Originally Posted by Bricktop (Post 34932737)

Its really ****es me off when **** like this play the Human Rights card.

Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34932769)

Why should he not have his human right to a good old family life in the 'land of plenty'?

;)

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34932998)

Here we go again...:rolleyes:

Why should this guy receive a more severe punishment because he is an asylum seeker? He already served his sentence for the hit-and-run crime. I agree, a few months in prison seems very little punishment for what he did, but that has nothing to do with being an immigrant does it?

Would you be happier if he was "born and bred British"?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34932780)

Yes, it's as if that bits been enshrined in EU law isn't it?..

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34932998)

Here we go again...:rolleyes:

Why should this guy receive a more severe punishment because he is an asylum seeker? He already served his sentence for the hit-and-run crime. I agree, a few months in prison seems very little punishment for what he did, but that has nothing to do with being an immigrant does it?

Would you be happier if he was "born and bred British"?

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34933004)

Except they haven't. The Human Rights Act & the European Convention on Human Rights have nothing to do with the EU.

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34932998)

Here we go again...:rolleyes:

Why should this guy receive a more severe punishment because he is an asylum seeker? He already served his sentence for the hit-and-run crime. I agree, a few months in prison seems very little punishment for what he did, but that has nothing to do with being an immigrant does it?

Would you be happier if he was "born and bred British"?

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34933473)

Funnily enough, I was talking to a Spanish lady (from Zaragosa) two nights ago, and she was saying exactly the same thing (only about Spain) - how all the Brits (and others) abuse the Spanish health system, how they perform criminal acts but aren't deported, how they rarely try to learn the native language.

Strange, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34933682)

I'll give them my credit card number so they can pay for his ticket back to Iraq. **** like this need putting down.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 34933691)

Can we go half's on that :)

Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34933695)

I still go with the rubber ring in the channel myself.:D

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34933473)

Funnily enough, I was talking to a Spanish lady (from Zaragosa) two nights ago, and she was saying exactly the same thing (only about Spain) - how all the Brits (and others) abuse the Spanish health system, how they perform criminal acts but aren't deported, how they rarely try to learn the native language.

Strange, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34933748)

I agree entirely but that is a problem for Spain to deal with. I like most people around here are concerned about the problems in my own country not Spain.

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34933820)

So, if a Brit goes to Spain, commits a crime, (say abuses children) he should be deported back here?

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34933820)

So, if a Brit goes to Spain, commits a crime, (say abuses children) he should be deported back here?

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34933831)

It would be interesting to know the figures of how many serious crimes are committed by Brits abroad, and then compare them to serious crimes committed by foreigners in this country.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34933831)

I would happily accept that rule.

It would be interesting to know the figures of how many serious crimes are committed by Brits abroad, and then compare them to serious crimes committed by foreigners in this country.

I would have thought the main crime caused by Brits in Spain for example are by boozed up tourists or Soccer supporters, not Brits who have emigrated to Spain or seeking asylum there.

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 34933848)

what he did was wrong, but why would anyone hope the same happens to him. you're just as bad as him if you think that.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34933833)

Why?

Is there any reason to assume or believe that crimes commited by foreigners in the UK are more serious than Brits abroad?

Originally Posted by sollp (Post 34933836)

Is that so you can get satisfaction by saying Brit's living abroad commits crimes, so when people come to live in this country and do the same, somehow that rights a wrong?? Do you and others who peddle the same line get satisfaction knowing this but not actually helping the situation in either country?

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34933856)

I thought EU citizens couldn't be deported from another EU country? You can be refused entry like Geert Wilders was but not deported.

So all this talk about deporting Brits from Spain is moot isn't it?

