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papa smurf 02-01-2010 08:38
£15 extra tax on car fines
 
£15 extra tax on car fines: Now drivers face hefty surcharge to compensate victims of violent crime

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0bRij18Sb


By calling it a "victims' surcharge" and applying it to minor motoring offences and parking tickets where there are clearly no victims, the Government is making a mockery of the tax system.

'This is clearly another stealth tax designed to plug Britain's huge debt.'

zing_deleted 02-01-2010 08:50
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only its not very stealthy is it lol

nomadking 02-01-2010 08:55
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'Stealth' refers to the hidden purpose/intentions.

zing_deleted 02-01-2010 09:08
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I know what the word stealth means jebus. The fact that everyone knows what the intentions are nowadays means its no longer stealthy is the actual English definition of the word

Peter_ 02-01-2010 09:11
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It will have Parking Attendants ticketing more cars and more and more speed cameras and mobile speed cameras put in place so that the car driver can be forced once again to foot the bill for something that has escalated out of control.

Gary L 02-01-2010 09:12
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2010 is going to be cheaper than 2009 at this rate.
I wonder if were going to riot this year :)

zing_deleted 02-01-2010 09:18
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well if nothing else at least we get to vote for who runs the country instead of having an unelected leader

Osem 02-01-2010 14:01
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What? Another new tax from the party who had 'no plans to raise taxes..' Surprise, surprise..... :rolleyes:

Taf 02-01-2010 14:46
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I know several people who were victims of crime who were subsequently refused any criminal compensation despite the offenders being imprisoned.

One guy was off work for 2 months with bloody scars slowly healing all over his body. He got no compensation as he had "consumed alcohol prior to the (unprovoked) attack on him".

So who IS getting this money?

nomadking 02-01-2010 14:55
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£15 surcharge to help victims of domestic violence or sex attacks.
Women?
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Since 2007, a £15 surcharge has been added to the fines of all people convicted of a crime, to raise money for support services for crime victims.


TheDaddy 02-01-2010 14:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zing (Post 34937157)
well if nothing else at least we get to vote for who runs the country instead of having an unelected leader
Great, meet the new boss, same as the old boss......

Peter_ 02-01-2010 15:05
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We have a Labour government trying to emulate previous Tory governments under the title of New Labour and all that will happen in the summer is a change of name and we will continue to be screwed by the party in power.

Anyone who thinks for one second that Tory values cover the man in the street must be wearing rose tinted glasses.

This time next year people will be saying the same thing about Camerons party.

Welshchris 02-01-2010 15:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34937144)
£15 extra tax on car fines: Now drivers face hefty surcharge to compensate victims of violent crime

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0bRij18Sb


By calling it a "victims' surcharge" and applying it to minor motoring offences and parking tickets where there are clearly no victims, the Government is making a mockery of the tax system.

'This is clearly another stealth tax designed to plug Britain's huge debt.'
I have to disagree with part of that statement... Parking offenses can cause victims.. On the road i live in we have a doctors surgury and people have a habbit of parking on the double yellow lines and across the slopes in the pavements meant for wheel chair users to get on and off the pavements and late last year a woman in a wheel chair couldnt get off the pavement and fell out of her wheel chair because of this.

Gary L 02-01-2010 15:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34937371)
This time next year people will be saying the same thing about Camerons party.
I personally couldn't care less if Cameron were to be the same as Brown. as long as it's not him.

Peter_ 02-01-2010 15:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34937378)
I personally couldn't care less if Cameron were to be the same as Brown. as long as it's not him.
He rightly should have been elected and virtually everyone will agree with that.:)

Derek 02-01-2010 15:36
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Of course if you don't speed/use a phone while driving/ go through red lights etc. you won't pay any fine let alone a 'victim surcharge' ;)

Meanwhile back in the real world it is a fairly shameless attempt to get more money in. I don't think for a second the money raised by surcharges is ring-fenced to ensure it goes to 'victims' and like the recent increases in seatbelt and registration plate offences does nothing to address the root cause and is purely about getting money in.

