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Sirius 26-12-2009 12:23

So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
As the title suggests who would come off worse under the law.
http://current.com/items/91770103_ma...at-thieves.htm

ME i would give the guy a medal and a new bike. :)



**********EDIT************ Link changed

Derek 26-12-2009 12:27

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
Spur of the moment action in apprehending two criminals who (I assume) he has seen commit a violent crime.

Can see it being written off as a reasonable course of action.

Sirius 26-12-2009 12:33

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34933305)
Spur of the moment action in apprehending two criminals who (I assume) he has seen commit a violent crime.

Can see it being written off as a reasonable course of action.

That is my take on it as well.

martyh 26-12-2009 12:42

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
fair enough the police might prosecute in this country but the thieves would most likely be encouraged by no win no fee lawers to take out a civil lawsuit for injury, loss of earnings ,damage to the motorbike and general discomfort;)

Maggy 26-12-2009 12:51

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Don't look at some of the other links,some of those videos are just nasty voyeuristic vigilante style stuff.Most unpleasant to watch mob justice.

Derek 26-12-2009 12:55

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And if by some miracle they were jailed then they could say being called 'prisoner' was against their human rights and try to get compensation. :rolleyes:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/147240

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Bernard Pennington, who is serving life for a frenzied attack on his wife with a machete, claimed the term “prisoner” was derogatory and a breach of his human rights.
Thankfully there is still a tiny amount of common sense left and he was told where he could go.

Gary L 26-12-2009 13:01

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He looks like Jet Li when he walks up to them after they come off the bike. then he lets me down and runs away :)

Sirius 26-12-2009 13:11

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34933319)
Don't look at some of the other links,some of those videos are just nasty voyeuristic vigilante style stuff.Most unpleasant to watch mob justice.

I have changed the link so it does not corrupt anyone :)

webcrawler2050 26-12-2009 13:48

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WOWZers! Thats amazing! What a good dead to do!

Paul 26-12-2009 13:55

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34933302)
As the title suggests who would come off worse under the law.

The thieves would get a slapped wrist, and compensation from the bike thrower for any injuries etc.

The bike thrower would, of course, be fined and jailed.

Maggy 26-12-2009 15:48

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34933326)
I have changed the link so it does not corrupt anyone :)

Thanks but I wasn't really criticising I was giving a warning so others wouldn't get too upset.;)

Hom3r 26-12-2009 16:46

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
Well I reckon the two theives days on earth are numbered, as Chinese law will proberly have them executed.

IIRC, There was a case in the UK a few years ago armed robbers gunned down a security guard and made off on a bike.

A guy in a brand new car chased and rammed them causing serious injuires to the bad guys and wrecking his car in the process.

The robbers got life, he got a replacement car paid for by the bank.

Flyboy 26-12-2009 23:51

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 34933346)
The thieves would get a slapped wrist, and compensation from the bike thrower for any injuries etc.

The bike thrower would, of course, be fined and jailed.

Why?

martyh 27-12-2009 00:00

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34933578)
Why?


because in this country he would most likely have been deemed to have used excessive force ,endangered the public ,caused distress to the criminals thus infringing on their human rights and generally upsetting the fabric of the universe ,but havn't you heard david cameron said he is going to look at the rules regaurding the public attacking criminals ;)

Flyboy 27-12-2009 00:16

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Would that be the same as his "hoodie hugging" policy then?

As the criminals were quite clearly none the worse for wear after their encounter, it would seem that reasonable force was used, therefore there would have been no call for any prosecution for the man who threw the bicycle. Ergo, I fail to see the point of the original question.

I presume this a counter argument to the Munir Hussain case. There is hardly much of a compassion to be honest, is there? Hussain and his gang beat the living daylights out of someone and this person threw a bicycle, not quite the same.

martyh 27-12-2009 00:20

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34933601)
Would that be the same as his "hoodie hugging" policy then?

As the criminals were quite clearly none the worse for wear after their encounter, it would seem that reasonable force was used, therefore there would have been no call for any prosecution for the man who through the bicycle. Ergo, I fail to see the point of the original question.

