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papa smurf 02-01-2010 12:16

Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-Bassett.html

http://current.com/16j9k4c


The group's website says the event is being held 'not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military' but of the Muslims its says have been 'murdered in the name of democracy and freedom'.

martyh 02-01-2010 12:39

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34937243)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-Bassett.html

http://current.com/16j9k4c


The group's website says the event is being held 'not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military' but of the Muslims its says have been 'murdered in the name of democracy and freedom'.




That statement doesn't even make any sense,and why choose Wootton Bassett if it's not politicle ?
They are just trying to incite the BNP into going and causing trouble

papa smurf 02-01-2010 12:43

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34937256)
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That statement doesn't even make any sense,and why choose Wootton Bassett if it's not politicle ?
They are just trying to incite the BNP into going and causing trouble

its just aimed at being an insult to our troops -sounds like a recipe for trouble if its allowed to happen .

Sirius 02-01-2010 12:45

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You can bet that there will be blood shed if this goes ahead. You will have the Islamic nutters on one side and the BNP nutters on the other and to be honest it would not surprise me if you have a third group which will be Squaddies who will not want this to go ahead at any cost.

budwieser 02-01-2010 12:53

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Hopefully the police and the powers that be will see this as `HIGHLY` provocative and not allow it to take place. If they want to march then let them do it somewhere else, tensions will be running very high anyway in Wootton Bassett.
I expect they`ll say its their `right` to hold a march anywhere they want to. :erm:

Gary L 02-01-2010 12:54

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I can see the event 'if' allowed to happen to be a lot of trouble. maybe a deciding factor for something.

budwieser 02-01-2010 12:57

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34937266)
I can see the event 'if' allowed to happen to be a lot of trouble. maybe a deciding factor for something.

" maybe a deciding factor for something. " Such as Gary?

Gary L 02-01-2010 13:07

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
I don't know. that it really is them against us. and them are in this country?

best thing to do is just totally ignore them. stay in your homes, close all the shops, don't give them any media coverage.

webcrawler2050 02-01-2010 13:07

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Oh jesus christ. I'm gunna stear clear. There's going to be world war 3 in bassett, if and when this happens. I've just told my collegues whos answer, I won't repeat on here.

nomadking 02-01-2010 13:15

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Are they protesting about these killings?:rolleyes: Silly question I know.
Pakistan volleyball bomb toll up

Sirius 02-01-2010 13:19

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If i was a betting man i would say this is a definite for a riot.

soicky 02-01-2010 13:25

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If they want to protest about the war in Afghanistan than go protest where the people who make the decisions are not where the dead are honoured. Seems like they haven't been having enough media coverage lately and they need another fix.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34937283)
Are they protesting about these killings?:rolleyes: Silly question I know.
Pakistan volleyball bomb toll up

I would say no as that was a suicide bomb and nothing to do with British Forces.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34937274)
I don't know. that it really is them against us. and them are in this country?

best thing to do is just totally ignore them. stay in your homes, close all the shops, don't give them any media coverage.

Yes Anjem choudry and his lot are in this country unless you mean another group by 'them'.

nomadking 02-01-2010 13:26

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But British Forces are there to try and stop the killing of Muslims.

soicky 02-01-2010 13:28

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34937293)
But British Forces are there to try and stop the killing of Muslims.

British troops are not in Pakistan, the only foreign force there are the CIA drones which fly over from Afghanistan and bomb targets.

RizzyKing 02-01-2010 13:31

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Only a moron would allow this to go ahead and only the master of morons would expect no trouble. If they do this a quiet dignified village is going to become a warzone damn quick and neither the people of that village or the country needs that right now. This is absolutely gauranteed to kick off trouble and the worst thing is yes the bnp would go and gain support from a hell of a lot of people for going that in itself is a big enough reason to not allow this putting aside the obvious insult to everything that village stands for. Also when i see marches by whatever section of the islamic community against al qaeda and the taliban i might take their mioral stance a little more seriously as both of those have killed and deliberately murdered more muslims then either the british or americans but i guess that ok in their book complete hypocrites.

martyh 02-01-2010 13:36

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the point is our "murderous" and "merciless" armed forces are in iraq and afganistan to try to give them a better life ,one were they are not beheaded for there beliefs ,one were they can think and say what they want so a bit of gratitude would'nt go amiss

webcrawler2050 02-01-2010 13:39

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34937299)
the point is our "murderous" and "merciless" armed forces are in iraq and afganistan to try to give them a better life ,one were they are not beheaded for there beliefs ,one were they can think and say what they want so a bit of gratitude would'nt go amiss


Just deport them all. Problem sorted.

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 13:40

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If this is allowed to happen it would not be only the BNP who would be there you would have the other groups as the NATIONAL FRONT and also COMBAT 18 as well as there would be a bloodbath .

