Children as young as four being radicalised ?
 

Children as young as four are being monitored by terror police who fear they could be brainwashed by Islamic extremists.

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and for those who cant read the mail
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6786...alisation.html

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from the mail

I dont give a toss who it alienates everything must be done to rid this country of any radical hate preaching element.They should not be allowed to live here full stop

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you would have thought any reasonable Muslim would want it all stamped out also wouldnt you

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Maybe they are just frightened zing?There is a lot of hate being directed at ALL Muslims and they feel under siege.Possibly like how those of Jewish faith felt during the time Oswald Mosley and his marches through the Jewish centres of the East end.

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Given this goes on in Palestine and associated areas this will happen here. Its an eminently sensible

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its sad that our society has to resort to these measures to keep us safe from an enemy within .
some people must know who these radicals are they just choose to say nothing ,and imo that makes them just as guilty as the idiots who blow up buses and trains etc .

who would have imagined anti -terror police monitoring infants ,this country just aint what it used to be, and by that i mean a safe place to live ,i think it was a better place when i was a child .

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Well as far as I am aware noone has gone as far as suicide bombings against them. Our troops are dying in God forsaken areas of the world because of Al Qaeda/ Taliban. Those who preach hatred want every none Muslim person needs to be put to the sword.

Maybe not Oswald Mosley but Enoch Powell certain imo had a point.

Maybe a lot of those who are Muslim haters are afraid too after all the violence committed by those of Muslim faith is by far and away a lot worse with far more dramatic circumstances than the none Muslim fanatics. I am afraid of what Islamic fundamentalist are capable of if given the chance because they wouldnt think twice about letting off a dirty bomb or releasing bio weaponry if they had the chance


I want all those who preach hatred and all those who attend meetings sent out of this country. I dont care if some of them are British Citizens the minute they decide to follow the fundamental path they imo forfeit the right to be British . Give them all a tent and fly them to Afghanistan and them reap the rewards of their heart

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This is a problem that the islamic community need to sort out and lets be clear there are those within that community that know exactly who are the one's causing a problem and they need to stand up and be counted. I understand the fundamentalists instill fear into all including ordinary muslims but if it is ever to stop and all muslims be allowed to live peacefully it has to be done.

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The trouble is the radical islamic community isolates itself so unless people stick their oar in, how would people know? Radicals won't use mainstream mosques or if they do will remain a tightly-knit faction within it.

Its the same looking at the non-islamic equivalent of radical islam - white nationalists. White kids that are bred to hate different races or religions won't associate with the liberal parts of society that, I would hope, inform on them if they suspect they resort to illegal actions.

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No, there was only the IRA... Who, lets not forget, have killed far more people in the UK than ANY muslim extremists...

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Al Queda killed 1000 more people in one day of terroist acts than the IRA did in the whole duration of the troubles...

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Not in this country..

And I don't see that alienating a section of our own society is going to help.. It hasn't worked in other countries, and didn't work in Northern Ireland..

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:clap::clap::clap::clap:

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pussy footing around is really helping to isnt it?

And there was a lot of British citizens in the twin towers also

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i don't want to alienate them[terrorists] i want to exterminate them ,so the rest of us can live in peace.

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I am not talking about the terrorists. I am talking about the innocent muslims who are starting to feel like they are being victimised by us.

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The IRA mostly confined its activity to N.I. & mainland U.K. It had a specific agenda & clear aims, to unite Ireland & get the Brits out. In my time I had the opportunity to speak face to face with Operational IRA members.

They considered themselves to be soldiers & had a clear objective as to what they wanted to achieve. Despite my hatred for some of these killers, others showed similar aims to my own, which was to protect my country & fellow citizens from foreign influence.

Al Queda is a global threat with no specific agenda or aim. It is an organisation which kills indiscriminately & without cause.

These are 2 different terrorist organisations with totally different objectives. I dont believe they can be compared with each other.

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define us

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It is not unusual for 3rd world people & children to be "brainwashed" with radical ideas. They have no life, no purpose, not much at all, anything which promises a better life is held dear to them.

However, in this country, where freedom is everyones right, these freedoms are being taken away by parents who "force" their kids to attend religious meetings. Clerics, who preach "3rd world ideals", & their own brand of "religion", sometimes, the religion of the radical.

