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When watching the news last night this came on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/8419113.stm

In my opinion I don't see why they should worry about it. Its a bit obvious something is going to happen if you put needles in your body.

Keep them out of the hospital and let them die.

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Would you feel the same way if it was a member of your family who was hooked on heroin?

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agreed ,all my sympathy has gone ,i couldn't give a fig ,it's their own fault save the beds and money for the genuinely sick

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been there done that i find repeated slapping of idiot family members works quite well

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So you're happy for a family member to be kept out of hospital and left to die. Am I reading that right?

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Presumably you think the NHS should stop treating sickness caused by alcohol, poor diet and general indolence then?

Greater Glasgow Health Board would be rolling in cash if that were the case ...

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i spent and am still spending time on a certain family member who refuses to help herself ,it nearly cost the relationship between my wife and i so sorry no sympathy at all .I know it sounds cruel and heartless but some people refuse to be helped and the more help you give them the more they demand ...like i said my sympathy has been used up

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when i was teenager in the 70s i knew a few people on H. THEY ARE ALL DEAD
every one knows the consequences of addiction to opioids ,i'm not sure if you can actually help an addict successfully ,but i am sure you cant let anthrax get into the populous ,so quarantine and cold turkey is my suggestion .

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A lot of heroin users are going to die anyway. they waste away.

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They would be no member of family of mine.

Simple as that.

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Right.

2 weeks ago I lost a cousin to heroin abuse. You appear to have a different view but in my eyes family will always be family.

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I don't understand how the question

"wanna try some" comes up in a junkies conversation. I doubt a junkie would offer any.

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there is plenty of help out there for people who are addicts of any description if they refuse this help or don't use it then any consequencies are there problem
Money and rescources are very tight at the moment and addicts should be at the bottom of the list for any treatment .Would you be happy if you or a family member were denied treatment i.e hip replacement because money had to be diverted to save the life of a addict who in all probability will die anyway from overdose or related illness

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I am very sorry to hear that and sorry if I have offended you in any way.

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sorry to hear that Russ .

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I'm not looking for sympathy, just slightly more understanding. The stereotyped view of a herion junkie as desperate criminal with no cares in the world other than their own is outdated and wildly inaccurate.

There are many who are desperate to come off the stuff but don't have the ability to succeed on their own. The support should be there for anyone who needs it.

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I'm not sure how you would ever demonstrate such a black-and-white example of cause and effect like that.

As it happens, my mum has been riven with arthritis for years and has more artificial joints than a cyberman. She's in for another one next month. Despite the scare stories pushed by certain sections of the Press, I think our NHS works reasonably well and quite equitably.

I have a friend who had a heart attack a couple of years ago due in all likelihood to too much red meat and red wine. The bloke in the bed next to him most likely suffered his heart attack due to too many fish suppers. That's just Glasgow for you. But how do you decide who's worth treating and who isn't? One's a higher rate taxpayer, the other may well have drawn more dole than he's ever paid in tax. Is one worth saving based on contribution to society, and the other better off (for the rest of us) if allowed to die?

Similarly with drug addicts: everyone's story is different. You can't make decisions about people's lives based on blunt categories like 'drug user' or 'bad diet'. If you want to ration healthcare in that way you need to know a lot more about the individual, perhaps what they've done to try to help themselves. That in itself is a moral minefield, and a very good reason why we don't ration health in that way.

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Hey,

I have been affected by the desperate criminal junkie thats why I have the views I have.

But like you said many people try to come off heroin. That green stuff is not the answer anyway. I see them given that to each other and selling it.

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Then we have to include rapists/paedos/women beaters.

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local chemists are full of [locally we call them smack heads or scags]addicts getting their daily dose of methadone ,trouble is they allso put any other crap they can get hold of into their system ,imo if this is to be addressed properly addicts need to be taken into specialist units until they are free of dependency
and if the cure hurts then maybe they wont go down that avenue again .

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All very true but i'm afraid my own personal example has left me very jaded towards drug addicts hence the lack of sympathy .Having said that if i came across someone lying in the street in desperate need of medical attention i would not ask them first if they were a drug addict before phoning for a ambulance ....i'm not that bad ;)

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Are they phyically addicted?

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Is heroin a physical or mental addiction?

