those threads will be opened and closed by the team, with opinion polls, week by week, until election day itself when we will have a final thread with an exit poll.

Until then, by all means open topics to discuss specific issues, such as David Cameron's new year's speech, by all means. But do try to avoid the usual all-purpose party political ranting, this is supposed to be a topic based forum after all, so let's try to find topics and then stick to them. ;)

As you were. :)

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Well all i hope is that by the middle of this year i will be celebrating the removal of an unelected numpty and the labour party that put him in charge of us.

I will drink a few whiskeys when that happens :)

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then the task of rebuilding what he and his cronies have destroyed will begin




again.

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Well lets put it this way, If that idiot Cameron gets in to run this country, be prepared for this country to be ripped apart, you will have more pen pushers in government and local government than workers.

The Tories look after the rich people, and not the people that work for the country on lousy wages,

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[QUOTE=Arthurgray50@blu;34938220]Well lets put it this way, If that idiot Cameron gets in to run this country, be prepared for this country to be ripped apart, you will have more pen pushers in government and local government than workers.



unfortunately the idiot Brown has beaten him to it .

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Number of managers in NHS has more than doubled since 1997

Ah. That'll be the tired old class war rhetoric we're expecting this election to be fought on. :zzz:

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No matter what party gets in, we the voter will suffer, we will get these promises, and NOT one will be kept.

Under the tories, everything will go up, they will vote for an increase in pay, whilst we get stuck on so much percent. They will ruin this country like before.

I will vote Lib Dem, in protest against our Labour Mp, who has been fiddling, and is still there.

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MMMmmm when my vote drops on my mat in a few months time it's fair to say I am still not sure who to go for. Still, I have a while to think about it.

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great init :tu:;)

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like the zero percent we are on now ?

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Hmm...what was the Tories' stance on minimum wage?

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Hmmm ... what was Labour's stance on nationalisation? ;)

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Aah...I see, answering a question with a question. How about actually just answering the question, or does that mean you don't actually have an answer?

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Arthur look around you Brown has already gone and done it. If you cannot see it then get a eye test :LOL:

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No, it means you don't like the answer, which isn't really my problem. :)

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Mmmmm - what was Labour's stance on University fees (and then University top-up fees)?

Or is it possible to have a rational, grown up conversation, with the understanding that parties policies evolve and change over time.....

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I'm kind of guessing that nobody is really keen on remembering what the answer to that question is.

Chris, when you actually answer the question, then you can tell me i don't like it, but seeing as you haven't, you can't really accuse me not liking it.

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Of course I can. That's what debate is about. ;)

There's very little point in anyone on here trying to goad anyone else into answering any specific question, when it's obvious that the question is designed to elicit an answer that would give the appearance of conceding a point. You know that, I know that, so let's stop playing games, shall we?

I mean, we can either sit here, dumbly answering each other's questions and pretending we don't know where each other is trying to go with it, or we can just cut to the substantive issue - which is that the policies put forward by a party - any party - more than a decade ago are no guarantor of what that Party might do when next in office.

A fact amply demonstrated by Labour's utter failure to re-nationalise ... well, anything at all, really, with the possible exception of Railtrack, and even there they don't dare speak its name. Even though there's obviously a significant rump of support for good old fashioned socialism in the party grassroots.

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You are all assuming that Mr Cameron is telling the truth...but I'm assuming he is of the same get as Tony Blair and most of the lying, conniving, nest feathering bunch from all parties that have been in Parliament for the last 5 years minimum and some for the last 12 years..

None of them have changed their spotty shorts and I have decided for the first time since gaining the right to vote, to spoil my paper...

None of them is going to tow us out of River Tick any time soon.That will be achieved by us the voters and workers and tax payers getting shafted by all and sundry.

I'm wondering just how many holes I can put in my belt...:(

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I was under the impression that's the raison d'être for CF? :confused:

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No, the main reason is Muslim bashing. Closely followed by muesli-munching, hand-wringing, liberal do-gooder apologetics. Oh, and trying to get people's cable fixed.

:D

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No we are predominately a 'help' site and some of us take that into as many corners as possible including educating others about politics.

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I prefer Chris's explanation, though I think it's a bit unfair to class the entire pitch fork brigade as muslim bashers. I think pitch forks need a separate mention, even if some of them have read a book at some point in their life. ;)

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No I hold to the hope that we are still adults and that though some of us are more adult than others,the likelihood exists that some of us will catch up eventually..;)

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I remember...Micheal Howard said it would cost one million jobs.