This is why its important for all immigrants, all nationalities, to swear allegiance to the U.K. to speak English, & to learn British history. Learning the ways of the 3rd world peasant, & their restraints, is not enhancing this country's heritage & culture. Its just breeding more 3rd world morons who look toward terror organisations to further their "Doctrine".

Religion should not be forced on children. let them play for heavens sake, childhood doesn't last that long.

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Thanks, but no thanks.

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no offense but your happy to live here and work here so why is that idea so distasteful?

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I don't see the point. I wouldn't be too keen on swearing allegiance to my home country either. Sounds like pointless patriotic posturing to me.

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Ok that I can accept but what about the rest?

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i do tend to agree that a oath of allegience is a bit pointless I mean anyone capable of blowing up a bus at rush hour isn't going to think twice about a promise he made to the country he hates .But as far as as learning our history and language ,yes they should be made to learn them

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Or any indigenous UK language ;)

It depends on what you mean by 'forced'. I fully agree that it can be destructive without good leadership and fellowship. There's nothing wrong with bringing a child up in a certain faith as long as respect for all beliefs, cultures and ways of life is taught as paramount. Bringing a child up in one particular faith does not mean 'slagging off' the others (including atheism if you consider it a faith).

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Probably not through lack of trying......

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I speak English (better than some Brits). I don't make an active attempt to learn about British history, but I do take an interest in my surroundings. I think I'm doing all right :)

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world cup 1966 that's covered the important bit.

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LOL.

In all seriousness though as an immigrant, I work with and meet and a lot of English born and bred white people who know very little of their own country's history. Why should it be important for immigrants to know England's history when a lot of English people don't know their own country's history.

I bet not many kids now know anything about Cromwell, 1066, Henry 8th etc etc and Im talking about non immigrants.

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That, and the raid on the Medway ;)

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WELL SAID. I don't see why there should be an emphasis on immigrants having to know this country's history. I have no interest in history, yet I probably know more about it than quite a few english people I have come across.

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If that's the case, why do we need to do stuff like this? We are clearly doing fine without it..

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don't unpack your suitcase :)

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Ah, the great unprovable statement........;)

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they should know its written Henry VIII hehehehehe I'll get my coat lol

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To keep doing 'fine'? To stop minds being destroyed by radicalisation before they have hardly started being used?

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As is yours ;)

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My point is that because we are treating people differently based (in some cases) on their religion, IMO, we run the risk of alienating MORE people. This is something that the extremists already here could capitalise on, and ultimately convert more people into terrorists.

That, to me, seems to be a monumentally stupid way of doing things.

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This is very ironic considering most of the "3rd world" have been "brainwashed" by "radical ideas" many refer to today as Christianity. If there's such a thing as a "3rd world ideal", it's influenced by Christianity as much as anything else, if not more so.

It's also ironic that you preach freedom of speech in the same breath as suggesting all immigrants should swear allegiance, speak English and learn British history. Is this straight from the GWB school of logic?

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Daily Mail propaganda.....awesome!

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was in the Telegraph too

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It's still propaganda. Why is it always a story about Muslim radicals? Where are the stories everyday of the extreme Jewish settlers in Israel? The fundamentalist Christians of the world?

All this does is stir up anger towards Islam, and most people don't know enough about the faith to realise they're not all crazy. Muslims are bashed in the media every single day and it needs to stop.

And just for the record, i'm not religious.

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no but enough of them are ;) feel free to enlighten us with your wisdom

Muslim bashing has to stop but what really has to stop is the bad element that preaches Jihad

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OK, Thats an interesting point of view. Have you tried to tell a Muslim Radical that?





Nope, its straight from the GoB of SMG.

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Excellent post Saaf, but I would suggest that its quite likely that people below the age of 25 in the UK haven't been taught the same History Lessons in school that I was taught.... I will admit that what I'm about to say is a wild stab in the dark, but I expect that over the last 15 or so years the amount of British History covered in history lessons is way less than I covered in secondary school. Perhaps someone can confirm this ?

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Two excellent posts. Both spot on.

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The point SB makes reminds me of a topic I'm always open to discussing yet I never seem to get a legitimate answer to (maybe I'm asking the wrong people?).

I accept Islam is a peaceful faith - and other religions have pondlife amongst their ranks - but what is it about Islam that *seems* to attract the biggest nutters?