I'd wager important parts of my anatomy that one of the new targets (that don't officially exist anymore) will be to target road deaths via seatbelt tickets and other traffic crime by doing people for having dodgy number plates.

andyandy 02-01-2010 15:46
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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34937402)
Of course if you don't speed/use a phone while driving/ go through red lights etc. you won't pay any fine let alone a 'victim surcharge' ;)
Exactly what I was thinking.... Dont do the crime, dont pay the fine and all that..

Just hope that the extra revenue is actually given to those who should be getting it

Cobbydaler 02-01-2010 15:59
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The trouble is, it doesn't go directly to the 'victims' but to 'victim services'. Apart from the percentage that gets swallowed up in administration costs, there is a significant amount of unpaid compensation out there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The BBC
The levy has raised nearly £4m in 2007/8 and £8m in 2008/9 for several victim services including Victim Support, the Victims Fund and the Crown Prosecution Service's witness care.
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Originally Posted by The BBC
John Thornhill, chairman of the Magistrates' Association, criticised the levy system, saying the money was going to victim support agencies, rather than the victims themselves.
His association is calling for a victim fund to be established so that when magistrates order for compensation to be paid to a victim, it can be paid in full immediately.
"There's £40m of unpaid compensation so if you were a victim and awarded compensation, the chances of receiving that compensation are very, very low," he said.

SMG 02-01-2010 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34937402)
Meanwhile back in the real world it is a fairly shameless attempt to get more money in.


So, Its getting worse & in the near future, can we expect this?

Parking fine £30.00
Domestic Violence tax £15.00
Attendants fees £25.00
Administration fees £25.00
Photo services £10.00
Hire of attendants uniforms £15.00
Attendants Kit-Kat & Coffee £6.00
Winter surcharge £10.00
Post & Packing £8.00
Handling fee £6.00
V A T @ 17.5% £26.25


Total to pay £176.25

Cheque enclosed.



.:erm:

Derek 02-01-2010 17:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34937451)
So, Its getting worse & in the near future, can we expect this?
On the brightside your chances of getting done are practically non-existant seeing all the cops are inside the station drinking tea and keeping warm. :mad:

papa smurf 02-01-2010 17:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34937508)
On the brightside your chances of getting done are practically non-existant seeing all the cops are inside the station drinking tea and keeping warm. :mad:
and given it takes 3 days to respond to a plea for help i see your point .

SMG 02-01-2010 17:16
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I dont blame them in this weather m8.:)

arcamalpha2004 03-01-2010 10:08
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Two words " Stealth Tax "
Somebody has to pay for the British Economy going down the pan, the bankers bonuses, mp's expenses etc;

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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34937513)
I dont blame them in this weather m8.:)
Must be murder leaving Wii Sports ;)

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Originally Posted by andyandy (Post 34937408)
Exactly what I was thinking.... Dont do the crime, dont pay the fine and all that..

Just hope that the extra revenue is actually given to those who should be getting it

Ofcourse, after the admin fees have been taken out, you know how these things work.
There is someone at the top on a nice little wedge and benefits, their money comes out of where?
In a way it's like the CSA, the wayward father pays the CSA £20 per week the child gets £7.

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Originally Posted by Welshchris (Post 34937376)
I have to disagree with part of that statement... Parking offenses can cause victims.. On the road i live in we have a doctors surgury and people have a habbit of parking on the double yellow lines and across the slopes in the pavements meant for wheel chair users to get on and off the pavements and late last year a woman in a wheel chair couldnt get off the pavement and fell out of her wheel chair because of this.

That is caused through selfishness, it will not be cured by increasing fixed penalty notices, lining up and shooting the perpetrators might make others think twice, I know thats rediculous, but so is the thought that increasing fines will stop the problem.