So lets hope that it does not go ahead for the safety of the town and also to stop this country having a war between citizens as well !

martyh 02-01-2010 13:47

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has there been any condemnation from the muslim community or are they going to sit back and do/say nothing

Sirius 02-01-2010 13:47

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937302)
If this is allowed to happen it would not be only the BNP who would be there you would have the other groups as the NATIONAL FRONT and also COMBAT 18 as well as there would be a bloodbath .

So lets hope that it does not go ahead for the safety of the town and also to stop this country having a war between citizens as well !

You have it bang on there.

papa smurf 02-01-2010 14:11

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34937304)
has there been any condemnation from the muslim community or are they going to sit back and do/say nothing

don't hold your breath .
while you wait for that to happen .

Taf 02-01-2010 14:39

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I think this could mean their "symbolic" coffins actually getting filled....

Sirius 02-01-2010 14:45

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As other have said it will if it happens drive more votes to the bloody BNP :mad:.

They will also been seen by some as defending the name of our lads if this stupid Government allows this to proceed. At the moment this is a win win situation for the sodding BNP. :mad:

TheDaddy 02-01-2010 15:05

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34937304)
has there been any condemnation from the muslim community or are they going to sit back and do/say nothing

What is this Muslim community and who exactly speaks for them? No one speaks for me and nor do I want them to, I wonder how many of the "Muslim community" are happy for people to pitch up claiming to speak on their behalf.

Woolly One 02-01-2010 15:09

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The group's website says the event is being held 'not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military' but of the Muslims its says have been 'murdered in the name of democracy and freedom'.
Just out of interest - murdered by whom?

papa smurf 02-01-2010 15:25

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Leader Anjem Choudary said the protest, involving 500 people, would be peaceful one, with "symbolic coffins" being carried to honour Muslim victims of the conflict. He said he also planned to write to the parents of dead UK soldiers with his version of "the reality of what they died for".


now that's just nasty .

Earl of Bronze 02-01-2010 15:37

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As long as it's muslim's killing muslim's it's fine and dandy, but as soon as the kifur join's in bad....

Anywho.... While I support their right to hold a peaceful march (this is allegedly still a democracy after all), it's obvious that these execrable, asshat's are trying to provoke a fighting reaction. If people like this hate the UK so much, why don't thet just feck off Pakistan. Strap on an explosive waistcoat, and go claim their 72 raisins....

SMG 02-01-2010 15:45

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While this may appear to be a peaceful march, its designed to promote their beliefs that our government, & forces are murderers.

Forget the BNP, & all the other factions, & don't think for one moment the ordinary people will stand by & allow this to proceed.

Let them start to march, then march em straight to the boat, or a firing squad.

Who runs this damned country.


:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Gary L 02-01-2010 15:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34937403)
If people like this hate the UK so much, why don't thet just feck off Pakistan. Strap on an explosive waistcoat, and go claim their 72 raisins....

Because most of them are all mouth, and want the nutter next to him do the dirty work. while he waits around for a big win on the lottery.

martyh 02-01-2010 16:17

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34937374)
What is this Muslim community and who exactly speaks for them? No one speaks for me and nor do I want them to, I wonder how many of the "Muslim community" are happy for people to pitch up claiming to speak on their behalf.


no-one is speaking for you ,but what about the leaders of the mosques ,the men who are important within muslim communities ,if they spoke out more instead of burying their heads in the sand so much then maybe they would get a bit more respect

TheDaddy 02-01-2010 16:28

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34937439)
no-one is speaking for you ,but what about the leaders of the mosques ,the men who are important within muslim communities ,if they spoke out more instead of burying their heads in the sand so much then maybe they would get a bit more respect

Looks to me like they have been speaking out, you/me/the press just weren't listening or else I'd imagine there'd be more than 500 turning up.


Yeah right 500, a pound says less than 50 turn up

RizzyKing 02-01-2010 16:31

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Who are these spokespersons for the muslim community you ask. How about the one's that are on every tele channel everytime there is an attack by islamic nutter's they seem happy to have spokespersons then don't they. Sorry but this is designed for one thing and one thing only and that is to start trouble and if no one has the right to speak on behalf of the muslim community then no one sure as hell has the right to write to the familys of dead service people telling them their version of the events leading to the deaths of their loved one's which arn't the truth as he wasn't there so how doe's he know what he is on about.

This whole thing is making me sick and angry and i would guess that goes for the vast majority and will not be accepted hell if i wasn't so damn useless now if they went ahead with this i would go to wootton. If they despise this nation so much and those who fight to protect us all then they are free to leave and go where the hell they want. But if they are going to stay here and enjoy the many benefits of life in the UK then they need to pull their heads in and shut the hell up because i am sick and tired of hearing whinging moaning gits constantly slagging off this country that they are so happy to stay in.

This sort of thing is what is turning more and more people hostile towards the islamic community and all normal muslims must realise that and start standing up to the idiots in their own community.

martyh 02-01-2010 16:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34937447)
Looks to me like they have been speaking out, you/me/the press just weren't listening or else I'd imagine there'd be more than 500 turning up.