I presume this a counter argument to the Munir Hussain case. There is hardly much of a compassion to be honest, is there? Hussain and his gang beat the living daylights out of someone and this person threw a bicycle, not quite the same.


i said cameron was going to LOOK at the legislation ,possibly admire the font or the paper NOT actually do anything ;)

and yes i agree that case you mentioned was way ott but that promted cameron to speak out ,is there an election due or something ?

Sirius 27-12-2009 00:28

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34933605)
,is there an election due or something ?

Yes and Labour are going bye bye :LOL:

Stuart 27-12-2009 00:56

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Funny how the one person I am certain has some direct experience of the law (Derek S) has stated that this may be considered a reasonable course of action. Others (whose experience of the law may or may not be limited to what they read, see and hear in the media) have said it won't.

My own personal belief (assuming it came to court in this country) is that it would be considered a reasonable response. Certainly any halfway decent barrister would point out that had they not nicked the bag and rode away at high speed, he would not have thrown the bike at them, and I'd be surprised if any jury disagreed with that assessment.

Remember people, our legal system requires that a jury (made up of people like you or I) decides whether people are guilty or innocent. Those jury members are likely to have pretty much the same feelings about a crime that we do, but they often have access to much better info on that crime.

Flyboy 27-12-2009 01:07

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34933622)
Funny how the one person I am certain has some direct experience of the law (Derek S) has stated that this may be considered a reasonable course of action. Others (whose experience of the law may or may not be limited to what they read, see and hear in the media) have said it won't.

My own personal belief (assuming it came to court in this country) is that it would be considered a reasonable response. Certainly any halfway decent barrister would point out that had they not nicked the bag and rode away at high speed, he would not have thrown the bike at them, and I'd be surprised if any jury disagreed with that assessment.

Remember people, our legal system requires that a jury (made up of people like you or I) decides whether people are guilty or innocent. Those jury members are likely to have pretty much the same feelings about a crime that we do, but they often have access to much better info on that crime.

Although I agree with the general aspect of your post, the incidents are separate issues; the theft and the apprehension. Although they are sequential and sequitor, the results are not exclusive, each event would be measured by reason and not consequence.

martyh 27-12-2009 01:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34933622)
Funny how the one person I am certain has some direct experience of the law (Derek S) has stated that this may be considered a reasonable course of action. Others (whose experience of the law may or may not be limited to what they read, see and hear in the media) have said it won't.

My own personal belief (assuming it came to court in this country) is that it would be considered a reasonable response. Certainly any halfway decent barrister would point out that had they not nicked the bag and rode away at high speed, he would not have thrown the bike at them, and I'd be surprised if any jury disagreed with that assessment.

Remember people, our legal system requires that a jury (made up of people like you or I) decides whether people are guilty or innocent. Those jury members are likely to have pretty much the same feelings about a crime that we do, but they often have access to much better info on that crime.

quite agree with you stuart ,the problem in this country though is people ending up in front of the jury in the first place when a bit of simple common sense applied or a cps that actually worked would prevent such cases ever getting to court in the first place

LondonRoad 27-12-2009 02:04

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34933601)
I presume this a counter argument to the Munir Hussain case. There is hardly much of a compassion to be honest, is there? Hussain and his gang beat the living daylights out of someone and this person threw a bicycle, not quite the same.

You probably didn't notice this in the video but it was a top of the range Apollo Bruce Lee - including sharpened star accessories(Exclusive to Halfords - currently on sale at £99.99) ;) Hussain aspired to own one of these. :erm:

punky 27-12-2009 16:40

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
Most people are supporting the cyclist here... But here's a thought:

Say when it happened the motorbike went out of control as the rider was knocked off and the it mounted the pavement and killed a civillian.

Then what?

sollp 27-12-2009 18:31

Re: So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34933391)
Thanks but I wasn't really criticising I was giving a warning so others wouldn't get too upset.;)

But now you have pointed it out I viewed them, so if you hadn't said anything I wouldn't have been curious;)


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