Flyboy 03-01-2010 10:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34937153)
It will have Parking Attendants ticketing more cars and more and more speed cameras and mobile speed cameras put in place so that the car driver can be forced once again to foot the bill for something that has escalated out of control.
Hey, what about a really radical solution? I wonder if anyone can guess what it would be.

Gary L 03-01-2010 10:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34937894)
Hey, what about a really radical solution? I wonder if anyone can guess what it would be.
We give up. what is it?

Flyboy 03-01-2010 10:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 34937422)
The trouble is, it doesn't go directly to the 'victims' but to 'victim services'. Apart from the percentage that gets swallowed up in administration costs, there is a significant amount of unpaid compensation out there.
But then:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6973689.ece

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Between April 2008 and January 2009 the surcharge raised more than £6.6 million
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“The MoJ spends over £360 million a year supporting and compensating victims. It is right that offenders should contribute towards these services.”
So, it raises six million pounds, but three hundred and sixty million pounds is paid out. Now, even my maths says that more money is paid out than is raised. Which says to me that any surplus (where, I cannot see) is used to pay for such services.

What is wrong with supporting the victims of crime, do you not think that providing support services for victims is a worthwhile pursuit?

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Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34937870)
That is caused through selfishness, it will not be cured by increasing fixed penalty notices, lining up and shooting the perpetrators might make others think twice, I know thats rediculous, but so is the thought that increasing fines will stop the problem.
So, you don't think that someone falling out of a wheelchair deserves to be compensated for their injuries? Selfishness aside, a criminal offence has been committed and someone has been injured because of it.

arcamalpha2004 03-01-2010 10:51
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Flyboy, did I say that someone falling out of a wheelchair is undeserving of compensation?
No.
We live sadly in a large selfish society, where no matter what is thrown at people they ignore the consequences.
The other day alone I spotted two able bodied people parking in disabled bays at the front of an asda, would the thought of being caught and hammered with a £60 fine stop them? if it did you could guarantee that within five minutes of them driving off someone else would do the same thing.
Sorry, its a stealth tax, nothing less, and the real issue is not being tackled.

Gary L 03-01-2010 10:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34937905)
What is wrong with supporting the victims of crime, do you not think that providing support services for victims is a worthwhile pursuit?
We are all victims of crime from the MP's expenses, the war in Iraq, and the banks.
We should claim all put claims in for suffering loss, expense, and lack of sleep.

Toto 03-01-2010 10:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34937153)
It will have Parking Attendants ticketing more cars and more and more speed cameras and mobile speed cameras put in place so that the car driver can be forced once again to foot the bill for something that has escalated out of control.
Only if you drive over the speed limit and park illegally.

Yes, it is as simple as that.

Gary L 03-01-2010 10:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34937916)
Only if you drive over the speed limit and park illegally.
But that is a 'crime' that you have commited yourself. but are punished by having to pay for somebody elses crime. a crime that is totally unrelated to you and your car.
that isn't what justice is about. it's not even what the law is either.

Flyboy 03-01-2010 11:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34937911)
Flyboy, did I say that someone falling out of a wheelchair is undeserving of compensation?
No.
We live sadly in a large selfish society, where no matter what is thrown at people they ignore the consequences.
The other day alone I spotted two able bodied people parking in disabled bays at the front of an asda, would the thought of being caught and hammered with a £60 fine stop them? if it did you could guarantee that within five minutes of them driving off someone else would do the same thing.
Sorry, its a stealth tax, nothing less, and the real issue is not being tackled.
Should selfish people not be punished for breaking the law? Should they not pay compensation to victims?

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34937918)
But that is a 'crime' that you have commited yourself. but are punished by having to pay for somebody elses crime. a crime that is totally unrelated to you and your car.
that isn't what justice is about. it's not even what the law is either.
Try telling that tot the people who have been injured, or the families of those who have been killed, by speeding drivers.

Before the bandwagon starts up, about the causes of accidents and speed, it is a given that the chances if injury and death are greatly reduced the slower the vehicle is moving.