Originally Posted by Broadbandings (Post 34933832)

Absolutely. He is abusing the hospitality of that country and should be immediately deported here, if that country elects to follow that course of action. Same should apply anywhere. Unless you're a citizen of a country you should absolutely be sent back to whence you came if you abuse its' hospitality.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34933857)

I said 'It would be interesting to know', I did not assume or say. If details were made available the facts would be clear for all to see.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34933857)

I am just aware of the number of cases reported in this country where the criminal appears to be foreign or from a family with background from another country.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34933857)

Even a look at this months Crimewatch most wanted pictures appear to show a trend. There are 8 criminals listed and only 2 of them are white, perhaps the BBC is being racist

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34933857)

I said 'It would be interesting to know', I did not assume or say. If details were made available the facts would be clear for all to see.

I am just aware of the number of cases reported in this country where the criminal appears to be foreign or from a family with background from another country.

Even a look at this months Crimewatch most wanted pictures appear to show a trend. There are 8 criminals listed and only 2 of them are white, perhaps the BBC is being racist.;) I guess there could be some truth in that old BBC joke... 'The BBC have been told to balance the ratio of ethnic to white appearances, so they will now be showing Crimewatch twice a week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crimewatch/wanted/index.shtm

---------- Post added at 15:25 ---------- Previous post was at 15:20 ----------



I don't quite understand your logic!

I said in my post that I agreed that Brits should be deported for committing crimes in another country. These people should serve their sentence in their home country, I disagree with serving sentences first and then being deported.

Although I understand how it would be a problem with many corrupt countries, because it could not be guaranteed the country would indeed make them serve their sentence. My method would be to do whatever is necessary that a foreigner committing a serious crime is never allowed entry to this country again. If other countries want to follow the same rules against british criminals that's fine with me.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 34933988)

If you come her and claim asylum, one would expect you to be extremely grateful and abide by the laws, rules and customs of the country.

If not, then get out!!

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34933876)

But why would it be 'interesting to know'?



Are you also aware of the number of cases reported where the criminal appears to be British? Or White? Or in the country completely legally and working/studying?



Do you mean 'white' or 'British'?

Originally Posted by sollp (Post 34933900)

My,"Logic" is why nearly every time when this subject is bought up, do i hear the same response at some point, what difference does it make what Brits do in other countries. It's for the country they reside in to deal with that problem, dosen't affect or justify or whatever happens over here.

And as for the BBC be racist because of what you say happens on Crimewatch is absolute rubbish, if the crime has been commited by a Black person, should they put a white person in its place for the photo fit just to balance it out!
You watch Road wars,street crime uk ect and you will see very few black people if at all, are these programme makers ever going to be accused of criminalizing white people??

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34935039)

It is very difficult to answer the points that you have carefully extracted, my broad view is that we have:

Foreign criminals, those that enter the country either illegally as asylum seekers or illegal immigrants and commit crimes. I also include in this group those that have obtained a visa to legally visit this country, and those coming here from countries that do not require a visa.

British criminals I split into groups, there are the british criminals that are born here and there are the british criminals that are of foreign descent who have been granted british citizenship.

For me there is another group, and those are second/third generation british that are born to UK citizens. Reports of foreign looking british citizens often state that they may have fled overseas to country x where they have family ties.

Why would I find it interesting to know about foreigners committing crime? Well, I believe the facts should be reported and not withheld for any politically correct reasons.

---------- Post added at 12:55 ---------- Previous post was at 12:44 ----------



I still don't understand your logic. I for example am not worried about how my neighbours are going to pay their gas bill, I am more concerned with paying my own. Perhaps that is how we differ ?

The UK has a legal system to deal with criminals, Spain has a legal system to deal with criminals. As a UK citizen my concerns are that the UK legal system deals adequately to protect citizens of the UK, how the Spanish legal system deals with criminals has no direct impact on myself or other UK citizens.

Although I watch very little TV, I would expect the reason why you see very few Black people on Road wars is because vehicle crime has been traditionally a white crime involving police chases. These people are on a joyride and get a buzz from being chased by the police, whereas foreign criminals stealing cars to strip for parts or export are careful not to draw attention to themselves.