Yeah right 500, a pound says less than 50 turn up



it doesn't matter if it's 500 or just 5 ,it shouldn't be happening, by all means protest against the war in iraq or afganistan there would be a lot of support from non-muslims but to protest on the back of calling our servicemen murderers is wrong and as far as i'm concerened muslims aren't doing themselves any favours

papa smurf 02-01-2010 16:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34937374)
What is this Muslim community and who exactly speaks for them? No one speaks for me and nor do I want them to, I wonder how many of the "Muslim community" are happy for people to pitch up claiming to speak on their behalf.

its funny how there's always Muslim community leaders moaning about one thing and another,up until the point when some one has to accept some responsibility ,then no one's in charge of anything and Islam has no leaders ,neat way of dodging the responsibility .

TheDaddy 02-01-2010 16:40

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34937448)
Who are these spokespersons for the muslim community you ask. How about the one's that are on every tele channel everytime there is an attack by islamic nutter's they seem happy to have spokespersons then don't they.

Do they? I thought some one on the production team would phone up a guest who they either think is relevent or they have a previous working relationship, at no time was anyone Muslim or not consulted on whether thye were happy with the choice of guest. This talk of Muslim communities is BS imo, to pharaphrase some thinktank (oxy)moron it's not very inclusive is it.

martyh 02-01-2010 16:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34937448)
Who are these spokespersons for the muslim community you ask. How about the one's that are on every tele channel everytime there is an attack by islamic nutter's they seem happy to have spokespersons then don't they. Sorry but this is designed for one thing and one thing only and that is to start trouble and if no one has the right to speak on behalf of the muslim community then no one sure as hell has the right to write to the familys of dead service people telling them their version of the events leading to the deaths of their loved one's which arn't the truth as he wasn't there so how doe's he know what he is on about.

This whole thing is making me sick and angry and i would guess that goes for the vast majority and will not be accepted hell if i wasn't so damn useless now if they went ahead with this i would go to wootton. If they despise this nation so much and those who fight to protect us all then they are free to leave and go where the hell they want. But if they are going to stay here and enjoy the many benefits of life in the UK then they need to pull their heads in and shut the hell up because i am sick and tired of hearing whinging moaning gits constantly slagging off this country that they are so happy to stay in.

This sort of thing is what is turning more and more people hostile towards the islamic community and all normal muslims must realise that and start standing up to the idiots in their own community.


what he said :tu::tu:

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34937456)
Do they? I thought some one on the production team would phone up a guest who they either think is relevent or they have a previous working relationship, at no time was anyone Muslim or not consulted on whether thye were happy with the choice of guest. This talk of Muslim communities is BS imo, to pharaphrase some thinktank (oxy)moron it's not very inclusive is it.


All muslim communities have leaders ,people who are highly respected within the community ,usually a mosque leader .These people have quite a lot of say and are very influencial

webcrawler2050 02-01-2010 16:48

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Here here. If this happens, its going to all hell to break loose in Bassett.

SMG 02-01-2010 16:49

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It does make the ordinary peace loving Muslim look a bit sick though. It appears that some of these "Leading Muslims" are all powerful, legends in their own minds, & speak for every Muslim.

It would be refreshing if a group of leading Muslims came out in public, & supported their country of choice for once.

After all, there are Muslims in the British Army, who signed up to do the very job they are doing, you don't see them bleating & moaning.

webcrawler2050 02-01-2010 16:51

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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34937467)
It does make the ordinary peace loving Muslim look a bit sick though. It appears that some of these "Leading Muslims" are all powerful, legends in their own minds, & speak for every Muslim.

It would be refreshing if a group of leading Muslims came out in public, & supported their country of choice for once.

After all, there are Muslims in the British Army, who signed up to do the very job they are doing, you don't see them bleating & moaning.

I expect if this is too happen, then everyone will be there. Army, Police, residents, BNP etc etc. It will be world war. I bet there will be alot of arrests for being "racist"

martyh 02-01-2010 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34937467)
It does make the ordinary peace loving Muslim look a bit sick though. It appears that some of these "Leading Muslims" are all powerful, legends in their own minds, & speak for every Muslim.

It would be refreshing if a group of leading Muslims came out in public, & supported their country of choice for once.

After all, there are Muslims in the British Army, who signed up to do the very job they are doing, you don't see them bleating & moaning.




that would mean they would have to commit themselves to Britain and they won't do that because it suits them for now to be the underdog ,the group who need special treatment ,they are playing us like a fiddle and the British government just sits back and give us away

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 16:58

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34937471)
I expect if this is too happen, then everyone will be there. Army, Police, residents, BNP etc etc. It will be world war. I bet there will be alot of arrests for being "racist"

yes and most of them will be the police :erm:

I need to agree with some on here as shortly my nephew is going to become one of these murdorous gits as they speak of and he is only 18 (yes the same as some of those patriotic people that have lost their lives in conflicts) .