Gary L 03-01-2010 11:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34937923)
Try telling that tot the people who have been injured, or the families of those who have been killed, by speeding drivers.
Have you forgotten what the extra £15 is for?

Quote:
Motorists guilty of minor 'crimes' such as parking misdemeanours are to be hit with a £15 surcharge to help victims of domestic violence or sex attacks.

Flyboy 03-01-2010 11:21
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That was a newspaper's reportage. The money collected from these "surcharges" is not specifically earmarked for those instances. These support services are part of a collection of funding destinations.

Gary L 03-01-2010 11:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34937933)
That was a newspaper's reportage. The money collected from these "surcharges" is not specifically earmarked for those instances. These support services are part of a collection of funding destinations.
If you went to court on a driving charge and was told that you have to pay the normal fine associated with that charge plus an extra £15 to pay towards the woman who got beat up by her boyfriend. you'd say this isn't justice.
but we'll let it happen because we're all the crazy British.

They'll put an extra £15 on everyone who works, council tax soon. it'll be to pay for the victims of road accidents.
an extra £15 on your TV licence. it'll be to pay for the victims of flooding.

haydnwalker 03-01-2010 18:43
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I agree with Gary on this actually. Why should a MOTORIST pay for crimes completely unrelated to motoring...

I could understand if for example Mr A attacked Ms X, was caught and got a particular sentence including costs plus the £15 surcharge to help victims of such crimes. But they target motorists yet again because they don't know who else to take it from!

papa smurf 03-01-2010 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by haydnwalker (Post 34938216)
I agree with Gary on this actually. Why should a MOTORIST pay for crimes completely unrelated to motoring...

I could understand if for example Mr A attacked Ms X, was caught and got a particular sentence including costs plus the £15 surcharge to help victims of such crimes. But they target motorists yet again because they don't know who else to take it from!
what if we all choose not to pay and insist on prison instead ?

haydnwalker 03-01-2010 18:55
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Well...I won't pay because I don't break the law :)

papa smurf 03-01-2010 18:57
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Originally Posted by haydnwalker (Post 34938224)
Well...I won't pay because I don't break the law :)
we could all do it to stick it to the man [i heard that on tv ;)]

Flyboy 03-01-2010 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by haydnwalker (Post 34938216)
I agree with Gary on this actually. Why should a MOTORIST pay for crimes completely unrelated to motoring...

I could understand if for example Mr A attacked Ms X, was caught and got a particular sentence including costs plus the £15 surcharge to help victims of such crimes. But they target motorists yet again because they don't know who else to take it from!
Because if you break the law, why should you get a choice. The simplest answer is not to break the law.

Gary L 03-01-2010 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34938248)
Because if you break the law, why should you get a choice. The simplest answer is not to break the law.
Don't bite people! :)

Mr Angry 03-01-2010 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by haydnwalker (Post 34938216)
I agree with Gary on this actually. Why should a MOTORIST pay for crimes completely unrelated to motoring...

I could understand if for example Mr A attacked Ms X, was caught and got a particular sentence including costs plus the £15 surcharge to help victims of such crimes. But they target motorists yet again because they don't know who else to take it from!
For the record I categorically deny ever having attacked Ms X.

papa smurf 03-01-2010 20:11
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34938270)
For the record I categorically deny ever having attacked Ms X.
didn't president Clinton say something similar :D

SMG 03-01-2010 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938272)
didn't president Clinton say something similar :D

He certainly did, the dirty lucky devil!:D

Peter_ 03-01-2010 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34938272)
didn't president Clinton say something similar :D
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...010/01/134.jpg

Toto 04-01-2010 05:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34938252)
Don't bite people! :)
But he is spot on.

These additional fines count for naught if people drove within the speed limit and parked their vehicles responsibly.

Yes, the government is targeting drivers again.....BAD DRIVERS. The simple fact of the matter is, they are easy targets because the never learn.