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I honestly couldn't care less about what the Tories did when last in power, I care about what their plans are now.

Labour have shown a lack of respect or care for responsibility, both individually and collectively, and have shown a desire to inefficiently centralise everything. The constant politicisation of public services and obsession with targets is also a nightmare.

The attitude of almost encouraging people to not take responsibility for themselves on the grounds that the taxpayer, or perhaps more appropriately the debt markets when there's not enough taxes coming in, will deal with things is just wrong.


NHS hospitals having temporary wards to put A+E patients in so that they can claim to be hitting their targets.

Police wasting their time on paperwork to prove they are hitting their targets.

Schools having to educate purely for exams rather than giving any kind of broader education to ensure they hit their targets.

Of course these targets need people to draw them up, people to administrate the schemes, people to tinker with them, people to assess. Yay more jobs for more pointless civil servants to waste tax payer's money on.

Given the mess that Labour have left the country in financially and socially, as usual, I think though that the best we can hope for is that whoever is in power will be good enough to give the tax payer a reach-around as they take us firmly from behind.

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Fact is no one could be worse then labour and you have twelve years of evidence to go on unless of course your completely blind or a die hard labourite of which i know there are quite a few on here. As for the direct question of do the tories look after the rich yes of course they do and so have labour since they got into power so your point is what exactly ??. Bear in mind that a country with no rich people has few workers either so what do you want no rich people or workers ??. In fact it could be argued that labour have done far more for the rich in the last twelve years then the tories could have ever hoped to do but i doubt that will be agreed on by some.

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Labour 1997 Manifesto
- There will be no increase in the basic or top rates of income tax
- We will provide stable economic growth with low inflation, and promote dynamic and competitive business and industry at home and abroad
- We will clean up politics, decentralise political power throughout the United Kingdom and put the funding of political parties on a proper and accountable basis

Labour 2001 Manifesto
Ten goals for 2010
- Long-term economic stability
- Rising living standards for all
-Expanded higher education as we raise standards in secondary schools
- A healthier nation with fast treatment, free at the point of use
- Full employment in every region
- Opportunity for all children, security for all pensioners
- A modern criminal justice system
- Strong and accountable local government
- British ideas leading a reformed and enlarged Europe
- Global poverty and climate change tackled

We could carry on, but how about looking forward, not back.....

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Also given how labour have manipulated the unemployment figures can we be so sure minimum wage didn't cost a lot of jobs i highly doubt a million but it did cost some i would wager.

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Speaking of unemployment, Gordon Brown stated in 1997 that the Youth unemployment figures of 665,000 he had inherited from the Tories were
It's now nearly a million.:(

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Excellent post :clap:

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IF anyomre has watched the news of the first ' election battle speeches' Labour wanted to know where he was going to save these billions of pounds from, And Cameron, slipped up when he was saying there will be cutbacks as well, plus the NHS.

I don't trust any top party, they both talk a load of crap during the election and we end up the loser, no one can cut the services more then what has happened over the years, and both parties are guilty of this.

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Strange, that, when he said Or would you prefer he ignored the fact that the country is trillions in deficit?

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Hi Foreverwar, You must be a Tory fan, l get involved in rows with my neighbour over this tory idiot.
He does not have the bottle to run this country, he will be another Thatcher puppet, like that grey aired old bugger.

I will vote Lib Dem. wouldn't it be great if THEY woin the election.:)

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grr thatcher

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"Fan" isn't the right word, Arthur - in this country, we call them "supporters" or "voters".

Don't you need to give up on the "Thatcher" diatribes, buddy - she was kicked out (by the man you called her puppet") 18 years ago; should we call Gordon Brown Neil Kinnock's puppet.

Pleased to hear you will be voting Lib Dem - good for you. I am sure Ann Keen will miss your vote.

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And the Tories hadn't done that for the eighteen years they were in? Didn't they change how they calculate it like thirty times during their tenure?

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i hope that figure has been "adjusted down" because it's monday ;)

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:confused:

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Oh, I must remember that one; Miss, miss, he did it first!!!!! ;)

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i'm just highlighting some of the stupid reasons i heard from maggies gov regarding unemployment figures .You are right ,practicly every week the unemployment figures had been "adjusted "to take into account certain conciderations that i could never make any sense of