As i have alot of friends who served in IRELAND and have seen their friends shot or blown up due to conflicts and this is what ENGLAND will be turned back too if this is allowed to happen !:mad:

webcrawler2050 02-01-2010 17:01

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I dont agree at all. This is England!!! Not Engla-stan. I dont care, to be honest. What I care is our boys n gals are out their fighting a loosing battle. No supplies, pants equipment, PM thats all "good" in the press but really is being "ordered" by the US. England, needs to grow a set of balls and stand up.

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:04

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34937484)
I dont agree at all. This is England!!! Not Engla-stan. I dont care, to be honest. What I care is our boys n gals are out their fighting a loosing battle. No supplies, pants equipment, PM thats all "good" in the press but really is being "ordered" by the US. England, needs to grow a set of balls and stand up.

True as what did happen to RUSSIA when they tried to invade and sort out AFGHANISTAN after 7 yaers they left after getting their ass kicked by the TALIBAN . S o what are we meant to do ?

webcrawler2050 02-01-2010 17:05

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937491)
True as what did happen to RUSSIA when they tried to invade and sort out AFGHANISTAN after 7 yaers they left after getting their ass kicked by the TALIBAN . S o what are we meant to do ?


Stand up for our rights. Stand up to our Government otherwise, Big Brother is coming.

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:11

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34937495)
Stand up for our rights. Stand up to our Government otherwise, Big Brother is coming.

Well said , but we are not the same as the french and not the same as we used to be where everybody came out to protest as they did in the 70s .

What we need to do is instead of trying to get RATM to christmas no1 . Is all get together on a petition to get our troops pulled out of all conflicts .

Bless all the troops all over the world and a happy new year to them all and lets hope that they are able to celebrate it without no deaths .

LEST WE FORGET

Sirius 02-01-2010 17:14

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937491)
True as what did happen to RUSSIA when they tried to invade and sort out AFGHANISTAN after 7 yaers they left after getting their ass kicked by the TALIBAN . S o what are we meant to do ?

Was it the taliban they were fighting ???

Quote:

Romancing the Taliban
As the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan in early 1989, American policymakers celebrated with champagne, while the country itself collapsed into virtual anarchy. Almost a quarter of the population was living in refugee camps and most of the country was in ruins. Different factions of the mujahideen struggled for power in the countryside, while the government of Muhammed Najibullah, the last Soviet-installed president controlled Kabul. Eventually, in April 1992, Kabul fell to some of the mujahideen factions and Burhannudin Rabbani was de dared president, but civil war continued unabated. Hekmatyar in particular was dissatisfied with the new distribution 0 power. With his huge stock of U.S.-supplied weapons, h began an artillery and rocket assault on Kabul that lasted for almost three years, even after he was appointed prime minister in 1993. "The barrage...killed more than 10,000 Afghans [drove] hundreds of thousands into squalid refugee camps, created political chaos, and blocked millions of exiles from returning." The rest of the country disintegrated into isolated fiefdoms dominated by local warlords.
In 1994, a new group, the Taliban (Pashtun for "students"), emerged on the scene. Its members came from madrassas set up by the Pakistani government along the border and funded by the U.S., Britain, and the Saudis, where they had received theological indoctrination and military training. Thousands of young men-refugees and orphans from the war in Afghanistan-became the foot soldiers of this movement:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Af...A_Taliban.html

Chris 02-01-2010 17:16

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937491)
True as what did happen to RUSSIA when they tried to invade and sort out AFGHANISTAN after 7 yaers they left after getting their ass kicked by the TALIBAN . S o what are we meant to do ?

Sigh ... please, go and read a little history. The facts are not hard to find.

The USSR got a good kicking at the hands of a loose alliance of Afghan warlords collectively known at the time as the Mujahideen. They were well funded by a number of foreign powers, notably Regan's USA.

It was the failure of the Mujahideen to set up an effective government in the wake of the Soviet withdrawl that led to the formation and triumph of the Taliban. Once the Russians were gone, the warlords were more interested in squabbling amongst themselves settling old scores (a very traditional Afghan pursuit). It was relatively easy for the religious nutters to form up and take over, especially as they were being egged on by other religious nutters inside Pakistan who thought that turning an entire country into an oppressive religious theocracy would be an interesting experiment which, if successful, could be repeated in Pakistan itself.

Derek 02-01-2010 17:19

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937482)
yes and most of them will be the police :erm:

Care to elaborate on that? :confused:

Bricktop 02-01-2010 17:23

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Will the police come down hard on them the way they do to the EDL.

This march is just going to attract BNP and other right wing followers, its going to turn into a huge battle royale.

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:23

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34937509)
Was it the taliban they where fighting ???