Granted they are the absolute minority but it *seems* the majority of suicide bombers and those more in favour of violence to achieve their aims are Muslim (yes I know about the Crusades, an unforgivable time in Christianity, however I'm talking about 'now'). I've always wondered what it is that develops the sort of mentality you don't seem to find so much in the other faiths.

Or is it all down to selective reporting?

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Good question Russ, whilst I'm sure there are a plethora of reasons for radicalizing certain elements of the Muslim community one which seems to rear its head continually is a sense of "victimhood".
I've seen programs where ex-radical Muslims tell of storys being banged into their heads about atrocities being committed against them in places like Chechnya and Palestine.
Obviously we are all aware that Chechnya has been a dirty brutal war, there is no denying that, but it needs leaders of these mosques to quash this overriding false sense of victimhood.

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maybe its the rewards of martyrdom that attract this pond life ,when your god promises paradise etc what do you have to loose ?

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But they will be disappointed when they get there, and find 72 raisins......

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Perhaps it's more to do with differences in wealth rather than the religion?

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in the midlands ?

West Midlands counter-terrorism police e-mailed community groups suggesting children could be targets for terrorist recruiters.

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I meant the rise of radical Islam in general, not so much how and where it's spreading.

I don't think you can detach it from wider developments, like the Palestinian issue for example.

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The rise of Radical Islamics has been allowed to progress by a rotten system, which panders to the foreigner. Instead of enforcing the law, it has allowed the situation to get out of hand.

We now have a country with a large foreign population, some of whom are ready to abuse our hospitality, & use our good will against us. We give refuge to known criminals, terrorist sympathisers, & other undesirables, again, some of whom who use Asylum as an excuse to enter.

We have a Government, which is too frightened, to actively take measures to curb it. The end result is we now offer subsidies & grants, to schools which have terrorist members as teachers.

We are actually paying our tax money, to recruit people to kill us.

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You'll find most are home-grown so there's no need to use this to have a go at foreigners.

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at what point do we stop asking who are the radical sympathizers and ask who in these communities is not a sympathizer ,as it seems to be on the increase, and i don't see many "peaceful" muslims protesting against radicals.
are they all closet radicals or all afraid ?

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So what do we do? Nothing? :(

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Bit of both.
I had a receptionist who is a moderate muslim, she went to her imam to report a man who had been making radical statements and was told by the imam that a 'good muslim doesn't inform on a brother'


It's probably along the lines of how the catholics and their priesthood treated paedophile priests for all those years.....hush it up and deny it.....

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I`m not "having a go at foreigners". I am stating, what I believe to be fact m8.

We now have a country with a large foreign population, some of whom are ready to abuse our hospitality, & use our good will against us. We give refuge to known criminals, terrorist sympathisers, & other undesirables, again, some of whom who use Asylum as an excuse to enter.

My statement is factual & impartial. I am not implying "All Foreigners" are rotten, only some of them. In my area alone over the past 2 years we have had a mass murderer, wanted for genocide, claiming asylum, terrorists by the bushel, all perpetrated by people who have come to this country seeking a new life.

There are obviously British nationals who fall into this category, but, regarding radicalisation, in my experience, they are virtually all Muslims, who have, in the past, moved to Britain & become British citizens.

As has been said, so many times, Muslims should distance themselves from these morons, openly condemn them, inform the authorities whenever they have information regarding terrorist activities. In other words, start looking out for the country that supports them, & not the dump they left.

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Or female :D

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What is there to do? :erm:

Until the government decide to actually decide to do something (Worthwhile) to stop this it will carry on.

I'm not saying they are doing nothing, but the things they are looking at, are the wrong things.

I'm not against Muslims at all, in fact, I know quite a few (from work) and the ones I know are all friendly..

I agree something should be done, but what that is, I have no idea. :erm:

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Unfortunately it's a problem all over the world, but especially in poor third world countries. That is being made worse by hardline wahibi teachings in islamic schools payed for in part (or in whole) by Saudi oil money. Along with imam's from all over the world being trained in Saudi to then spread their puritanical version of islam to the young, and impressionable....

This issue has been a hot topic of debate on another forum I'm a member of, and is cause for concern....

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Not suggesting that at all.. Education would be a good start.
Now, that is something that needs to be stamped out. Not just when muslims do it. There is a strong idea in this country that it is bad to "grass" on people, which I don't actually think is good for society..