WelshPaul 04-01-2010 05:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34938459)
But he is spot on.

These additional fines count for naught if people drove within the speed limit and parked their vehicles responsibly.

Yes, the government is targeting drivers again.....BAD DRIVERS. The simple fact of the matter is, they are easy targets because the never learn.
I agree, this will only effect those who choose to break the law or those who need to re-take some driving lessons. (Not just for their safety but everyone's)

The amount of people who zoom straight through red lights or those doing 50 or 60 in a 30 zone is just shocking down my way. :td:

arcamalpha2004 07-01-2010 22:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34938459)
But he is spot on.

These additional fines count for naught if people drove within the speed limit and parked their vehicles responsibly.

Yes, the government is targeting drivers again.....BAD DRIVERS. The simple fact of the matter is, they are easy targets because the never learn.

Oh to live in a perfect world hey?
And the government target ALL drivers every day, whether you do 30 in a 30 or 45 in a 30.
Almost a pound of every litre of fuel is tax.
Car parking charges when we pay road tax.
So, just because you may not speed or jump a red does not mean you're not being taken for a ride!

Flyboy 08-01-2010 09:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34941031)
Oh to live in a perfect world hey?
And the government target ALL drivers every day, whether you do 30 in a 30 or 45 in a 30.
If you can't do the time............

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Almost a pound of every litre of fuel is tax.
Really? Where did you hear that?

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Car parking charges when we pay road tax.
So, do you think we should be able to park anywhere we want?


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So, just because you may not speed or jump a red does not mean you're not being taken for a ride!
Aah well, the ever increasing costs of motoring, no one is worse off than anyone else.

Earl of Bronze 09-01-2010 00:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34941031)
Almost a pound of every litre of fuel is tax.
While fuel duty is extremely high in the UK, its not quite that high yet. ;)

The below is quoted from : http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

Quote:
On 1 April 2009 the duty rate for unleaded petrol and diesel was icreased by 1.84 ppl to 54.19p per litre and again on 1 September 2009 by 2 ppl to reach the current level of 56.19 per litre. These rates will be increased further on 1 April 2010 to 2013 by 1% above inflation each year.

arcamalpha2004 09-01-2010 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34941151)
If you can't do the time............



Really? Where did you hear that?



So, do you think we should be able to park anywhere we want?




Aah well, the ever increasing costs of motoring, no one is worse off than anyone else.

Sorry Flyboy I fell asleep after your first line :dozey:
Confusing not wearing a seatbelt with a real crime like murder.
Confusing talking on a mobile phone while driving with a real crime like mugging.
This is the issue with our governments, not tackling the real issues, paying people tax payers money to find ways of wringing more money from us.
And yes, if I pay road tax I should be able to park anywhere free so long as I am not causing an obstruction, or do you like throwing money after bad?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34941537)
While fuel duty is extremely high in the UK, its not quite that high yet. ;)

The below is quoted from : http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

Sorry Earl if you did not see the tongue firmly in cheek, but my calculation wont be far from wrong very sooner than you and others think.

Flyboy 09-01-2010 20:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34941946)
Sorry Flyboy I fell asleep after your first line :dozey:
Confusing not wearing a seatbelt with a real crime like murder.
Confusing talking on a mobile phone while driving with a real crime like mugging.
This is the issue with our governments, not tackling the real issues, paying people tax payers money to find ways of wringing more money from us.
And yes, if I pay road tax I should be able to park anywhere free so long as I am not causing an obstruction, or do you like throwing money after bad?
Rubbish! Using a mobile phone whilst driving is a serious offence, it kills people, or do not think that is serious enough? Not wearing a seat belt kills peopel as well, parents who are stupid enough to allow their children to travel in a car without wearing a seatbelt, deserve considerably more than just a fifteen pound surcharge. As for parking, you are very selfish. If everybody believed as you, where would you park, when you want to park wherever and whenever you want? Seeing as everyone else be be parking wherever they want. Let me ask you, why are there speed limits, why is it illegal to drive whilst using a mobile phone and why is it illegal to ride in a car without wearing a seatbelt?