Yes it was , chek out the 19800 insurrection where OSB got involved as a grop that turned in to al-queda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

martyh 02-01-2010 17:24

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34937512)
Sigh ... please, go and read a little history. The facts are not hard to find.

The USSR got a good kicking at the hands of a loose alliance of Afghan warlords collectively known at the time as the Mujahideen. They were well funded by a number of foreign powers, notably Regan's USA.

It was the failure of the Mujahideen to set up an effective government in the wake of the Soviet withdrawl that led to the formation and triumph of the Taliban. Once the Russians were gone, the warlords were more interested in squabbling amongst themselves settling old scores (a very traditional Afghan pursuit). It was relatively easy for the religious nutters to form up and take over, especially as they were being egged on by other religious nutters inside Pakistan who thought that turning an entire country into an oppressive religious theocracy would be an interesting experiment which, if successful, could be repeated in Pakistan itself.


yep funny how things work out ,the USA funded the Mujahideen simply because it was against the USSR not for any other reason imo ,they funded them ,armed them and now it's come back to bite them and us right up the jacksy ,i wonder what it would be like now if the USA had left well alone ?

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:27

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34937514)
Care to elaborate on that? :confused:

No i do not wish to eleborate on that , but i do have quite a few friend that are police officers and that is the end of that !

pickled_wizard 02-01-2010 17:28

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choudary has got what he wanted - everybody is now talking about it. I doubt whether even a hoon (refer order-order.com for translation) like him would have the undercarriage to attempt actually marching through Wooten Bassett.

But if he does, I'll be there to show my support for the troops

martyh 02-01-2010 17:31

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Originally Posted by pickled_wizard (Post 34937521)
choudary has got what he wanted - everybody is now talking about it. I doubt whether even a hoon (refer order-order.com for translation) like him would have the undercarriage to attempt actually marching through Wooten Bassett.

But if he does, I'll be there to show my support for the troops


well they have threatened in the past but never followed up ,as it stands at the moment they haven't even applied for permission

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:37

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Hey is it just me or do other people have a niggly feeling in the back of my head that this may be a ploy so that they will all be able to log on and search as we are resarching this ? As the security services will be lookin in to all the searches for afghan etc.

papa smurf 02-01-2010 17:38

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937529)
Hey is it just me or do other people have a niggly feeling in the back of my head that this may be a ploy so that they will all be able to log on and search as we are resarching this ?

what ?

Damien 02-01-2010 17:41

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937529)
Hey is it just me or do other people have a niggly feeling in the back of my head that this may be a ploy so that they will all be able to log on and search as we are resarching this ? As the security services will be lookin in to all the searches for afghan etc.

I would hope the security services would have more elegant method of catching possible terrorists than Google..

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:43

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34937531)
what ?

What i mean is that this has been released and been posted on all the news pages . So then somebody will post it on various forums and start a debate on it and then people will start searching for points of view on the subject and that will stop the security services from looking at the data of certain websites ?

papa smurf 02-01-2010 17:44

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34937536)
I would hope the security services would have more elegant method of catching possible terrorists than Google..

cut backs eh

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:45

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34937536)
I would hope the security services would have more elegant method of catching possible terrorists than Google..

Yes iknow but who knows what they use

Sirius 02-01-2010 17:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937529)
Hey is it just me or do other people have a niggly feeling in the back of my head that this may be a ploy so that they will all be able to log on and search as we are resarching this ? As the security services will be lookin in to all the searches for afghan etc.

Ok where did i put my tin foil hat :rolleyes:

Mr Angry 02-01-2010 17:45

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34937536)
I would hope the security services would have more elegant method of catching possible terrorists than Google..

That's one for the Detica Cview thread.

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 17:47

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34937542)
That's one for the Detica Cview thread.

Could not remember the name of the software .

Damien 02-01-2010 17:51

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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 34937540)
Yes iknow but who knows what they use

I don't know but I imagine it's a combination of ground-level intelligence from people positioned in communities marked as possibly dangerous and data from ISPs into the people of interest. They probably also know sites where extremists might gather and look into that as well as people ordering suspicious amount of material which could be used to make explosives. I don't think they google 'Afghanistan'

pickled_wizard 02-01-2010 17:55

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34937541)
Ok where did i put my tin foil hat :rolleyes:

Is 'tin foil hat' rhyming slang for choudary?!?

Sirius 02-01-2010 18:08

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Originally Posted by pickled_wizard (Post 34937549)
Is 'tin foil hat' rhyming slang for choudary?!?