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Both

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the help is there Russ ,plenty of it,it's the ones who don't help themselves that i've no sympathy for .They disrupt the efforts of ones who genuinely do and use up valuable rescources which should go elswere
and yes you are absolutely correct about the outdated stereotype ,in my case my sister-in-law became addicted to speed then cocain ,drink you name it ,she was married 3 kids reasonable job ,reasonable house nothing flash just ordinary .
She ended up going into a state rehab clinic losing the kids ,living with us for 12months when she got kicked out of rehab then put back in rehab kicked out again ,rehoused courtesy of the state, fell pregnant again had that one removed by the father (whoever he was)more treatment (by this time i didn't care what)another kid ..and on it goes
sympathy ..not likely

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Now that's a response I can respect a little more rather than a complete "leave them die, it's their own fault" attitude.

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What else do you epxect us to say Russ?

I am very sorry someone put a belt round your arm and put a needle in it. It is obviously there own fault.

You don't take drugs if you dont want to. Nothing makes you take drugs unless you WANT to.

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On that basis I'm assuming anyone you know who gets cancer as a result of smoking should be denied treatment and allowed to die?

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Thats up to the government. Smokings legal.

And they cant say for sure it was the smoking that gave them it. Everything gives you cancer these days.

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Plus who steals for fags?

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Seriously, I really, really hope you never make a serious, stupid mistake in your life. It sounds as if you'd have real trouble living with yourself afterwards.

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Me making a mistake in life and taken drugs is a big difference.

Drugs are a massive massive no no. Don't know if any you guyz like them but I certainly don't.

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If you think all heroin addicts steal then you're even more clueless about this that I first imagined.

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I was brought up in a area full of them.

What junkie can afford to pay what ever it is for a few bags a day and manage to live but not steal or lie to get the money?

All junkies lie or steal.

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everything written here is wrong wrong wrong o so very wrong

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Wrong wrong wrong


my sister in law never stole a penny in her life she just didn't feed the kids or herself

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You seriously have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Sweeping generalisations might be easy for you but show such ignorance.

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So does everyone else. :shrug:

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So you are telling me if she had no money and no stuff she would not lie or steal to get it?

Yeah right. Maybe should would come straight out and ask I need smack so give me money. Looks like we all love junkies in this forum.

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And dont say to me you have no idea. You have no idea the past life I have had with drugs involved.

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she used to borrow of the local loan shark strangely the same bloke that sold the stuff


well if thats the case you know better

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I doubt any past involvement you may have had with drugs justifies the sweeping generalisations you've been making. Your personal experience is exactly what it says on the tin - personal, relating to you. It may or may not have relevance to anyone or everyone else. But you can't simply assume it does.

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how did your cousing fund their habit?

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Last I heard he was a roofer/scaffolder/builder type, working in construction as a hobble.

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Why do people put this **** into their bodies in the first place?
Live by the sword, Die by the sword.:)
What compells someone to inject/smoke something?
Deal with real life.
If you have a problem then sort it out, injecting or smoking drugs doesn`t make the problem go away!!!!!

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Personally I've tried a number of things that are illegal (I'm talking about illegal narcotics, not about things like rape, child abuse etc), as I wanted to be sure that if I gave an opinion I could atleast do so from the perspective of having tried it atleast once....

I know.... I'm weird. ;)

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was there an obvious trigger as to what sent him over the edge? obviously not knowing his private life but he seemed to have prospects as far as his career such a shame

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I tried loads of stuff because I was screwed up. :)

and some of them are very nice also lol

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I've known one or two heroin addicts who've managed to hold down full time jobs and fund their habit.

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Its truly sad how a few posters have such an outdated stereotypical image of any addict, addicts come from all stratas of society, rich or poor, intelligent or not there is no discrimination by addiction.
As regards methadone it is without doubt the best tool in the doctors armory in that it enables an addict to stabilize him/herself, once they have managed that it is then , maybe for the first time in years, that an addict genuinely has a choice as to how they proceed.
Of course this isn't enough for some people, like certain newspapers they want the person to suffer....its enough to make you sick the venom in some people.

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They chose to try it so why should they get help in coming off it??

As for the anthrax debate, inject them all it would save the NHS a fortune in free methadone, after care, money from the DHSS for being an addict to the tune of £120 a week. We'd all be better off without the dirty smack rats infecting our society.

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I dont really care much for skagheads, junkies etc. They choose that lifestyle, if they die they die. But thats my opinion as someone who has not had to deal with a junkie first hand (used to know a couple of junkies 20 years ago who are both dead now) But if it were a family member, would I have a different opinion? I dont know. Hopefully I'll never have to experience a family member hooked on heroin.

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Sadly too many are just parked on Methadone for years with no thought about how to remove their dependancy on Opiates. In fact most junkies I know, and thats a fair number, find it harder to come off Meth than Heroin and simply see it as a free hit and/or something to sell on to other users.