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Sorry Earl if you did not see the tongue firmly in cheek, but my calculation wont be far from wrong very sooner than you and others think.
Again, rubbish! You decided to throw some exaggerated figure into the air thinking it will add weight to your argument, but got caught out.

Gary L 09-01-2010 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34942013)
Rubbish! Using a mobile phone whilst driving is a serious offence, it kills people,
It actually doesn't. it can be a factor when an accident occurs from using one.

Quote:
Not wearing a seat belt kills peopel as well,
it actually doesn't. it could save your life in an accident. but it doesn't mean you are automatically killed from not wearing it.


Not displaying your road tax is serious, and there should be no need to do it now with the technology available.

Chris 09-01-2010 21:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34942023)
It actually doesn't. it can be a factor when an accident occurs from using one.
Your pedantry could probably kill someone Gary, if it made them bang their head against their monitor hard enough ... ;)

In fact, using a mobile phone whilst driving, even handsfree, compromises your reaction time to a greater extent than if you were just slightly over the legal drink-drive limit:

http://www.directline.com/about_us/g..._travelled.gif

Source: http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_27022009.htm

Gary L 09-01-2010 21:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34942026)
Your pedantry could probably kill someone Gary, if it made them bang their head against their monitor hard enough ... ;)
I've learned that pedantry is a requirement on here. ;)

arcamalpha2004 10-01-2010 06:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34942013)
Rubbish! Using a mobile phone whilst driving is a serious offence, it kills people, or do not think that is serious enough? Not wearing a seat belt kills peopel as well, parents who are stupid enough to allow their children to travel in a car without wearing a seatbelt, deserve considerably more than just a fifteen pound surcharge. As for parking, you are very selfish. If everybody believed as you, where would you park, when you want to park wherever and whenever you want? Seeing as everyone else be be parking wherever they want. Let me ask you, why are there speed limits, why is it illegal to drive whilst using a mobile phone and why is it illegal to ride in a car without wearing a seatbelt?




Again, rubbish! You decided to throw some exaggerated figure into the air thinking it will add weight to your argument, but got caught out.


Because there are speed limits do not mean those imposed speed limits are right, or justified even.
Have you not heard of the 85 percentile rule?
If not come back and I will explain.
Speed is only a very small factor in accidents.
Where would everyone park if they did not have to pay? erm.... where they park now!
No need to buy more land to build car parks, all that changes is people are not charged.
If you're so for the surcharge how do you feel about the victim of domestic violence paying their own compensation?
Lets take this to the rediculous, a person being ticketed could thump the issuer then basically claim their fine back through a claim to the criminal injuries board.
Stealth tax, end of.

TheDaddy 12-01-2010 06:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34942026)
Your pedantry could probably kill someone Gary, if it made them bang their head against their monitor hard enough ... ;)

In fact, using a mobile phone whilst driving, even handsfree, compromises your reaction time to a greater extent than if you were just slightly over the legal drink-drive limit:
Compromises some peoples reaction times, I heard a radio report just the other day saying the risk for some is a lot less than it is for others and I'd imagine a lot of the "others" shouldn't be on the road at all

arcamalpha2004 12-01-2010 08:27
Re: £15 extra tax on car fines
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34943365)
Compromises some peoples reaction times, I heard a radio report just the other day saying the risk for some is a lot less than it is for others and I'd imagine a lot of the "others" shouldn't be on the road at all

Another money spinner for the Government?
All drivers to take a reaction test, and pay £30 for the pleasure.
Those found to have an over average reaction are exempt from the mobile phone ban, those found to have poor reaction are banned from driving for life.
Seems to sort it.

Flyboy 12-01-2010 16:48
Re: £15 extra tax on car fines
 
I'd go along with that and I volunteer to pay for everyone in our village.


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