:LOL: no its just this thread took a turn towards the twilight zone for a short while :)

devilincarnate 02-01-2010 18:09

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34937546)
I don't know but I imagine it's a combination of ground-level intelligence from people positioned in communities marked as possibly dangerous and data from ISPs into the people of interest. They probably also know sites where extremists might gather and look into that as well as people ordering suspicious amount of material which could be used to make explosives. I don't think they google 'Afghanistan'

It has been said on news broadcasts and also web pages that they check other sources such as my space , facebook and forums as well ( but i am unable to find these pages , but will keep trying to find them to show what they do )

zing_deleted 02-01-2010 20:02

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I think this is a good idea. Let them have their march. Arrest each and every one of them and deport them to afghanistan irrelevant of where they are from

Damien 02-01-2010 20:14

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What would be even better is if everyone ignored them. No media covage, no one talking about it, and the handful of people who march will be ignored by the people in the town.

papa smurf 02-01-2010 21:00

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34937640)
What would be even better is if everyone ignored them. No media covage, no one talking about it, and the handful of people who march will be ignored by the people in the town.

and send an army sniper to clear out the chaff .

Earl of Bronze 02-01-2010 21:08

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34937663)
and send an army sniper to clear out the chaff .

British Army/Royal Marine Snipers don't do thrill kills, even on talking excrement like these fools.... ;)

Maggy 02-01-2010 22:11

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It would be nice if the citizens of Wootton Bassett did the Klingon ritual and just turn their backs to the marchers in silence.No violence or abuse just a way to register disapproval in a dignified manner.

Stuart 02-01-2010 22:15

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34937663)
and send an army sniper to clear out the chaff .

No, because that would be giving them attention (which they want) and may also make one (or more) of them martyrs.

Russ 02-01-2010 22:16

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34937640)
What would be even better is if everyone ignored them. No media covage, no one talking about it, and the handful of people who march will be ignored by the people in the town.

Wouldn't that just make them 'shout louder' with their subsequent protests? Maybe doing certain actions that cannot be ignored by the media?

Gary L 02-01-2010 22:19

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34937717)
Wouldn't that just make them 'shout louder' with their subsequent protests? Maybe doing certain actions that cannot be ignored by the media?

Such as?

Sirius 02-01-2010 22:25

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34937663)
and send an army sniper to clear out the chaff .

I don't think they will be short of volunteers ;)

Damien 02-01-2010 22:27

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34937717)
Wouldn't that just make them 'shout louder' with their subsequent protests? Maybe doing certain actions that cannot be ignored by the media?

I don't know but the coverage they will get as a result of this will be far out or proportion to the amount of people involved. We will again see the media focus on this very small minority who choose a unpopular and disrespectful (but legal and non-violent) protest as representative of all Muslims. Which is probably what they want, they like the idea of separation. Gives the maniacs more supporters. So why help them out?

RizzyKing 02-01-2010 23:06

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Yes turning the cheek is a fantastic thing for the person in your face gives them a chance to slap both of them. Come on you honestly believe this bunch of hypocritical malcontents would allow any dignified response to them, if they were of that mind they wouldn't be talking about doing this in wootton would they. They are out for trouble and oneway or another they will insure it happens no doubt looking to prove the barbarity of the british people (highly edited footage to appear on some islamic nutjob site soon) if they are allowed within twenty miles.

It's a no brainer it shouldn't even be discussed it should be banned out of hand because any other course of action is going to cause trouble regardless of how much securirty is in place and this is one place in the UK that does not deserve this.

Maggy 03-01-2010 00:13

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34937756)
Yes turning the cheek is a fantastic thing for the person in your face gives them a chance to slap both of them. Come on you honestly believe this bunch of hypocritical malcontents would allow any dignified response to them, if they were of that mind they wouldn't be talking about doing this in wootton would they. They are out for trouble and oneway or another they will insure it happens no doubt looking to prove the barbarity of the british people (highly edited footage to appear on some islamic nutjob site soon) if they are allowed within twenty miles.

It's a no brainer it shouldn't even be discussed it should be banned out of hand because any other course of action is going to cause trouble regardless of how much securirty is in place and this is one place in the UK that does not deserve this.

Oh yes let's just stop being a full blown democracy.:rolleyes:

As far as I'm concerned we have done too much banning of things in the last 10 years..

No I don't imagine that any such march will pass unoticed by the neo nazis but this IS still a democratic country and I will defend to the death anyone's right to protest in a legal and peaceful manner..Those that don't will be arrested and dealt with.

Just because people have a different viewpoint is no reason to ban their right to express it.That is counter productive and will just make more would be martyrs for their cause. I'm positive that the citizens of Wootten Bassett will deal with this protest in the same dignified manner that they have dealt with the dead servicemen from Iraq and Afghanistan.

TheDaddy 03-01-2010 05:54

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34937460)
All muslim communities have leaders ,people who are highly respected within the community ,usually a mosque leader .These people have quite a lot of say and are very influencial

Err yes they'd be the people I mentioned earlier when I said "Looks to me like they have been speaking out, you/me/the press just weren't listening or else I'd imagine there'd be more than 500 turning up"

They still don't speak for all Muslims no more than this Choudray does or Nick Griffin speak for all white people, the numbers turning up show how uninterested in supporting his cause normal people are.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
It would be nice if the citizens of Wootton Bassett did the Klingon ritual and just turn their backs to the marchers in silence.No violence or abuse just a way to register disapproval in a dignified manner.
I think that's what's best to, just with no news coverage either, don't give them the publicity they seek. Can't see it going ahead tbh though the incitment it'll cause means it won't be allowed.

Nidge 03-01-2010 05:55

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Let the demo go ahead just don't police it, we'll see who cries the loudest when some proper British Justice has been handed out.

Sirius 03-01-2010 06:33

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Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34937804)
Let the demo go ahead just don't police it, we'll see who cries the loudest when some proper British Justice has been handed out.

Better still let the squaddies who have lost mates in Afghanistan and Iraq police it :)

Damien 03-01-2010 07:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34937756)
Yes turning the cheek is a fantastic thing for the person in your face gives them a chance to slap both of them. Come on you honestly believe this bunch of hypocritical malcontents would allow any dignified response to them, if they were of that mind they wouldn't be talking about doing this in wootton would they. They are out for trouble and oneway or another they will insure it happens no doubt looking to prove the barbarity of the british people (highly edited footage to appear on some islamic nutjob site soon) if they are allowed within twenty miles.

It's a no brainer it shouldn't even be discussed it should be banned out of hand because any other course of action is going to cause trouble regardless of how much securirty is in place and this is one place in the UK that does not deserve this.

We can't just ban them. Remember that group that were having protests against Islam in areas with muslims? (British Defense League or something) If we allow them then we have to allow others.

Nidge 03-01-2010 09:12

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34937812)
Better still let the squaddies who have lost mates in Afghanistan and Iraq police it :)

You da man. :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: Well said

arcamalpha2004 03-01-2010 09:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34937804)
Let the demo go ahead just don't police it, we'll see who cries the loudest when some proper British Justice has been handed out.

Well put, tell them they can have their march but the police will be elsewhere, protecting the people of this country.
Or perhaps have the police there with their backs turned.

Gary L 03-01-2010 10:00

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LETTER: To the Families of British Soldiers who have died or who are currently in Afghanistan


May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon those who follow the guidance.

Quote:

Following the public announcement of an impending procession by islam4uk (a branch of Al-Muhajiroun) through the Market Town of Wootton Basset we thought it only appropriate that we provide an explanation and a little more about the purpose behind the procession, especially to the family and friends of those who have died there and who may have been led to believe that it is merely an act of incitement or provocation.
We begin by inviting all non-Muslims to Islam, the perfect and most beautiful way of life, a favour from Allah (God) to mankind to take him out of the darkness of worshipping his own desires to the exclusive worship, submission and obedience of Allah alone, without partners and to testify the Messenger-ship of the final Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). We urge you to embrace Islam and save yourselves and your family from the hellfire and not to believe the lies and distortions which the Western media and non-Islamic regimes would have you believe about Muslims and their true intentions. Islam means submission and the Muslim is the one who submits to the will of God in his life. Verily the Messenger Muhammad told us that whoever heard his name from the Jews and Christians and did not believe would be held accountable for that on the day of judgement.
http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affa...in-afghanistan

webcrawler2050 03-01-2010 10:16

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34937871)
LETTER: To the Families of British Soldiers who have died or who are currently in Afghanistan


May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon those who follow the guidance.



http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affa...in-afghanistan


What alod of old tosh in my opinion. It shouldnt be allowed. Tell this group of people to shutup. End of.

papa smurf 03-01-2010 12:08

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Islam4UK says on its website that it is ‘unacceptable’ to honour servicemen in this way who have contributed ‘directly or indirectly’ to the deaths of ‘well over 100,000 Muslims in Afghanistan’.

It adds: ‘As a result we have decided to launch the 'Wootton Bassett March' to highlight the real casualties of this brutal Crusade.’

webcrawler2050 03-01-2010 12:24

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I don't care about their losses. Why should I?

SMG 03-01-2010 12:46

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34937779)
Oh yes let's just stop being a full blown democracy.:rolleyes:

As far as I'm concerned we have done too much banning of things in the last 10 years..

No I don't imagine that any such march will pass unoticed by the neo nazis but this IS still a democratic country and I will defend to the death anyone's right to protest in a legal and peaceful manner..Those that don't will be arrested and dealt with.

Just because people have a different viewpoint is no reason to ban their right to express it.That is counter productive and will just make more would be martyrs for their cause. I'm positive that the citizens of Wootten Bassett will deal with this protest in the same dignified manner that they have dealt with the dead servicemen from Iraq and Afghanistan.


No, we haven't banned enough of these "Protest" marches. These morons are just out to make trouble. As for "Embracing Islam", they can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Its a disgrace for anyone to protest our forces on the streets. You wont need "Neo Nazis" out there, the average citizen is annoyed enough with these fanatics.

If you want to protest against the war, protest against the government, not the people who serve in the forces. You, if anybody should know that. How would you like your husband to march through your home town, to be called a "Murderer", "Baby killer", & all the other crap these dummies spout.

You say its a democratic country? Look again Maggy, its fast becoming a country bent on pandering to foreigners, who simply want to inflict their ideals & way of life upon us. Ragging & calling our troops is a step way too far. If volunteers are needed in Wootton Basset, they wont have to advertise. Pop into your local British Legion & see the mood.

Woolly One 03-01-2010 12:50

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In a way I have to agree with their line of thinking - March against the people that have caused these casulties. HOWEVER wouldn't it be better if they chose to march in Afghanistan & Pakistan? If they really have a greivence against the people who are murdering the innocents. then they should look closer at what is happening to 'their own people' by 'their' peoples own hands.

Gary L 03-01-2010 12:53

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...010/01/137.jpg

RizzyKing 03-01-2010 12:54

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Oh god some of the liberals on here are in full heart on sleeve mode arn't they. When complete democracy means those who protect us and serve this nation can be insulted and wrongly accused by a bunch of whinging miserable malcontents that are happy to moan about everything non islam while sitting on their well fed comfortable backsides in the UK then it is going too far.

There is one place in the UK that unconditionally shows it's respect and admiration for our service people and so that we cling to being a democracy we will allow that one place to be subjected to a load of lie's and accusations. No this is wrong anyway you cut it i have no problem with them protesting and doing it where it counts but that is not wootton bassett it is london.

Don't tell me this is anything but a slap in the face for this country and it's service's out there risking all to try and protact us and this is all about causing trouble anyone can see that. So what we let anyone that wants to cause trouble do it because to stop them would be undemocratic.

I am all for fairness and tolerence and for helping anyone genuinely in need of it but what i am getting increasingly sick of is having that attitude used against me and this country by people that see it as a weakness and something to be taken advantage of.

Leave wootton alone go make your protest elsewhere and if your really so sickened by the UK then please feel free to go somewhere else more to your liking although we all that won't happen because nowhere would keep them as comfortable as we do and tolerate their rubbish.

SMG 03-01-2010 13:00

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Well said.:clap::clap:

webcrawler2050 03-01-2010 13:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34937993)
Oh god some of the liberals on here are in full heart on sleeve mode arn't they. When complete democracy means those who protect us and serve this nation can be insulted and wrongly accused by a bunch of whinging miserable malcontents that are happy to moan about everything non islam while sitting on their well fed comfortable backsides in the UK then it is going too far.

There is one place in the UK that unconditionally shows it's respect and admiration for our service people and so that we cling to being a democracy we will allow that one place to be subjected to a load of lie's and accusations. No this is wrong anyway you cut it i have no problem with them protesting and doing it where it counts but that is not wootton bassett it is london.

Don't tell me this is anything but a slap in the face for this country and it's service's out there risking all to try and protact us and this is all about causing trouble anyone can see that. So what we let anyone that wants to cause trouble do it because to stop them would be undemocratic.

I am all for fairness and tolerence and for helping anyone genuinely in need of it but what i am getting increasingly sick of is having that attitude used against me and this country by people that see it as a weakness and something to be taken advantage of.

Leave wootton alone go make your protest elsewhere and if your really so sickened by the UK then please feel free to go somewhere else more to your liking although we all that won't happen because nowhere would keep them as comfortable as we do and tolerate their rubbish.

Agreed. They chose Bassett for a reason! We all know the reason! I am going to stay out of Swindon, if this happens

SMG 03-01-2010 13:13

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Originally Posted by woolly one (Post 34937987)
in a way i have to agree with their line of thinking - march against the people that have caused these casulties.


Would you shout at the Pizza boy who delivers the wrong sized pizza, or the Manager who runs the pizza shop?

Quote:

Originally Posted by woolly one (Post 34937987)
wouldn't it be better if they chose to march in afghanistan & pakistan? If they really have a greivence against the people who are murdering the innocents. Then they should look closer at what is happening to 'their own people' by 'their' peoples own hands.

Absolutely, but they wont, will they.

webcrawler2050 03-01-2010 13:14

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in a way i have to agree with their line of thinking - march against the people that have caused these casulties.
Are you crazy? Have you seen what these "groups" are trying to do to "our way of life"????

Sirius 03-01-2010 13:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34937871)
LETTER: To the Families of British Soldiers who have died or who are currently in Afghanistan


May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon those who follow the guidance.



http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affa...in-afghanistan

All i see there is propaganda that will give the BNP even more votes :rolleyes:

The numpties in the BNP must be loving all of this.

SMG 03-01-2010 15:20

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http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affa...in-afghanistan


Complete & utter Religious & political crap, peddled by brainwashed morons, possibly sponsored by Al-Qaeda.

:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:

devilincarnate 03-01-2010 15:28

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Just let the GHURKAS have their say on this and let them police the march and lets see what happens ?


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